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Formula Vs. the Almighty Breast

Little does a typical father know about the raging debate amongst our motherly counterparts.  Not until recently when our favorite baby formula got pulled from the shelves did I understand how serious the breast vs. formula discussion has become.  When I mentioned in the last entry that we used formula some responded that they were surprised we'd made this choice.  And then my wife admitted she felt guilt about it.  And then someone lept to her defense, and then another mom told a moving story about how her baby couldn't swallow so well so they were forced to use formula but she was ashamed and then a college classmate whom I hadn't heard from in years, or actually ever, wrote in to put in her two cents, and now she's a famous writer!  So this debate must mean something. 

 


 

I think Maggie and I might represent your typical organic leaning earthhippy parents.  Or at least we know where those desires come from.  We use cloth diapers, avoid plastics, no tv, pestide free, etc.  And we were happy when it was possible for Elsie to breastfeed (I heard on "Lovline" (awesome radio show) that nearly 50% of mothers can't do it, true?).  But we were also pretty happy when Elsie began taking to the bottle.  Then Maggie wasn't so teathered to the baby and when Elsie started taking formula a new sense of freedom entered our home.  We'd heard that Elsie might get sick when she stopped breastfeeding, but she's been okay.  Maggie just kind of tapered off the pumping and eventually the breast became less appealing to Elsie.  And more appealig to me!   Anyway, it seemed a pretty natural process.  Hippy that I am, I still think breastfeeding past the point when the kid begins to walk and talk isn't necessary.  It even seems a little weird to me, if you want to know the truth.  Us dad's want those boobs back at some point.  They were only out on loan, remember that kiddos.

 

 

 

Anyway, I think there should be no shame in formula using.  Here's a link to very informative article by Organic Pregancy celebrity Dierdre Dolan about the various formula's available on the market.  She breaks it all down for us.  And she points out another good reason many moms stop breastfeeding: they get pregnant!  Watch out, it could happen to you too, if you're not careful.  Happy Holidays from the Diaper Bandits!


Comments

 

Miranda said:

Actually 99.9% of women can breastfeed, when properly supported.  We are mammals afterall.  Before formula any babies whose mothers couldn't breastfeed them would have starved, so saying 50% of women can't do it is obviously nonsense.  

Secondly, the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding babies for a MINIMUM of two years, which is way past when they start walking and talking.  This is for health benefits for mother and baby as well as cognitive benefits.  

Breasts are not primarely for men.  They are primarely for feeding babies.  Men in western cultures enjoying them sexually, but in many other cultures they have only one purpose - their God-given one - to feed babies.  

You are an idiot.

December 20, 2007 2:09 PM
 

Chris said:

I don't know about babies starving to death.  Typically, and of course this generalizes, um, EVERYTHING, but another lactating woman, sister, whatever, would/could act as a wet-nurse.

In the end, whatever it takes to get everyone to eat, sleep and be merry is the best solution.

(can we NOT confuse posessives with plurals when using apostrophes?  Just sayin'.)

Happy Holidays, etc.!

December 20, 2007 2:58 PM
 

Jaime said:

I generally enjoy your gentle goofiness, but have to agree with Miranda on this one.  It's certainly your right to feed your baby in whatever way works best for your family, but publishing incorrect health data to back up your personal decision is irresponsible.  And I can only imagine the misogynistic flourish at the end there was meant to be provocative, not entirely serious?  Please?

December 20, 2007 3:07 PM
 

Sebastian Bach said:

I think you are really trying to milk--no pun intended--this topic, Diaper Bandit, in order to get your numbers up.  But Steve Almond is going to eat your lunch every time, because he knows what sizzles.  Furthermore, I think you wrote that "Miranda" comment to try to start some friction.  And yes, your grammar is atrocious.  Just sayin' indeed.

It all reminds me of  a song of ours, entitled "Big Guns"; you might be familiar with it:

She was a ballerina on a subway train

Stiletto heels and a candy cane

Looked like a number on a station wall

Hot on the tail of a social call

I wet my lips I thought I had it made

Like Valentino with a hand grenade

I made my move with my libido on

She circled once and then she dropped the bomb

She got the big guns

Pointed at my heart

Bang bang shooting like a firing squad

Big guns

Blew me away

And I went down in flames

December 20, 2007 3:10 PM
 

MamaT said:

Dang it, I had such a nice response and my computer ate it.  Here's the gist: breastfeeding is the biological norm, the standard of infant nutrition, and formula is inferior.  Formula is simply not as good for babies.  Formula/lack of breastmilk puts baby at higher risk for: SIDS, frequent infections, a wealth of digestive problems (some deadly) diabetes, obesity, speech/dental problems - just to name a few!  Formula fed infants are significantly less likely to survive the first year than their breastfed counterparts. There is also the issue of contamination.  

Misconceptions, myths, and outright lies abound!  We can all thank the multi-billion dollar formula industry for that. Their marketing methods make certain that people believe formula is just as good, their kid will be "fine," and a lot of mothers just can't breastfeed (your stat was wrong, as the above have pointed out).

What's lovely is that if you share information or lament the lack of breastfeeding support and education, then you're a "nazi," an "elitist," and can't accept "well, at least my child is being fed."  It's turned into this mom vs. mom thing and the formula companies are winning (cha-ching!), but it's the babies that are losing.

Breastfeeding until at least 2 years is the most beneficial, as this provides the best immunity protection and nutrition.

I was pretty surprised that a self-described hippy would choose something so environmentally un-friendly as formula feeding, honestly.  And let's not even get into what the formula companies (mainly Nestle) do in the developing countries - it's sick.

If my web browser let me cut and paste, I would link you to some great info.  But please take a look at www.kellymom.com, www.llli.org,  www.babymilkaction.org.  And should you be adding a sibling to your gorgeous family, I highly recommend that ya'll read The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding (LLL), The Breastfeeding Book (Sears), So That's What They're There For, and anything by Jack Newman.

p.s.  You can breastfeed when you're pregnant.  Not you personally, of coarse I mean a lactating woman.  But unless she is on "pelvic rest" she can breastfeed (if you can have an orgasm, you can breastfeed!).  Best to wait until one year post-partum, as the milk does change and not all babes like the new taste, but it is very much possible.  

December 20, 2007 3:42 PM
 

artb said:

Yes, I'm sorry that my goofiness crossed the line there.  My point was, I guess, that many of us, especially men, don't have a handle on the passions involved in this debate, and I think many other dads share my ignorance on this one.  We're willing to learn though, just so long as everyone's friendly about it!  Oh yeah, sorry about the poor grammar too.  I didn't get enough breast milk as a kid.

December 20, 2007 4:07 PM
 

AnneAC said:

Breast is best and as the debate will roll on, sometimes the are impediments to people being able to breastfeed 100% of the time. In those cases, choosing an organic formula, in my opinion is a better alternative than run of the mill formula's.

I think maybe the 50% stat was not that those women "can't" breastfeed, but rather they do not have the proper support system to encourage breastfeeding. Or maybe they just don't  try hard enough, regardless it's their choice. In many cases women can breastfeed part of the time. Like the Bandit's wife I could pump and pump and pump until the end of time with my super-hospital grade pump and NOTHING would come out. I tried envisioning the baby, looking at his picture, etc...and it just wouldn't do. So the baby had to hit the bottle once or twice a day when I wasn't around him. The rest of the time I breastfed him. That happens.  

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that women have enough guilt in their lives whether you breastfeed, use formula, work, stay at home, whatever...Oh, and it may have been misogynist to say you miss the fun goodness of your wife's boobies, but I bet she appreciates that you STILL appreciate her body.

December 20, 2007 5:07 PM
 

Maggie said:

I want to know how many mothers who work full-time breastfeed their children until they are two.  I personally do not know any mothers who are breast-feeding past 1 year who hold full-time jobs.  In fact I don't know any full-time working mothers who breastfeed exclusively once their maternity leaves are over.  Breast-feeding advocates are a little like right-to-lifers -- they don't really take into account real-life issues such as how do you continue to breastfeed when you are at work for 12 or more hours a day, 5 or more days a week?  I was an advocate of breast-feeding (and still am) but the reality of working put things in perspective for me.  Perhaps Miranda and MamaT can try working full-time and then see if they can exclusively breastfeed for 2 years.  

December 20, 2007 5:09 PM
 

Anne said:

I agree wholeheartedly with Jaime and MamaT.  It's unfortunately that so many folks assume that formula is interchangeable with breastmilk-- no harm, no foul, right?  Contrary to Maggie's assertion that breastfeeding advocates do not know the barriers that "real life" presents, I believe that if you know and understand the benefits of breastfeeding, you will make the extra effort.  I work 10 hours a days, 5 days a week and my 7 month old daughter has never had formula.  It is a big hassle with pumps, bottles, ice packs etc., but I do it because I know it's what's best for her.  I'm not going to say that people who give their children formula are derelict in their parental duties, but we should not always take the path of least resistence.  Another interesting and inspiring book to check out by LLLI is "Hirkani's Daughters-- Women Who Scale Modern Mountains to Combine Breastfeeding and Working."  It's really a matter of weighing the benefits against the relatively minor hassles.  My daughter will only be a baby for a very short period of time, and giving her every advantage is worth the investment.  

December 20, 2007 6:15 PM
 

Moira said:

Anne, I urge you to read "On the Job, Nursing Mothers Find a 2-  Class System", an article in the New York Times discussing the challenges non-white collar working women face in trying to breastfeed while working.  And kudos to the great job you are doing pumping while working.  That's great.

December 20, 2007 6:36 PM
 

Ewokmama said:

Diaper Bandit, yes this is a heated topic, possibly even more so among environmentalists.  From an environmental perspective, it makes more sense to feed a child something that the body produces specifically for them rather than an elixir that mimics that same thing.  There is a lot of packaging that comes with formula, as well, that has to go somewhere.  I am not knocking your family's choice, just adding a little perspective.

The 50% statistic is not correct - that would more likely be the number that STOP breastfeeding (usually by 6 months), not the number that CAN'T.  Stats can be found here (but vary by state):

www.kellymom.com/.../bf-numbers.html

For Maggie - I am a full time working mother (40 hours a week, plus 1.5 hours commute every day) and my son is breastfed and does not receive formula.  I have been pumping for over 15 months now (returned to work at 6 weeks post partum).  In addition, I share the pump room at work with five other women (I am not an anomally).

December 20, 2007 6:38 PM
 

MamaT said:

Maggie: I do work full time.  And not some job where I can get breaks whenever I want.  As an ER nurse and a paramedic.  My kiddo is almost 9 months and never has had a drop of formula.  It's a pain to stockpile milk during my off days, and it's a pain to pump at work, but it's so worth it. He nurses frequently, and we co-sleep, which helps to maintain supply.  We're planning on child-led weaning, and hoping that it doesn't happen until after 2 years.

But I do agree that a lot needs to be done to make changes in the workplace to make it better for mothers to breastfeed.  Because, in reality - me taking 15 minutes to pump means that my child will be healthier, and I'll have less sick days and will use my health insurance less.

My overall point is that instead of just shrugging, saying "oh well" and busting out the formula, our energies would be  better spent on getting the education out there and making it more possible for moms to breastfeed.  

ArtB:  I get your point!  I'm just really passionate about breastfeeding, and use every opportunity to promote it and dispell myths.  You're totally right, though, Dad's can be blissfully oblivious!  :)  But I really encourage you to learn more, because the more knowledge you have the more support you can give to your wife.  We understand about the grammar - haha.

December 20, 2007 7:03 PM
 

Tina said:

You know, I didn't even know people breastfed until a few years ago. Seriously. It was only until my husband's family had kids. My WHOLE family was formula-fed. And we came out fine. No childhood sicknesses. No adult illnesses. I honestly don't understand the debate. You do what you want, and everyone else does what they want. Why why WHY the hate? Mind your own business!

Go Diaper Bandits!

December 20, 2007 7:33 PM
 

john "billy goat" anderson said:

Happy holidays, haters!

December 20, 2007 7:45 PM
 

Dwtintx said:

Maggie's story is so familiar to me, though I couldn't stick it out as long as 10 months- I had to stop pumping at 6 months.  My daughter stopped nursing from me at 3 months as soon as I went back to work- she found the bottle easier to take, so she wouldn't nurse from me in the mornings and evenings as I had planned.  I pumped up to eight times during the day as I worked 10 hours a day on average, but I could never make enough milk for her entire needs once she stopped nursing.  I tried EVERYTHING- guzzling water like it was no tomorrow, fenugreek, pumping the 8 or so times a day plus once in the morning before work and once when I got home, and nothing worked to boost my production.  That also became a serious drag on my productivity at work, to the point where my co-workers were commenting on it.

So yeah, I stopped after three months of that, because I was fighting a losing battle (my supply was decreasing incrementally, no matter what I did), because I was just plain tired of pumping, because I was fighting being a working mom in a man's industry anyway, so reduced productivity due to pumping was even more reason for my bosses to think I was less effective, and I ws so stressed by the whole thing I could not stand it.

I'm not going to debate statistics, though I suspect formula feeding, at least in this country, isn't quite as dire as others here make it out to be.  I suspect those same others here would say I just didn't try hard enough, or took the path of least resistance, because I chose to get a full night's sleep instead of wake up in the middle of the night to pump after my daughter didn't need the nighttime feedings.  Because, you know, if I had been really committed to keeping my supply up, I would have set the alarm for midnight and 3 a.m., or 11, 1 and 3, or something like that, despite working all day every day.  If someone wants to judge me for that, be my guest, but it doesn't win any hearts and minds to the LLL cause, you know?

Look, I ADORED breastfeeding.  It broke my heart when my daughter wouldn't nurse; that had been something I had been looking for as a way to reconnect with her every day.  So yeah, it makes me a little defensive when people insinuate that I didn't try hard enough.  My husband helped me decide to stop pumping when he observed that I would be a better and happier mom to my girl if I wasn't always trying so hard to pump and just enjoyed the time I had with her instead.

Maggie, kudos to you.  I'm PROUD that you stuck with it until Elsie was 10 months, even with your brutally long day.  I hope everyone here can appreciate that we all do the best we can for our kids, and that was the right thing for you and for her.

December 20, 2007 8:35 PM
 

MamaT said:

See?  The above two comments are exactly what I'm talking about.  If you offer factual information about breastfeeding vs. formula, you are a "hater" and need to mind your own business.  

There is a huge difference between breastmilk and formula.  The DHA/ARA in formula?  Not FDA approved.  And not even proven to do the job.  I guess the formula company marketing execs are earning their pay.  Instead of being upset that the info and support are so hard to obtain, people make it into a personal insult.  

It's sad, because it's the children that are being shortchanged in all of this.  Since when did "fine" become something to aspire to?

Also, simply because one person says, "oh well, that didn't happen to me," that does not disprove the years of statistically significant evidence that shows the increased incedence of illness/infant death related to formula.

December 20, 2007 8:59 PM
 

Dwtintx said:

MamaT, I think you are referring to Tina and john "billy goat" anderson regarding the hate, but I want to be clear- I am not saying any of what anyone has written above is hate.  I agree 100% that breast is best.  I wish I could have continued, but I just couldn't, for my sanity.  I don't think that formula is instant poison, but I wouldn't think that, would I since I gave it to my daughter exclusively for 7 months of her life.

Let me get a little pre-emptively defensive (though I want to stress that I am NOT trying to be provacative here, only want to share my perspective, and hopefully everyone reading will take it in that vein) and say that some breastfeeding advocates might note that my reasons for stopping pumping had more to do with MY happiness, MY career, MY sleep, and that if I were more committed, I would have kept going.  I don't really know how to answer that, because anyone who feels that way probably won't be persuaded.  But I will say that yes, my mental health took a turn for the better when I decided to stop pumping.  And I was a better mom, a more nurturing mom to my girl, once I shed that stress and worry.  It was an agonizing decision, but once it was made, I'm pretty sure it was better for my baby to have a happy mommy who made the most of the limited time we had together.

I could keep having a running argument with me on one side, and, well, me on the other, but I'll stop now!  Always interesting having this discussion if it can stay civil.  Certainly my choices were not what I thought they would be pre-baby.

December 20, 2007 9:22 PM
 

pumping mom said:

OK, but what about the data that say that women while pregnant and lactating have reduced short-term memory? Enough of being stupid! I need my brain back after a year of lactating!

December 20, 2007 10:38 PM
 

MamaT said:

Dwitintix: yes, you are correct.  For some reason your first response did not appear until long after your second response.

While formula feeding in the US is less deadly than in the developing world, it still has dire consequences here - as exclusively formula fed infants in the US are twice as likely to die during their first year of life than their breastfed counterparts.  This is even after adjustment for the infants that are fed formula due to infant/maternal illness.

My point is that breastmilk is the standard for infant nutrition and development.  This is not about criticizing the individual mother, but a call to arms to change the overall culture.  The first step is bringing to light the normalcy of breastfeeding, and the true risks of formula feeding by choice. Even as a healthcare professional, I knew  only a small amount until I took it upon myself to learn when I became a mom.  

Instead of the mom vs. mom bickering, I would like to see concerted efforts to support breastfeeding in public, workplace breastfeeding acceptance, increased breastfeeding education.  

December 21, 2007 2:34 AM
 

Chris said:

Listen, Maggie is clearly a smart, loving mama.  Cut her some slack.  She doesn't need a bunch of stats and figures, and if she feels that the best choice for her family is formula, awesome.  It's not like she's letting Art fill the bottles with Coke (ha ha).  Art's point is well-taken: there are many considerations to make when deciding when to stop nursing.  And kudos for him (them) for sharing their reasons.

December 21, 2007 9:18 AM
 

Molly said:

I work over 40 hours a week, with a 45-minute commute each way and it was a total pain in the ass to pump...and embarassing to lug my pump down to the basement of the library where I work, but my son, who is now 16 months, never had formula. Though honestly? It's partly because it's been easier NOT to wean him...he's a tenacious little sucker (no pun intended). He's walking and talking, but until he figures out how to yell "I WANT BOOBIES," I'm not worried about it. Everyone on here is doing the best they can...

December 21, 2007 10:26 AM
 

Occhio said:

I had eleven babies once.  By the time they were two years old, the females were breast feeding their own infants.  I wouldn't have had it any other way.

Love,

Occhio

December 21, 2007 11:11 AM
 

Maggie said:

40 hours a week is not a full-time job.  I can't even imagine what it's like to work only 8 hours a day. (And I suspect some of these "jobs" are 8 hours a day of surfing the net for, and responding to, "formula vs breast milk" blog entries.)  My sister, who is on a 60% work schedule (and whose 7 month old daughter has been exclusively breastfed except for when she had jaundice), works more than that.  Which leads me back to my original point, that exclusively breastfeeding is not possible for women working full-time, particularly non-white collar women.  I agree with MamaT - LLLI should work on making breastfeeding possible for everyone.  Instead, it appears to focus on alienating the female population with its proselytizing.  

Anyway, Merry Christmas!  

December 21, 2007 12:20 PM
 

LLLI said:

We are actually more interested in badgering mothers than anything.  It delights us.  We also have enough numbers/statistics about anything that we could make you crawl backward if we wanted to.  And don't joke on us because we don't go that way.

December 21, 2007 1:06 PM
 

renee said:

You and ZZ Packer both went to Yale?  It must have gotten a lot more fun after I left (I assume I'm older.)  I don't care what you feed your kid, but I'll just say this: I have 2 daughters, one adopted who had only formula and one biological who had only breastmilk, and guess which one is healthier?  The one who isn't biologically related to me, of course.

December 21, 2007 2:26 PM
 

Molly said:

Maggie, I consider my 40 hours to be full time. It's squeezed into 4 days, which, with commuting out here in the middle of nowhere, means being away from my son for 11 or 12 hours a day, and sometimes more if I have a project to finish. Today is the day before Christmas break, so I have time to surf. True, it's a white collar job with an understanding boss. And true, most employers do not make it so easy, particularly for hourly wage workers. I understand all of that. I also understand and respect that people have infinite reasons for using formula/choosing breast/working/not working/eating organic/not eating organic. You asked and I responded because, generally, 40 hours is considered to be full time. Anyway, happy holidays.

December 21, 2007 3:36 PM
 

Dwtintx said:

MamaT, I enthusiastically agree with the sentiments in your last post.  The picking we moms do at each other for our individual choices makes me so sad sometimes (even as I fall prey to it myself- I try not to judge, but I'm not always successful, and I also get defensive as I did above), and I agree that it would be so much better if we could get more breastfeeding support from society generally, rather than ganging up on each other.

December 21, 2007 7:14 PM
 

Kate said:

Ha! I needed a good laugh.Everyone does the very best for their family and situation and it is really funny to see you "open minded" people trying to stuff everyone in to the same little tiny box that you live in.Good luck Maggie and Arthur-your sweet baby is obviously very well cared for and loved.

December 22, 2007 7:50 AM
 

Carrie said:

I would love to get links to some of the studies mentioned by previous posters.  I don't doubt that there are studies out there that link breastfeeding to such things as lower obesity rates, higher IQ, better health and so on.  What I would like to know is how they controlled for confounding variables in order to prove the causal relationship between breastfeeding and the above mentioned attributes.  Women who choose to breastfeed their children (be it for 4 months, 10 months or 2 years) likely share some other characteristics that could also lead to things like lower obesity rates or higher IQ.  For instance, I believe that women who choose to breastfeed are more likely to read to their children from birth, limit television, limit fast food consumption and are of a higher socio-economic class.  I would imagine that they talk more to their babies and use a wider vocabulary when they do so.  I want to be clear, I have no actual data supporting these assumptions.  It's just a generalization on my part in order to point out that there are many variables involved.  I also want to be clear that I do not believe that those who choose to formula feed are all fast-food eating, illiterate, low-income, people who watch television all day.  Do the studies mentioned somehow control or account for other variables such as the ones above?

Someone noted that formula fed infants are significantly less likely to survive the first year than their breastfed counterparts. I would also love to learn a little bit more about the infant mortality rates associated with formula consumption.  I would hazard a guess that formula related infant deaths are fairly low in this country.  I'm assuming the figure mentioned is related to the possibility that breastfed  babies are less likely to die as a result of SIDS.  If this is the case, I think it's important to note that this is not necessarily a scientifically proven fact.  A causal relationship has not been scientifically proven on this matter because again confounding variables abound.  As we all learned in high school science: "Correlation does not imply causation."  Pacifier use at night has also been linked to decreased SIDS rates and there is many a breastfeeding proponent that would causation against pacifier use.  

In the interest of self-disclosure: I am exclusively breastfeeding my son who is 5 months old.  I work three eight-hour days a week.  I was initially supposed to work 10 hour days but I just couldn't do it.  Maggie, more power to you for being able to pull off those long days!  I have had supply issues since going back to work and so I now have to pump every 2 hours for 30 minutes each time.  This means that I spend 2 hours out of my eight hour day locked in a small conference room pumping.  My workplace is extremely supportive of my need to pump.  I know that I have it much easier than many other women and yet I still find it incredibly stressful to pump.  There is stress related to my supply issues although that is becoming less of an issue with the assistance of a new pump and a wonderful lactation consultant.  There is the stress of making sure I have a place to pump each day.  There is stress related to knowing that I am not "pulling my weight" at work anymore because I spend a quarter of my time pumping (not to mention the time washing the various pump parts between each session).

Breastfeeding has been challenging for us from day one.  With each new stage of my son's life has come a new breastfeeding challenge.  Pumping has been even more challenging (and given me a whole new respect for cows!).  I'm glad I have persevered but I know that all the stress had an adverse affect on my relationship with my son and husband during my babe's first 8 weeks of life.   I have set short goals for myself.  When he was born I promised myself I would make it to 4 months.  Then I extended it to 6 months.  I can only assume that when I hit that point I will extend it to 9 months and then 12 months and so on.  I love looking at my babe and knowing that my body has made those fat little thighs and pudgy cheeks.  That being said, we have a can of formula that sits on our kitchen table in case the day comes where I have not left enough milk for father and babe to get through the day.

I see no reason to harass Maggie on her choice to stop breastfeeding her beautiful daughter at 10 months old.  That is a job well done in my opinion.

I also wanted to comment on the discussion of "hate" that occurred earlier.  I imagine that might be related to Miranda's post that ended with "You are an idiot."  Ending your post with name calling only brings down the level of discourse and frankly makes most of us discount the entire post.  This can be a great, impassioned discussion but lets keep it civil and guilt free.

December 22, 2007 8:44 AM
 

c said:

kudos to maggie for going for 10 months. everyone else who feels the need to spout off statistics and charts and chanting, BREAST IS BEST--what is it?? Do you think women who use formula DON'T KNOW THAT!? I mean, it's in all the books, all the websites, it's even on the can of formula for crying out loud. I wonder how you would feel if a thin woman talked about her size 5 frame non-stop. You'd probably go, "we get it--you're THIN!"

All this drama and lecturing other moms is such a waste. Do you honestly think there is a mama on this board who DOESN'T WANT THE BEST FOR THEIR CHILD? Good grief. Maggie and Arthur--you rock and yay for doing what you think is best. I couldn't breastfeed after 2 months b/c of various surgeries and medical conditions and i was DEVASTATED. I had a doula. My husband was home with me for 3 wks. And yes, three LLL women came over to help but instead all I got was guilt guilt and more guilt from LLL for not being able to stop all the pain medication i was on so i could breastfeed. meanwhile, i felt like i was losing my mind and so was my husband, who was losing his wife. i bawled my eyes out onto my child's onesie when i first fed him formula b/c of the "well-meaning" people who thought it was necessary to repeat "breast is best" info to my face when i was struggling to hold onto my body/mind that had recently undergone major surgery. but you know what--switching to formula absolutely let me be able to enjoy my infant and laugh again with my husband so it was the best choice for us. i totally believe breastmilk is the way to go, but please please please remember that it is not the case for all no matter HOW much support you have.

December 24, 2007 1:42 PM
 

Joanie said:

Arthur and Maggie,

Your family looks happy and beautiful and healthy.  Don't let any of these crabby people tell you who your wife's boobs are for, what your baby should eat, or how you should live your life!  Good grief, I hate this debate -- nobody gets this worked up about children's solid foods; why so much angst over milk?  

I'm from the Northwest, and I'm pretty hippie-ish.  I breastfed for three months.  Now I go to work, we use formula, I have sex with my husband, and life is grand.  Sheesh, people, relax a little!

December 26, 2007 10:34 AM
 

Maggie said:

Thanks for all the support!  My heart goes out to all the working mothers out there who are trying to make everything work in a country that doesn't support us in the way that it should.

Happy New Year!

December 26, 2007 2:27 PM
 

Nana said:

Every mother of every daughter and son, now parents, trying to find a balance applauds you both.  Elsie is obviously thriving.  You have consistently put her first through pregnancy, career changes and cross-country moves.  With the perspective of many decades and multiple generations I can only say congratulations!

December 26, 2007 9:13 PM
 

S.A. said:

Wow.

What's with the judginess people?

I will chime in and note that I have taken care of many children, some who were breastfed exclusively, some consumed a mixture of formula and breastmilk, some who were fed formula exclusively. They are all healthy and smart and wonderful.

I will note that twins that I took care of who were fed formula exclusively (there mother could not breastfeed, though she would have loved to) are the healthiest kids I know, very rarely sick. I can count on one hand the number of times they have been felled by colds and whatnot-oh, and they are vegetarians. Stew on that for a bit.

Elsie is clearly a child surrounded by love. Isn't that what counts?

December 30, 2007 3:38 AM
 

Pete said:

Hey Idiot,

Is it true that Elsie's gone back to Earth's Best formula?  That's the rumor.  Just trying to get your endorsements straight, here.

December 30, 2007 12:58 PM
 

Maujer said:

First off, I breastfeed my 16 month-old, so I think that gives me the right to say this with some impunity -- I hate the way breastfeeding is promoted. Hate. I think the breast is best campaign leaves way too many women out in the cold. If the LLL crowd took a more moderate stance, fewer people would call them fanatics and nazis. However, as things are, any women who doesn't breastfeed is demonized for it, or at best, given a condescending lecture about how she's not really trying hard enough.

In some ways exclusively breastfeeding actually sets back the women's movement by at least a century, tying one, as it does, to the baby and the home. While I applaud everyone who pumps, I think it's also dangerous to make parenting into such an extreme sport. Pumping is stressful, difficult, exhausting and time-consuming. Since the pump is about three times less efficient than the baby at extracting milk, I'd imagine your body has to work that much harder to produce it. I'm sure that takes its toll. And while I think it's fine to sacrifice for one's children, I think it's probably better not to make the limited time a working mother has with their offspring fraught with exhaustion and stress about how much nutrition they're getting. When do you exclusively pumping mothers get to relax and enjoy things?

I pity you more than I pity the formula fed.

December 31, 2007 12:39 PM
 

Melissa said:

Good lord, you've woken the breast Nazis!!  

I breastfed my son with no problem.  Stopped at 9 months because he was losing interest and it was very difficult to be a full time working mom pumping twice a day.  Besides, at 9 months, he was eating plenty of food.  Breastfeeding is a wonderful thing, so is formula feeding.  

Extremists are annoying, neurotic and oh so fve years ago.

January 2, 2008 9:03 PM
 

MsC said:

I was amazed at the amount of judginess that comes with this issue when it happened to me.   I had always just assumed I'd breastfeed, for health and money reasons.  Unfortunately, my boobs didn't get the message.  Herbs, drugs, extra hydration, diet changes, breast-feeding 'vacations', pumping, pumping, pumping....  No matter what I did, not matter what the kind breastfeeding consultants recommended, my breasts would not produce more than a trickle.  On my best day, I could produce 4 ounces in 24 hours.

This was devestating for me, but at least I was able to feed my daughter at the breast using a supplementer.  

Most people were very supportive, but I did indeed meet people who insisted that I just wasn't trying hard enough.  I could buy milk online, I could import illegal-here drugs from contancts of theirs overseas, etc.  

So yeah, I agree with what 'c' said above.  Every mother who isn't living under a rock knows that breast is best.  Unfortunately it's not possible for everyone, for any number of reasons.  And some people just choose not to.

January 4, 2008 2:24 PM
 

John "billy goat" anderson said:

I'm impressed with the anti-judgment backlash; at the same time, I'm a little disappointed that the tormentors haven't replied.  No fire in 2008, sisters?

January 4, 2008 7:02 PM
 

Kate's mom said:

Whenever the fanatics ask "why wouldn't you do what's best for your child, no matter the cost?" I wonder if they are doing whatever it takes (mortgaging the house, etc.) to send their kids to the very best private school?  And why the hell are any of them working, isn't it best for them to be home with baby, no matter the cost?  I also wonder - how the hell will her kid withstand such a judgmental mother?

Signed, a working mom who feeds formula AND breast milk and thinks the mean fanatics just need some sleep.

January 11, 2008 12:59 PM
 

Amy said:

Oh sheesh. I'm sickened by reading this thread. Sickened, once again, at the militant, judgmental, harsh words from people who seem to think those of us who are unable or who choose not to breastfeed for ____ (insert random number here) ____ are ill-informed, lazy mothers who've been suckered by the formula companies.

Back off of us. Just. Back. Off.

Look, I had every breastfeeding book at my side, I took the class, I was ready and excited to breastfeed, and it was devastating that it didn't work for my child. Do you honestly think we formula mothers haven't tried everything? That we don't care enough about our children? If that's what you need to fictionalize for yourself so that you can march through your world feeling righteous, clucking your way past the inferior mothers, there is no hope for you as a human being.

It is this kind of judgment that keeps formula-feeding mothers of premature babies or babies with cleft palates or WHATEVER isolated in their houses, afraid to step outside for fear of someone seeing the bottle and giving them a glare, or lecture. And no, solely pumping and putting breastmilk in the bottle (which will still get glares, because breastfeeders rarely stop to consider that it might be PUMPED MILK before judging someone on the street) doesn't always work. A machine sucking at your body is not the same as a baby, and that can affect production, as does the enormous pressure from yourself and your lactation consultant and your worried family and your crying baby, NOT TO MENTION THE CRAZIES who are ready to beat you silly with their judgments.

Breastfeeders are not the only ones who get treated like pariahs - formula feeders do, too. It's horrible, especially when all you're trying to do is provide the best possible option, given your own personal circumstances, for nourishing your child. And you know what? I don't hear formula feeders raising a storm against breastfeeders, saying they're bad mothers making ignorant choices and swayed by a fringe movement - instead, we say, "That's so awesome that you can do that ... I wish I could have/I'm glad it's right for you" or whatever.

Guess what? My formula fed daughter is bright, sweet, ahead of all those milestones, and has never had a cold in her life at 16 months. She didn't freaking DIE from formula.  In fact, it quite saved her. MamaT is using her "scientific FACTS!!!" as scare tactics, to hammer on other mothers, and that is just unacceptable.

Gah, </rant>

January 11, 2008 5:03 PM

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