Baby Squared

No means no -- usually.

I'm finding that one of the toughest parts about parenting nearly-two-year-olds is deciding when and when not to let them have their way, and how to maintain some semblance of consistency while also being flexible. Obviously, in some cases, there's no room for negotiation: no, you can't go outside without a jacket; no, you can't play with that steak knife; no, you can't borrow the car.

 

But so much of the time it's a judgement call. Last night, for example, I made the girls a nutritious and colorful dinner of veggie burger, sweet potato fries and green beans -- all foods that they generally like. I gave them ketchup for dipping, too. (It's a vegetable!) But they wouldn't eat any of it. (Well, Elsa ate some of the ketchup.) Then Clio started asking for applesauce. Elsa, of course, joined in. (Which is frustrating because I think, given time, she might have actually eaten her dinner.)

 

I tried the whole "you can have applesauce if you eat one bite of veggie burger and one bean" approach, but I honestly don't think the girls quite grasp the logic of delayed gratification yet. In the end, after much whining (from both them and me) I folded and gave them applesauce. They both ate, like, two giant bowls of it. So they were obviously hungry. But not for veggie burger, beans and sweet potato fries with ketchup. (Note: I also tried getting them to dip their sweet potato fries, etc. in the applesauce, but they just licked it off. Foiled!)

 

Did I do the wrong thing? Should I have refused to give in? Sent them to bed, then served them their untouched dinners the next morning, cold, a la Mommie Dearest? Or are you supposed to not worry too much about what your kids at this age eat at any one meal, as long as they get some protein, vitamins and fiber in over the course of the day?

 

Another dilemma: to pick up, or not to pick up? For the past few weeks, Clio has been constantly wanting to be held. And she's rarely content to simply sit on a lap -- she wants you to pick her up and stand or walk around with her, and will cry and whine until you do. Believe me, I love holding my girls in my arms, and love that they take comfort in being close to me. But you can only carry a hefty, applesauce-fed toddler around for so long. Then there's the problem of the second toddler getting jealous and wanting to be picked up, too -- something I can no longer physically do without endangering all three of us. 

 
So,what to do? Do I pick Clio up whenever she wants me to, as long as it's logistically possible, or is it OK to set some limits? As in, "mommy is eating her lunch right now, so she can't pick you up, but when she's finished, she will." (As if saying stuff like that actually works.) Or, more realistically, "Mommy has been carrying you around for the past ten minutes and though she's not quite sure what a hernia is, she suspects she may be in danger of getting one unless she puts you down RIGHT NOW."

 

My ever-wise husband thinks that our approach, in general, should be not to be too quick to say no (choose our battles, in other words) but to stick to our guns once we decide to say it. I tend to agree, though it's obviously much easier said than done. The whining and screaming of my children frequently drowns out the calm, rational voice inside my head that's telling me to stand firm.

 

I can just imagine it, years from now: Clio and Elsa telling their therapists how sometimes I would let them have two cookies, and other times I only let them have one. Sometimes we would play the "Banana Phone" song over and over again, per their request, and sometimes we'd tell them to sit tight and just listen to the rest of the CD.  "How were we supposed to establish a sense of self when the sands beneath our feet were so constantly and relentlessly shifting? How could we learn to trust or respect anyone when we couldn't even trust whether or not we were going to get a second Fig Newton?"

 

To future Elsa and Clio (and their therapist), once again: I apologize.

 


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Comments

 

Jen said:

Hmm - the Mommy Dearest approach always works for me (wink)!

December 8, 2008 2:37 PM
 

karmamama said:

Oh, I hear you! We're at the same phase. I try to head it off at the pass by offering at least one food (read: fruit) that I KNOW she'll eat. Usually, once she gets going, she'll continue on to the other items on her plate. But I figure she's not going to starve, right? Good luck!

December 8, 2008 2:41 PM
 

Lori said:

Child of Mine is a fabulous book on a child's food psychology.  Set it out, if they eat it great, if they don't, that's ok too.  They will learn to eat what they need over the course of the week if you set out nutritious, balanced food at every meal.

As far as the whining and "Up, Mama" goes, I'm right there with ya, sistah!  You should see Dariush and Arianna (21 months) clamor over Daddy when he puts the baby (4 months) in the Bjorn!

December 8, 2008 3:28 PM
 

BeAGoodDad said:

We just make sure they try everything before they can have seconds of anything or dessert.  If they don't want to, that's fine.

Sometimes we forget and either cave or demand they eat stuff for no reason.

They did just get banned from French fries until they learn that it is okay to try other forms of potatoes (like baked or mashed) without whining for an hour and making funny faces.

December 8, 2008 3:50 PM
 

Danielle said:

I soooo hear you on the picking up thing. I try explain why I can't pick up one or both of my 2 1/4 year olds at any given time, but it rarely works. One thing that has started working, is saying, as I'm holding one or both, "WOW, you are heavy! Can you walk for Mommy?"  Somehow that makes them want to get down. Go figure. They often respond with, "My heavy. My walk."

December 8, 2008 4:13 PM
 

slydog said:

I'm with you on this--it is so hard!  We follow the same genreal rule that your husband advocates:  stop, think if it matters, then make a decision we can (reasonably) stick to.  I think the sticking to it is the important thing, otherwise they learn that they can cry and whine their way to get anything.  Of course, that's also the hard part!Sometimes I know I'm not going to have the energy to stick to it and so I give in right away (like having a cookie at 8:30 am--he ate a good breakfast!).  It saves a lot of hassle.

Oh and on food--my ped (and several other sources I've seen) say that it's not a meal or a day that you should look at, but the general nutrition they are getting over the course of a week or so.  Makes me much less crazy to view it that way.  I also give Chicken what he wants if he expresses a strong preference, since I realize that sometimes I really have crvings too.  When he specifically asks for O's and milk for dinner, I think it's okay to give it to him (but needs to be generally good for him--no candy for dinner).  Why can't he have cravings/desires just like me?  They are little people after all, even if they can't express everything yet.

But of course, moderation in everything.  That is really my guiding principle for parenting.  Except love and kisses--those come in unlimited amounts!

December 8, 2008 4:16 PM
 

EG said:

I fret over this occasionally, too.  Little Man definitely doesn't understand "If you finish your chicken..." logic.  I just try to give him good options and figure it'll all work out somehow.  And try to not let him overdoit on crackers.  That'll be our downfall.

Mmmmm, sweet potato fries.

I like your hubby's philosophy.

December 8, 2008 4:23 PM
 

BabyJokey said:

When I'm having trouble with one kid's [bad] behavior affecting the other kid's better habits, I try to remember to praise the one that's not doing the bad behavior for whatever they're doing.  So if you're forced to hold one, while you're doing it, constantly lavish praise on the other for whatever they're doing (that's not being asked to be or being held).  So even though you're accommodating the finicky one, the other one is getting all the positive attention.  Works sometimes, but it's yet another trick in the roster when you're grasping at straws.

December 8, 2008 5:26 PM
 

lla.ma. said:

i hide things in the applesauce like rice cereal or cheerios.

then its TWO food groups and my work is done.

December 8, 2008 6:07 PM
 

Rachel said:

I like A's philosophy of choosing your battles, and then sticking to the decision you make.  That's generally what we do, but it is definitely hard.  Sometimes I don't choose well and end up sticking to a decision about something that really doesn't matter, causing upset for little reason.  

As they get older they understand consequences better, but it's still hard.  In fact, just this evening at dinner, Evie was playing with her soy bologna (putting it on her forehead, wrapping it around her wrist, etc.) and I told her I would take it away if she kept playing with it.  She stopped for a minute and then started playing with it again, so I kept my word and took it away.  She burst into tears.  When I asked her if she knew why I took it away, she said yes, and when I asked why she was so upset, she said "I'm just upset at ME because I forgot!"  I realized that she had gotten the message, so I gave it back to her since she was still hungry.

As for food, I agree with one of the previous posts that what matters is nutrition over the course of a week, not a day or a single meal.  As mom to one of the pickiest eaters on earth, I take great comfort in this and just try to vary things over the week.

December 8, 2008 7:44 PM
 

April said:

Yeah I don't stress if they don't eat anything. I know they won't let themselves starve or get malnourished.  If they don't eat their meal they don't get anything else. They go off hungry if need be. I hate to cook and they were honestly lucky to get the first meal I am not cooking them another one. Don't stress it because if you do it will become a battle of wills.

December 8, 2008 9:48 PM
 

camamma said:

So nice to read the blog and posts! My 20 month old, previously a stellar eater, has become finicky in the past month. I have been stressing, as she is simultaneously getting leaner as she becomes a more confident walker/runner. We have one go to food- pasta with tomato sauce, but swore we would not become 'white food' parents. So we try to do one night something challenging (lentil soup, veggie risotto) and the next night a home run or pasta with some veggie or beans mixed in.

December 9, 2008 8:07 AM
 

Melissa said:

It's really hard to figure out when the true discipline should begin.  On one hand, they are two year olds, and this kind of behavior is normal.  On the other hand, that doesn't mean it's acceptable behavior and they have to start learning that...  When Michael refuses food (which is not often) I usually take it away, bring something else and when he starts eating that, bring the other food back.  A lot of times, he'll eat the first food as well.

December 9, 2008 9:23 AM
 

betty said:

i still feed my 2-year-old twins their breakfast. and i feel a little mommy dearest about it. but it's organic flax oatmeal with a little yogurt and a little applesauce. they are ok with spoons. but this way i know they are getting some level of nutrition if (when) all my other meal plans for the day backfire.

December 9, 2008 3:13 PM
 

chochomom said:

My son eats like a horse one day and barely a morsal the next. I feel your pain. And I don't know how you do it with carring two toddlers around. My baby elephant demands to be carried too, and he has figured out that requesting for hugs is far more effective then requesting carry. I give him a little rub and sing or redirect his attention to something else. But of course this doesn't work all the time, no wonder you're so skinny.

December 9, 2008 9:06 PM
 

SER said:

I am having the same damned applesauce issue.  All S. wants to eat is applesauce (or, as he calls it, 'happlesah').  For a few days, he was kind of ill, so I let him have the applesauce if he wouldn't eat anything else.  But I have now put my foot down that applesauce is only for snacking on at the park, and only once a day.  So ha!  How's that for inconsistency?

December 9, 2008 10:49 PM
 

Chantal said:

I take the following approach with my 20 month old girls:

1 - Food is not a battle I'm willing to fight.  At this point, I don't think negociating with them will do much good.  I present good supper choices and good desert choices and whatever goes down I'm happy.   At around 2.5 to 3 years old we will instill some kind of rule of 'eating vegetables to get desert' but I'll worry about it later.   I think making meals a happy moment in their day is the skill I want them to learn.   I still control the situation by offering good choices.  Also, use tricks like adding a little bit of purred carrots in applesauce (they don't know that they are eating veggies too).

2 - One of my girls wants to get picked up all the time too.  At this stage, I always use the same word when I want them to be patient in any situation.  I don't need to go into an explanation why she can't be picked up or why she can't have a glass of water now.  If I say 'attend' she knows to be patient.  Their attention span of a hamster helps too: she will sometimes move on to another activity while she's waiting.  There are still tears but it's starting to work.

December 10, 2008 9:10 AM
 

Holly Stephens said:

Very interesting topics!

1. Definitely the food issue also drives me nuts, esp. the longer I have spent preparing the then-rejected food. One thing we've tried that works maybe half the time is, say Coby (22 mo.) wants raisins (or O's or other small, discrete item) but won't eat something like yogurt or applesauce or veggies (we still do Gerber b/c Olen & I mostly eat our veggies raw, which he joins us in but not at the quantity that seems nutritionally reasonable). So we say, "One (raisin, etc.) on the tray, one on the spoon (on top of the less-desirable food). Then he gets what he wants (raisins) and we also get him to eat the other food.

2. Ah, the "Mommy hold you?" issue. A problem with twins, and a problem (rather, I foresee it becoming a problem soon) when one is pregnant! I often just say, "Can we hold hands instead?" or "No, I need you to walk on your own power now." But if he insists, I will say, "I'll carry you to that tree, and then you'll walk on your own power, okay?" He'll say "Okay," and then he usually happily walks on his own power when we get to the tree. If he protests, I remind him that that's what we agreed upon. This strategy has been pretty successful... maybe the art of compromise appeals even to toddlers?

3. On consistency: I feel that _I_ know when my "no means no," like the jacket/hat outside thing. But there are many more times when I'll say no without thinking, and then when he persists I'll realize that I really could say yes, or compromise, and then I do. So he may have no idea which issues are hard and fast no's and which have wiggle room. (And I also wonder: is that bad?) Or maybe he does know, sort of, somehow, b/c he rarely pushes hard against my "hard and fasts." I guess my thinking (which may not be ideal) is that the more reasonable I can be, even if it means flip-flopping from my initial response of "no," the more he will respect reasonable decisions he _doesn't_ like. At least, I guess that's what I wish my parents had done with me. (And I do think that in some convoluted, possibly subconscious manner, even toddlers sense when a decision is reasonable or arbitrary.)

December 10, 2008 1:00 PM
 

Noell said:

I definitely need to stop and think about saying no before I say it. Sometimes with my older son, I say no, and he continues to mope and whine about it so much that I am left wondering why I said no in the first place. Then I can't change my mind because he is moped and whined so much about it. I firmly believe in your child eating everything the family does. It just works out better in the long run. Once you cave and start making them their own meals it is over. I am not talking about the occasional applesauce though. It will get a little easier to reason with your girls once they understand if they want dessert they have to finish their food. It works wonders with my 5 yr. old. My 16 month old eats as if we are going to take the food away from him at any minute. He also continues to ask for more food, when I know he has to be full. I love the part about the therapy...I think about stuff like that too!

December 10, 2008 2:06 PM
 

Bambi said:

I have twin girls also, 20 months old.  I can't get them to eat any veggies at this point and sometimes they won't even eat stuff they have eaten 2 days before.  I try not to be a short order cook, but I give in way to often.

Good luck!

December 12, 2008 7:57 PM
 

leahsmom said:

I read a book called Picking Your Battles that I thought was really smart - I think it helped me figure out how to decide where I want to stay firm and where I want to give in, though I still struggle with it of course! (Here's the link: www.pickingyourbattles.com)  

I just let them eat what they eat, pretty much, right now.  I remember my pediatrician saying - 'look, you can get out the garden hose and force stuff, or you can just let them eat what they ask for in this situation - little kids are too young to have gotten all messed up about food, and so their bodies still know what they want to eat, and tell them.  So don't be worried about their nutrition - they'll get what they need.'

December 18, 2008 10:02 AM

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