FameCrawler

Wow... That. Is. Special.

And so it begins.......

So what! This is ridiculous, even if it was true!

If it's not true, then she was incredibly reckless to take a flight when after her water broke, with a high-risk (premature) birth and a disabled baby.  People (babies or mothers) will  die if they think this is an ok thing to do.  Merely from a public health perspective, it's atrocious behavior on the part of a governor.  Someone could have died.

If the rumor is false, she told countless lies to countless people and used the falsehoods to bolster her political career.  How could you ever believe a thing she said after she told so many outright lies repeatedly over months, and to this day?

Love the honesty!!! who flies when there in labor!!??  GET REAL!!! daughters an undercover whore!!!

You are all idiots grasping for straws.  Check this link out.  End of story.

72.14.205.104/search

Oh goody, a nice spooky story!  Totally think it is true. The "mono" excuse is used by every teen mom in the south honey.  Any 44 year old woman having a special needs child would tell her staff right away in case she had to be whisked off to the hospital or something.  She is NOT pregnant in those photos, old ladies show fast and sow a LOT.  I am filled with glee over this story!  

Let the public vetting of Sarah Palin begin. Something McCain's team seems to have forgotten to do.  Let's also look into the issue of her unelected husband participating in official meetings, interfering with staff issues, and being copied on official emails that are now censored due to "executive privilege".

Truthperson - you are the idiot. In that pic from the right wing Hoover Institute, Palin is wearing a roomy suit - perhaps with gullible people like you in mind who could help her turn her teen daughter's trauma into political gain.  Look at: 1. the pic of her on Super Tuesday in a figure fitting brown jump suit. 2. The fact that her daughter was out of school for five months with "mono" during the pregnancy.  3. The fact that her own staff was shocked at the 12th-hour announcement of the blessed event - and of course, 4. the good mother giving her speech and climbing aboard a plane for a 12 hour flight when Bristol's - I mean - her "water broke."  McCain sure knows how to pick them!

It reflects good on her but it reflects bad on Mccain and his vetting and his recklessness. He is nit suited for the office of POTUS

Truthperson, can you furnish us a link to a photo taken from the front at that speech?  Any woman wearing a long unbuttoned jacket will find it draping open like that.  Breasts have a way of doing such things.  

The problem with this rumor is that it's total horseshit.

There are in fact several photos of the pregnant Palin. There are also photos of Palin in which she does not look pregnant; conspiciously, though, neither does Palin's daughter.

It's a sign of the chaos into which McCain's surprise choice has thrown Obama supporters that such absurd straws are being grasped. As the afterglow of Palin's selection wears off, Democrats will come to there senses and realize that this sort of silliness can only alienate women voters. It plays into McCain's very hands.

Paul M - Where then, in fact, are they?

This rumor should be laid to rest one way or the other.

This is classic Sarah Palin.  Here's our governor.  Deny, Deny, Deny, Deceive.  Gotta love her--at least she looks real purdy...  

Please check facts before spreading rumors....on the facts around the birth of her son:

Sarah, 44, had her water unexpectedly break (just a slow leak of amniotic fluid, she shared) while attending an energy conference in Texas, but checked in with her doctor, was able to stay, deliver a 30 minute speech, and then get on a plane to return to her home state in time for the delivery (which ended up needing to be induced) early this morning.

   I am not a glutton for pain and punishment. I would have never wanted to travel had I been fully engaged in labor.  After four kids I knew what labor felt like, and I wasn't in labor.

www.celebrity-babies.com/.../alaskan-governo.html

Guilty until proven innocent it seems. How about more than an interesting assumption before we crucify her?

The McCain team never vetted Palin. She was too low on the list and an unlikely candidate. Spontaneous Johnny jumped the gun with Palin to lay a coup on Obama's highly successful convention. He never gave his team a chance, and now this irrational choice is beginning to bite him in the arse. I think the rumor is true, but even if it isn't Palin has to answer for some irresponsible choices that put her baby at risk. In time, the truth will be uncovered. Further rumor has it that The National Enquirer is hot on the trail of this story in the making. Again, either way it goes this one spells disaster for McStupid.

I think this could be answered by the young man involved in an accident (possibly) turning into Family Medicine of Alaska (familymedicineofalaska.com) when the pregnancy would have been 6 months along.

Here's the police report:

Wasilla Police Department

On February 8, 2008, at 1737 hours, Wasilla Police responded to two vehicle collision at Seward Meridian Parkway and Fireweed Drive . Investigation revealed that Bristol Palin, age 17 of Wasilla, was driving a 4-door sedan and attempted to turn into a business when she struck a 2-door sedan driven by Joshua Moffet, age 19, of Wasilla. Palin was issued a citation for Failing to Use Due Care to Avoid a Collision. Moffet was issued a citation for an expired registration and no proof of insurance.

Bristol name has been scrubbed from the report but here is the source:

www.frontiersman.com/.../doc47b15d2cb6df0732991573.txt

Josh Moffet would be able to state whether Bristol was pregnant since I'm sure the police and the hospital are going to be keeping extremely quiet with all that is on the line, but it would also be worth questioning the officer at the scene.

At this point the story is only hearsay and I just want to know the truth. The woman could very possibly be the president of the United States and it would be extremely irresponsible not to do basic research into the matter. It has nothing to do with the child itself only the actions of Sarah Palin.

It is extremely suspicious at the very least that she took an eleven hour flight from Texas back to Alaska, while in labor, to deliver at a hospital closer to her home town of Wasilla than Anchorage.

cache.daylife.com/.../340x.jpg

This is an article, Alaska newspaper, from March '08 shows a pic of the beautiful PREGNANT Sarah Palin.

community.adn.com/.../118874

Another ugly election, with conservatives polarizing everyone to hate.

Palin is a bad choice.

If old dying McCain dies, I would not want this uptight nobody in power.

here is another pic of Palin pregnant from March 15th 2008.

alaskareport.com/.../z49194_republican_convention.htm

I went to the sight Truthperson, I have seen the picture. This is a Desperate Housewives pregnancy, a pillow!!!!!

Another little bit more to the rumor. Friend of my hairstylist is the person who processes insurance for the Valley Hospital in Wasilla, Alaska. She claims that the baby was not covered on Palin insurance at birth, but was covered on the baby wellness checkup!!!! Why would that be???

If the above picture is really of Governor Palin at approximately seven months pregnant and her six pound baby was born one month early, she deserves a round of applause for keeping her weight down.  She must have blown up in that eight month.

I think this is what happens when a small-town story suddenly goes very, very public with little lag time.  But here's the thing: no matter what, even if it's true, then there really is no downside to the story.  No matter what way you dice this, Sarah Palin is a woman who chose to raise a Down's Syndrome baby, and that is a tough and admirable task.

Scenario one is that this whole thing is coincidence, and Trig is her son.  Scenario two is that the baby's Bristol's, and that her parents knew all along, pulled her out of school and arranged to appear to be the parents from day one.  Scenario three, which seems the most likely to me?  Trig Palin is Bristol Palin's baby; she had arranged to have him privately adopted, but the chromosomal tests suddenly turned up Down's Syndrome and the adoption fell through.  Faced with the knowledge that a Down's baby is far harder to place, the entire Palin family decided to go to plan B and suddenly announce Sarah's pregnancy, move the due date out a month to explain her not showing, and ensure Sarah was in the state when Bristol gave birth.

But even if that last scenario is the one that actually occurred, I don't see this reflecting badly on the Governor.  Older women taking on the children of immature girls is a tried-and-true pattern in history, as is keeping it a family secret.  And again: no matter how this happened, Sarah Palin and her husband knowingly brought a Down's Syndrome baby into their family.  

While this is a curiosity, it's not something to be pursued for political gain.  There is no bonus to prying into this family situation, and no fraud either -- Palin only took 3 days of maternity leave, so any fraud is more along the lines of people feeling misled.  And given I think a huge percentage of parents would do the same as the Palins are alleged to have done, it would be sympathetic at most.

Totally awesome story. No way she would have flown after her water broke; not buying it! Of course, any "pregnant" photos of Palin could have been faked; the non-pregnant ones like you posted speak volumes. (That small with a fifth child? Don't think so!!)

Wendy Isbell said:

"Another little bit more to the rumor. Friend of my hairstylist is the person who processes insurance for the Valley Hospital in Wasilla, Alaska. She claims that the baby was not covered on Palin insurance at birth, but was covered on the baby wellness checkup!!!! Why would that be???"

1st off, your "story" holds no water.  This would violate HIPPA law and your freind's insurance person's sister-in-law's mother's cousin would be in HUGE trouble for discussing this with ANYONE.

2nd, look at the 2nd pic from March 15th.  Her face is a little chubby, very common for women who are in their 3rd trimester.

It's clear that Bristol was pregnant. Look at the baby bump! There is no question about it!!

Look at her oldest daughter!  Do you guys really think that that's a food baby under that little green sweater?  There's no way that she can have that fat of a belly with skinny little arms like that.  Come on, people!  And look at her expression: everyone's showing teeth accept her.  Hrmmm. . . looks guilty to me.  Just my opinion.  

Just because she maybe looks pregnant in a couple of pictures linked above, doesn't necessarily mean that it must be true. In an effort to hide her daughter's pregnancy and pass it off as her own, she easily could've worn an undergarment suit such as this: realityworks.com/.../index.html

Another pic of Palin pregnant.

progressivealaska.blogspot.com/.../dillons-february-26-palin-pic.html

from March 6th,2008

Most of all, as an anti-abortion executive, she would make the private lives and pregnancy decisions of every other woman in America a public matter potentially enforcable by jailtime. This obviates any claim to her own pregnancy decisions being accorded any privacy respect. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

It's really true that a lie flies around the world twice while the truth is still getting its pant on.

1.  The picutre at the top of the page was taken in 2006.  Governor Palin's baby was born in 2008.  Did everyone spreading this rumor flunk Health Science in high school?  Or haven't they taken that yet?

2.  There are witnesses and photos showing Ms. Palin was pregnant this year.  Here's a travel blog entry from April 2008 where the author mentions she met the Governor at an airport this year and that she looked pregnant to her:

www.polartrec.com/.../3944

3.  Daily KOS posters started this rumor.  Their reputation for truthfulness and accuracy took a serious hit a couple of weeks back when they accused McCain of stealing his war story about a guard flashing him the Sign of the Cross one night.  "McChimpHitlerSlime stole that story from Solzenetzyn!" they thundered.  Got the left side of the blogosphere all riled up for 2-3 days.  Only...when Solzenetzyn's biographer got wind of it he pointed out that there was no mention of that story in <i>Gulag Archipeligo</i> nor any of his other published works.  

The KOS Kiddies have a bad reputation for shooting from the lip and making themselves (and anyone who pays attention to them) look stupid.

The photo at the top is from 2006.  See Anchorage Daily News site, where they have a slideshow with that photo stating it is from that year.  So be very careful with the facts.  That said, there is still something fishy about this deal.  Follow the bouncing ball very carefully, everyone.

i have to agree that is seems very suspect. too many "coincidences" to the story, and no real convincing photographic evidence to support her being pregnant. i have 3 children of my own, and i can assure you....once you get to the 3rd...much less the 5th... you don't "gain it all at the end". you start showing VERY early. so, i'm leaning more towards the notion of a Desperate Housewives pregnancy. and the scenarios set forth by a previous poster (Grace) seem quite logical regarding what the original plan could have been. besides, given her anti-abortion stance...what else was she supposed to do?

The baby is not a down-syndrome,,,,it is half Eskimo and saying that covers the case--from all angles...!

She was already under investigation for abuse of power involving her in-laws when McCain picked her! Now this! This came up way too fast to be made up out of whole cloth. Too many photos and a bunch of stories that don't add up are hitting. The flames are not showing yet but there's plenty of black smoke coming out of this story.

"Troopergate"...ha.  The guy she fired held appointive office, which means that as governor she could have fired him for wearing a tie with a greasy spot on it to work.  He was offered a transfer to another department at the same pay and turned it down.  There really isn't much "there" to "there" with this.

paul m - yeah...alienate women voters.  gee, you right wing guys really are still that sexist, huh?  my god, you guys say this crap as if women all have i.q.'s below 100.  

my 1st reaction to seeing headline "mccain picks female vp" was "that f'ing bast**d mccain thinks women are idiots!"  and since then, i've come across COUNTLESS comments like yours, blatantly admitting you think the bulk of women are that gullible.  my god, do you think most of us are illiterate, as well?  or that everyone on the internet is actually a male, or anne coulter?  

as far as this rumor:  i'm not a huge fan of political rumors.  but, as the right has slung mud since day 1, my frustration level makes me not care so much if liberals take up the same tactics.

before i even knew it was a rumor, i was shocked at the story of the water breaking, finishing the speech, the long plane ride, car ride to the hospital.  i found that odd before knowing others did as well.

if it's true, i'm disgusted for 2 reasons:  that in this day & age, young women are still made to feel shame for having sex.  yes, i don't think a teen girl should have a baby.  but, teens have sex.  they always have, they always will.  boys get congratulated, girls get shame if they end up with proof of their sexual activity.  

also, if this is true, i am beyond disgusted that they'd use this disabled child as the poster child for anti-abortion.  if the story is a lie, if trig is actually sarah's grandson - to use him to try to turn your religious beliefs into law, wow - i have a feeling her God wouldn't quite approve of any of these lies.

oh geez im pregnant with my 3rd surviving, nd am 4 months.  im smaller this time than i was with my first  AND second at 3 months.  she could very well have been small.  

trig was born april 19 2008, one month premature.

this photo was from an article dated march 7 2008.

SOMEONE was then 6.5 months pregnant.

looks pretty clearly like bristol to me:

www.adn.com/.../339587.html

any proof this photo was from 2006?? doesn't seem so.

looks like mccain needs a new vp.

This can't be true. Looking at the age of the youngest daughter in the family picture, this picture has to be at least two years old. Which means Bristol Palin has a little bit of a belly but wouldn't be pregnant anyway.

And, I can't believe no one's mentioned this... Down syndrome babies are almost ALWAYS had by older mothers. For a girl Bristol's age, the odds of a Down syndrome baby are 1 in 1562, but for a woman Gov. Palin's age, the odds go way up to 1 in 19. Just based off that, it's hard to believe that this baby would be born to a younger mother than an older mother.

And plus this woman's the Governor of Alaska. If this gigantic switch happened, tons of doctors would have to know about it... any doctor who saw Bristol Palin pregnant, in labor, etc. The hospital would have had Trig listed as Bristol's baby, and so if this was true, there would have been a ton more witnesses and information, not just a "rumor" that doesn't seem to have any real origins.

Orion seems to believe that the Solzhenitsyn biographer's statement somehow debunked the DailyKos posting. Not true. The posting quoted this:

"Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Russian author who spent many years in the gulag of Siberia, bears witness to the power of the cross. After long suffering in the work camp of Siberia, he fell into despair. Like other prisoners, he had worked in the fields day after day, in rain and sun, during summer and winter. His days were filled with backbreaking labor and slow starvation. On a particular day, the hopelessness of his situation became too much. He saw no reason to continue living, to continue fighting the system. He thought that the rest of his life was meaningless since he would most likely die in this Siberian prison. His life made no difference in the world. So he gave up.

Laying his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude work-site bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel. He had seen it happen to many other prisoners.

As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly, he lifted his eyes and saw a skinny, old prisoner squat down next to him. The man said nothing. Instead, he drew a stick through the ground at Solzhenitsyn’s feet, tracing the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.

As Solzhenitsyn stared at the sign of the Cross, his entire perspective changed. He knew that he was only one man against the all-powerful Soviet empire. Yet in that moment, he knew that there was something greater than the evil that he saw in the prison, something greater than the Soviet Union. He knew that the hope of all mankind was represented in that simple Cross. And through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.

Solzhenitsyn slowly got up, picked up his shovel, and went back to work. Nothing outward had changed, but inside, he received hope."

It's from:

incommunion.org/.../the-sign-of-the-cross

And has been repeated many times in other publications, making it very easy for McCain to have incorporated the story into his "memories."

But hey, maybe the author, Father Luke Veronis, was like McCain and just made up the whole story.

NEWSFLASH:

"80 percent of babies with Down's syndrome are born to mothers under 35."

TRUTH.

general-medicine.jwatch.org/.../2

www.kidsource.com/.../babies.down.pn.html

www.bellaonline.com/.../art32534.asp

caption of photo dated march 9, 2008:

"Sarah Palin at home with her family in Wasilla. From left is Piper, 5; husband, Todd; Willow, 12; and at right is Bristol, 16. Not pictured is Palin's son, Track, 17."

looks like a five year old on the left to me. and bristol definitely looks 6.5 months pregnant on the right.

www.adn.com/.../339587.html

also, fyi, "80 percent of babies with Down's syndrome are born to mothers under 35."

www.bellaonline.com/.../art32534.asp

Thank you all for helping me prove my argument that the economy isn't that bad.  If you all have the time and resouces to sit around and speculate on this clearly fabricated story, then you all are doing JUST FINE!!

Get lives!  Seriously - some of you claim to be mothers of several children.  You must have something better to do with your time?!?!?

watch the video i found this morning of the governor "hiking" to work back in Feb of this year...just a little bit shy of two months before Trig was born.

correction re: timeline:

the photo was posted online march 9, 2008 (so it was probably taken up to a week prior).

trig was born april 19 2008, one month premature.

so bristol/sarah would have been ~6-6.5 months pregnant in it, give or take about a week.

which one more looks it to you?

You have to be real idiots to believe this crap.  No wonder you all have "baby head" avatars.  

lmao @ darren.

also keep in mind these rumors started in alaska DURING her pregnancy. it's nothing new, this is just what happens when you don't vet.

maverick = moron

Yeah, the Bristol picture is from 2006.

www.adn.com/.../509850.html

QED

Look at the photo taken at the speech.  She sure looks pregnant.

We have a 40 year old woman at work who is pregnant and barely shows at 6 months.  She is still hot!!!

She Does look pregnant In Video Hers face  Shows it most. Look at pictures off her Now Also look up Article in Boston globe . Tells about her finding out about down syndrome when she was 4 months pregnant and facts that over 40 women are more likely to have children with this . Her hubby is a fisherman that alone gets my vote

Her character needs to be determined for the good of this country. She could be making decisions on war, nuclear conflict, diplomacy, etc because of McCain's pick. Maybe you can cover-up something like this in Alaska, but the same is not true on the national stage. Is she a total phony and liar? Time will tell. Let the National Enquirer get to the bottom of this VERY important story. I am inclined to believe it given there is so much evidence for it and the fact that if it were false, the would be a ton of evidence to prove it is false.

This is not a new story.  Still not proven!  BTW the Lyda Green is the person that was called a B**** while Palin laughed. (youtube)

The following is from an Anchorage Daily News article dated March 6th.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

Whether this turns out to be true or just a horrific instance of political swift boating back lash, I sit her feeling sorry for 16 year old Bristol Palin. She is at an age that involves very complicated issues in terms of maturity, self esteem and character development. Weak circumstantial evidence is all that exist currently and I hope nothing else comes to the fore front. True or not, I find myself questioning the decision of Sarah Palin to accept the V.P. nomination. If this is true, and the Palin's contrived the pregnancy and birth in front of the media to protect her daughter's reputation,it seems a little far-fetched as her motivation could have only been protecting her political career. As I pray that this is not the case, I find myself questioning the judgement of allowing her family to be dragged through the media mess that is about to happen. I have researched this issue enough to find that the false pregnancy rumours began in Bristol's high school, while she was on an extended medical leave that coincided with her mother's sudden pregnancy announcement and giving birth. It does not take an astute political junkie, to realize that this speculation would explode in the national political environment and certainly victimize her daughter. Family first, or political career first?

@Scott

I agree, simple vetting would have foreseen this.

In addition, IF true, this can't be spun in a positive light.  It goes to the honesty question even if it may be a family matter.  Andrea Mitchell just stated that Palin made a case against abortion with the example that she made the decision to have the baby knowing the baby would have DS.

www.votetheday.com/.../sarah-palin-is-not-trigs-mother-132

Justin, view the source metadata for your link.  It clearly shows the caption has been edited:

<img src="media.adn.com/.../316-adn_photo_10.1220017455.standalone.prod_affiliate.7.jpeg" height="335" width="500" alt="" />

<p class="byline">Photo by LESTER / Anchorage Daily News</p>

</div>

<p class="caption">Sarah Palin at home with her family in Wasilla, Alaska in 2006. From left is Piper, 5, husband Todd, Willow, 12, and at right is Bristol, 16. Not pictured is Palin's son Track, 17. Trig Palin was born in 2008.</p>

The fact is-if she is truly pro-life and if Palin is the mother-than why would this pro-life 44 year old pregnant woman who is considered high-risk by virtue of her own age and the fact that she is expecting a baby with Down's, wait 13 hours, fly from Texas to Alaska, with premature rupture of the membranes to get to a small local hospital without a NICU?  sounds very risky. Either she is lying or she and her doctors have no judgment.

If you looks at the evidence (pictures, etc.), it is clear that Sarah Palin is indeed the grandmother, not the mother.  Her daughter is clearly pregnant, especially if you look at the rest of her body: svelte and thin, except for her stomach and chest, which are too big (if you look at other pictures) due to mother's milk.

Another question.  The Palins just celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary the other day, and have a 19-year old son.  That gives roughly a three to four month window in which a normal child could have been conceived and born after they were married, and an eight month window in which he could have been born, having conceived prior to the marriage.  Which, by the way, took place suddenly at a courthouse due to "money issues."  That could be suspicious too...

The hypocrisy is not that a teenager had a baby (mistakes happen, teens have sex).

It the cover up and that Sarah is a lying scoundrel politician who threw her daughter under the bus to advance mamas desire to be one step away from the being President.

Found on Yahoo! News photos, this family photo shows how Sarah Palin looks when she has been pregnant in the past in her later stages of pregnancy.

news.yahoo.com/.../529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d

Something isn't right. She was leaking fluid (a serious risk for infection) a month premature while knowing she was carrying a downs syndrome baby...remained to make a speech....flew from TX to AK with a stopover in Seattle...drove to a hospital near the remote town that she had been mayor of to give birth, when a larger, better equipped hospital was closer to the airport? Her daughter is out of school a lot longer than normal for a case of mono. and who always seems to be the one holding baby Trig...not Sarah...not Todd.

This is explosive if it is true...the unwed daughter of an ''abstinence-only'' advocate giving birth, and then moms' connections cover it up. This doesn't make her a hero...it makes her a hypocrite. And she would be in a position to push forward her agenda to dictate the reproductive decisions of others? Add this on top of 'troopergate' and she is toast. Maybe the GOP offered her up as VP to save Romney for 2012.

Yesterday they took the pic off the alaska web site. Later on it was put back on with the 2006 date on it. That pic was taken in 2007 the date was changed!

Alaskainhottness:

you keep linking to pics that were taken in Feb -- where you claim she is pregnant -- at that point she would have only been FOUR MONTHS pregnant -- and NOBODY, not even her staff knew she was pregnant until she announced it at month 7 -- where in photos just a month before giving birth she is virtually flat as a pancake.

so explain to me how she looked more pregnant at 4 months, was able to hide it for 7 months, and then look less pregnant a month before she (a 45-yo woman) who there is only a 1-2% chance of getting pregnant at her age without fertility intervention, and more than 50% chance of miscarriage -- flies 6 different times in the space of 2 days with her water breaking and then gives birth to a downs syndrome child, who DOES NOT TRANSFER POWER TO THE LT GOV DURING CHILD BIRTH, and then returns to work 2 days later?

For those questioning the mother of Trig Palin, check out the photos of Governor Palin,  clearly pregnant at six months ( 2-26-08), at ADN.com story of 3-05-08.

The leftist slime machine at work again.

Why is there so much unsubstantiated  slime  less than 48 hours after her pick as VP  on Sarah Palin , when the MSM hasn't spoken or printed nary a word on the Messiah's proven corrupt ties to the convicted slumlord/conman Resko, Saddam's banker Auchi, PLO spokesman Khalid Rashidi or the convicted Iraq embezzler /traitor Alsammrae.

The purveyors of the Palin baby rumors are absolutely disgusting.

I don't know who gave birth to Trig, but what I do know is the "mother" of Trig didn't bother with any maternity leave. My son is special needs, and what I do know is that these kids need a LOT of parental involvement. Whether adopted, or natural birth...mom being involved with baby matters.  She may be a good govenor...don't know. I do know she is a lousy mother.

This truly shows that Mccain just picked her because she is a woman! He did no research and picked her as a poor strategy. Its okay though, she will not be the next VP of the united states.

PROOF_  if this ISNT PREGNANT (APRIL 08) what is???

picasaweb.google.com/.../searchbrowse

Are there any recent pics of anyone other than Bristol holding baby Trig?

Pro-life is more than just having the baby it is the daily hands on care of that baby AFTER birth...not going immediately back to work, letting others care and nurture that baby from the onset. Not going on a whirlwing campaign tour. Her ambition comes before her child.

IF she is the mother, shame on her. If she is the grandmother, shame on her.

Some nurse or doctor would have let this one leak out by this time.  A good Democrat sure would.

Marti

So we need another leader that can conceal the truth, or at least try to make us believe something other than reality? I believe the GOP is sticking with their M.O. of running up the deficit and then turning it over to the Deomocrats to fix (remember the surplus we had with Clinton?). Let's get on with the plans for change by demanding TRUTH from our leaders.

Uh...maybe they did and that's why we're discussing it.

What pregnant woman over the age of 40 would get onto an airplane for a 12 hour flight knowing that she was leaking fluid, and not even make sure that any medical personnel were also on the plane?  I don't care how many children she gave birth to prior to her 35th birthday.  No informed and caring parent or doctor would advise that a woman over 40 take such a chance.  It makes no sense.

There has to be hospital records somewhere... there have to be nurses or doctors that treated/delivered all involved. Im sure if Sarah was not the mother of this baby, these people would have come forward and made clear her deceit.

I guess that speaks to her judgement...or lack of it

well abby, i dont know about you... but if i were thousands of miles away from my husband and family, and was 'leaking' water... if my doctor said it was ok to travel (knowing everything about me, and my baby), i would do anything and everything in my power to get home to deliver. Especially if i knew the baby has special needs. i would want to be with family, and with my own doctor!!!

I thought her husband was with her at the time. I would want to be an the most state of the art neonatal facility as soon as possible.

I have 4 children, and the LAST thing a woman in her 40s should do when her water breaks is take an 8 hour flight and THEN deliver her premature baby. Poor judgment or something fishy!

You people are sick.  Joanne, raise your own allergic spoiled brats and leave other women alone.

She consulted with her MD, not you. GTF over your self.

Right on...I would be at the closest, most state of the neonatal unit ASAP...but then what do I know....I'm just an RN. And i would not leave my special needs infant and be back to work 2 days later...but then what do i know...I'm just the parent of a special needs kid.  Sorry. A good parent? No. Good judgement? No.

aboutflying, I cannot believe that any doctor would advise a woman over the age of 40 who was leaking fluid to board an airplane and travel 12 hours and not even suggest that there be medical personnel aboard the flight.  No I don't buy any trained medical doctor advising a sitting governor, who is 40+ plus years and pregnant doing this. I would definitely question any doctor's professionalism and integrity to affirm such a decision.

TOM 94115 said:

PROOF_  if this ISNT PREGNANT (APRIL 08) what is???

picasaweb.google.com/.../searchbrowse

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Can't see any proof.  What else?  A PILLOW.

The link to photo that sara provides (12:04 PM) shows what Palin REALLY looks like when she is pregnant. If this story is true, this will go down as the greatest blunder in political history. It might do so anyway. They say that the most important decision a candidate makes is the choice of a VP running mate. This shows McCain's character. Image is more important than the good of the country. His slogan should be "Country Last"

Your link doesn't work...and all the other ''proof'' pictures are from the back of her wearing an open jacket with a scarf...but she still isn't showing for being in the third trimester.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a  duck...guess what it is?

As someone who was on the fence this choice pushed me straight to Obama/Biden.  I have nothing but respect and admiration for a woman who accepts the responsibility of a Down syndrome child when she becomes pregnant.  However, that choice seems to preclude the acceptance of even MORE responsibility and stress in your life.  Every grownup woman knows - you can't do it all.  Someone is going to suffer for this choice and it looks like it's little Trig Palin to me.  

You all got to see this link. This is what a pregnant Palin looks like. This is proof! news.yahoo.com/.../529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d

I think speculating about "to be or not to be" pregnancies, based on photos is a waste of time.  Because it is what it is...and that is speculation. It's more responsible and productive to look for any facts...such as hospital records, flight times etc. Determine the truth based on facts. Then look at the candidates judgement calls.

First I'd like to say I am an MD.

This story sounds very shady or highly irresponsible.  A woman who has had 4 previous children can deliver very quickly after the loss of the amniotic fluid(water breaking). To take a 11 hr flight is irresponsible especially since the child was a known down syndrome child. If the baby would have had to been delivered on the plane it could have been a disaster, as DS children have multiple abnormalities and can have distress at birth. They are considers a higher risk delivery. If a woman is close term they are advised not to travel by plane. Also, they would never be advised to travel after their "water breaking". If your "water breaks" a woman is told to go to the hospital. In primigravid woman(1st baby) they dilate slower in most cases(1-1,5 cm/hr) so it is not a mad dash, but most act that way out of excitement and apprehension. In a muligravid woman(4 in her case) there is no way an OB would recommend travel especially with a potentially distressed delivery of a Down Syndrome baby. Multigravitous women usaull dialte at 2-2.5cm/he which means total dilation in less than 5hrs. Her flight was 11 hrs which means this was very risky.

This is either a cover up or Ms. Palin was highly irresponsible in her actions.

John- Re: the Yahoo photo. Palin is on the left; the obviously pregnant woman is the current Mayor of Wasilla.

The problem with this story is is that either while she may have knowingly brought a Down Syndrome child into the world, she may not have willingly done so when you take into account that after her water broke 1 MONTH early she proceeded to give a speech at a convention in TEXAS and then catch a plane to Seattle and catch another plane to Alaska and then drive 45 minutes to a hospital which was under equipped to handle premature births.

That is poor Judgment, unless you consider negligence of the premature birth of a knowingly down syndrome child good decision making.

That's assuming she is telling the truth.

Talking about photos might have to give her credit for one thing.  I bet she's better with a gun then Cheney.  She might even know when to point one.

Sarah Palin is an empty dress.

Uhh..Quota VP...I think the discussion was that she was either using a pillow or was pg. Don't think the dress was "empty". ;)

No. The caption says Sara Palin pregnant in Wasilla. That's posted by the Heath family. That's her! news.yahoo.com/.../529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d

Wow...I would think a woman carrying her 5th child would be more responsible to not board an 11 hour flight? why didn't she just deliver there? I don't know if her pregnancy is a hoax, but I certainly question her parental responsibilities. Or is this just her way of 'dealing' with the baby. I don't know what to say about this other than it's way too political of her to put her job before motherhood. Radical? Not sure...irresponsible? Likely.

My mom gained heavily with her first 3 children and barely looked pregnant when she delivered her fourth. She was too busy to indulge all her pregnancy cravings and had learned that she didn't need to eat enough for 5 people just because she was pregnant. Lots of women make the mistake of gaining 70+ lbs with their first or second and stay in a healthier range with later pregnancies. Just becaue she was enormous with previous pregnancies doesn't mean she looked the same with all of them.

Flying while over 7 months is endangering an infant due to compromise in Oxygen levels. Flying while in labor when detachment of the placenta has started is absolutely out of question.

Whatever reasons she is giving, this is not an act of heroism but untold negligence. Worse if there is a veneer of a political statement.

I actually think it was her way with dealing with having a Down's child. I don't see a lot of concern for the baby.

At the end of the day, if this is true, the issue would be that the governor conspired with some other folks to issue a false birth certificate- a legal document issued by the state she governs.  That's a much bigger problem (if true) than Sen. Eagleton being treated for depression, which forced him off the ticket in 1972.  It's a crime.

But didn't she elope with Todd because she was pregnant with Track?

I feel sorry for her daughter and the fact that people are smearing her family. I myself am the same age as Bristol and keep myself in very good shape. Trust me, I know what my figure looks like. All teenage girls do, that is just the way it is, unfortunately.

I hate to tell you folks, but almost a third of the other girls I go to school with have these so called "baby-bumps." Many of my friends are built just like she is in these pictures, which were taken back in late 2006 when her mother was elected into office as governor. And you know what?

None of them are pregnant.

Some girls just naturally have a little bit of extra tummy-fat. That's the way it is. If an adult pointed out every girl they saw with a "baby-bump" then about one-in-four girls at my school would be accused of being pregnant. Everyone is built different, whether pregnant or not.

Besides, if my calculus-overwhelmed mind can still do simple addition and subtraction, then Palin's daughter being pregnant in that picture and then giving birth in April of 2008 would simply be impossible.

Or a freak of nature.

And we teenage girls often wears jeans that are just a tad tighter than what is normally considered comfortable, and then wear shirts that are either tight or make us look rather pregnant. This has been the style for the last two years or so. And the combination of tight jeans with a rather skin-forming shirt will often result in a slight "bulge" along the bottom of our waistlines. This is normal!!

And has anyone ever heard of padded bras? I would say that almost half the girls I know at school wear them. When I look at that picture of Bristol Palin, I see a girl who is built very similar to myself and many of my friends.

Besides, I don't know what most of you adults think, but us teenagers are not that surprised when we see a pregnant girl at school. There are at least three at mine. And there are also a small number of kids who are absent from school for extended periods of time. Most of us don't even think twice about it.

And since they live in a frigid climate like Alaska, I would not find it surprising in the least if quite a few kids have had to take extended absences. One of my friends had a severe case of mono last winter (I'm sure Alaskan winters are even worse than Minnesotan winters) and was out of school for almost three months. I'm sure they would be even more careful about any long-term illnesses in a place like Alaska.

I've even read where people are saying that they saw her daughter wearing a wedding band in a recent picture. Here's another revelation to people: many teenage girls wear rings on their left ring finger. I wear my class ring on my left ring finger and so do many of my friends. It's typical and no teenager even thinks twice about it.

Also, what's wrong with a much older sister carrying her baby brother. My little brother is much younger than me and I loved to carry him around when he was under one year of age. Truthfully, I was better at it than my own father was and I'm guessing that's because my sisterly-maternal instincts kicked in. He sure as hell wasn't my kid though. There are many teenagers out there like my older brother and I who were in our teens when our little brothers or sisters were born. And for a teenage girl, having a baby sibling in the house can be both exciting and exhausting.

But, boy, do we love to carry the little tykes around.

And as for Sarah Palin going into labor in Texas, my mother always tells other expecting mothers how she had started leaking amniotic fluid almost five days before she went into actual labor with me. She also enjoys telling everyone how she then had me in less than three hours and how I was over 10 pounds too. My mother also continued to workout until she was well into her eighth month. I was not her first baby and she knew her body well enough to know what she could and could not do.

And like Alaskan mothers, many Minnesotan mothers live a good distance from hospitals or clinics. My godmother is from Alaska and she told me once that her mother, who lived in a remote village over a hundred miles west of Anchorage, had to fly in a plane in order to deliver one of her sons who was a high-risk baby. Traveling great distances to give birth or to go to the doctor is not unheard of in many of the northern territories of Canada, Alaska, and even states such as Montana and Minnesota.

My aunt just recently had her sixth baby (an "oops" baby, but who cares, he's adorable) at the age of 42. In a state like Minnesota where it's often below freezing for many long months at a time, it can frequently be rather hard to tell if a woman is pregnant during the fall, winter, and spring months due to the sheer amount of clothes you have to wear to stay warm. My aunt did not put on a lot of weight during her pregnancy with Kent and if she had not told everyone she was pregnant, I'm sure quite a few people never would have even noticed until her seventh or eighth month due to the heavy clothes she wore when outside or in public.

The same could easily be said of Sarah Palin, who lives in freezing Alaska.  

Many people have already pointed out how Sarah Palin's older age could have easily influenced baby Trig's chances of being born with Down Syndrome. A woman 45 or older has a 1 in 20 chance of having a baby with Downs. You learn that early on in any genetics class. And albeit women younger than 35 make 80% of mothers who have children with Downs, this age group is also much more fertile, producing the majority of children, than women from an older age bracket. The chances of a teenage girl having a baby with Downs is less than 1 in 1500 at least.

My opinion: don't bash until you know the facts.

One of the worst things that can happen to a teenage girl is to be accused of being pregnant when you really are not/were not, especially when said rumors do not hold true to facts. As a fellow teenage girl and older sister, I feel nothing but sympathy for Bristol and her adorable little brother.

Here's an update picture. This is from the McCain sites biography pics of when she WAS pregnant (with an earlier child) Slightly different?

members.aol.com/.../pregnantpalin.jpg

Just because she didn't gain and look like a huge pregnant woman doesn't mean she wasn't pregnant!  With my son(first pregnancy) I was HUGE, with my second pregnancy, I was half the size, and then when I had triplets last year, I only got as big as with my second pregnancy!  Just because it is a subsequent pregnancy doesn't automatically mean you will gain more weight!  Just because some gain too much weight and waddle when they are pregnant and don't continue to stay active doesn't mean every other pregnant person is like that.  If you read articles, when she was mayor and had her third daughter on a Monday, she was back at work TUESDAY!  

And, where do you get that she is 'leaving her child to be the VP'?  I have yet to hear of her going to anyplace without Trig being with her.  And, what older sister doesn't help take care of younger siblings?  

This is not a scandal, people!

I'm sure the Governor will consent to a DNA test to put the matter to bed very swiftly.  Even religious belief gives way in the face of science these days. Thank your god for that - whomever she may be.

The group picture without Track states his age at 17.  He was 18 last year when he enlisted so this photo, if the ages are accurate, was taken last year.  Another aspect of this story, the mono excuse.  Mono doesn't last 7 months.  A few weeks at most is all I can find after looking at numerous medical sites.  Seven months would be some kind of medical record.  Flying after your water broke on a mulit-stop, long distance flight would be coming pretty close to extremely reckless behavior, if not actually crossing the line especially having full knowledge of the special circumstances involved.  And then not going immediately to an Anchorage hospital where her doctor could easily have met her, but driving another 45 minutes by car to a small local hospital is added to the list of very strange circumstances here.  It could all be put to rest quite easily with DNA testing.  Although I would be will to bet the farm that that will never happen.  And to the posters that think it's a win win for her if the rumors prove to true, how can lying repeatedly and using her child's situation for political advantage be considered a good thing?  If this proves to be true and she's been lying for months now to her constituents to hide the fact that her daughter didn't practice abstinence because it would embarrass the governor, she would be hounded off the ticket.  Sometimes you have to live with the lumps life deals us and not lie to give a false image of the perfect christian family.

I can't believe the "Bristol Story" from the perspective of Palin knowing the story could/would blow up in her face, yet accepting the VP nod anyway (with McCain and the GOP as collateral damage).  For now, I believe the other: she is the mother and showed extremely poor judgment by "flying while leaking" – hmnnnn … so it's blowing up in her face after all(with McCain and the GOP as collateral damage).  I feel sad for all involved ... yet GIDDY.

Having your cake and eating it too is pretty much the entire MO of the Republican party.  We want to be leaders in the world, but we don't want our children to learn about science.  We want no abortion, but we'll gladly kill any criminal or hero soldier at the drop of our President's hat.  And God forbid we get robbed by some child born to a crack-addicted mother who was raised on the streets.  

If you want to espouse family values and pro-life propaganda: When your daughter gets knocked up, you take one for the team.  Turn lemons into lemonade.  

Oh, as a small-town boy myself, the baby probably has DS because of the activities that go along with being 16 and living in a boring-as-hell place like ALASKA.  I don't know about you, but when I was 16 there were three things to do: smoking, drinking and ****ing.

I am wondering about their son. I find it interesting that he is not around for this announcement. Maybe we will meet him. I hope that this is not a case of incest (Track and Bristol) and they had to get him out of the way incase he starts to spill his guts.

Timing is interesting. He left to join the army on september 11, maybe after they found out that Bristol was pregnant. He is shipped off and she suddenly got mono and can't go to school when she starts showing.

well said, JDL51.

while i cannot argue the fact that taking on the responsibility of raising your special needs grandchild to protect your teenage daughter, while upholding your anti-abortion beliefs, is admirable....what is puzzling to me is why lie about it? why not just shoot straight? at the very least, you come off looking like a mother with a strong sense of family, who stepped up to the plate and did what she had to do. but faking a pregnancy, and staging such a cover-up just leaves her looking like a big fat liar. not someone who could be trusted to assume the position of VP and help lead this nation.

and the evidence, circumstantial or not, is pretty compelling. i have looked at EVERY photo, and there is not one shred of evidence that she was in fact pregnant. each photo simply shows her wearing oversized clothes, or it's a view from behind. the photo of Bristol with the "baby bump" is a bit more convincing, given the time line. not to mention the extended absence for mono. i actually HAD mono in college and i was only out of school for 2 weeks. that to me is cause for question. and i won't even go there on the absolute idiocy of flying under those pregnant circumstances.

this is of major cause for concern, i think.

wow, aquarius.... now THAT's a conspiracy theory. good lord...hadn't even considered that.

even if untrue palin shouldve forseen the prospect of speculation with a teen daughter hidden from public view months befor a "New family addition".  she's clearly to self involved or vain to either not hide the preg or at least take steps to look preg if she wasnt.  

also is it possible the baby is retarded and not spefically down sydrom? either way there are high incidents of both in teen moms.

lastly, if bristol was too sick to be in school why/where is she out driving around on her own?

This is moral, ethical and legal matter.  more teen childten of pro abstinence parents become pregnant than those of non ab households.  Laws would have been broken here and to say it was done in the daughterd best interest is midevil throwback mentality.  

oh, i don't think it was done in the daughter's best interest at all. i think it was perhaps a forced decision on the part of Palin to TRY and protect the image of not only her family but her political career.

definitely not in the best interest of anyone.

This photo of "pregnant" Bristol was allegedly from 2007, but the photo was taken in 2006.  The baby was born April 18, 2008.  This might be the longest pregnancy is history.

This person saw her right before she gave birth.  Can't see the stomach.

www.polartrec.com/.../3944

JDL51 - a big "amen" to your statement, pal.

This is absolutely reprehensible no matter which way the dice fall and which story is correct.  Either way, that 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling just turned into 8.  The ice has frozen back over and it's going to be a really sad week in American political history.  

And tell me the timing of Gustav isn't a very sad awakening to the Repubs of their denial of global warming.  Wake Up, party!  Your convention is being turned off because something in the environment is shaking you up.

Gustav and babygate. what more?

This rumor is ridiculous.  Where was this baby born?  At home, without anyone but family present?  Because that's the only way someone as public as a governor could pull this off.  If Trig was born in a hospital, there were lots of people around who would notice if the woman giving birth was anyone other than Sarah Palin.  

I'm insulted that McCain picked someone so inexperienced and thought that Hillary supporters would jump on board, but I don't believe this rumor for a second.

"This photo of "pregnant" Bristol was allegedly from 2007, but the photo was taken in 2006."

Someone claims the photo was originally captioned as 2007, then recently changed to 2006. Any proof?

The www.polartrec.com/.../3944 is not convincing. The news was out that the governer was pregnant so the woman stating that the governer was pregnant could have been from her knowledge of news, not observation.

aquarius...wow that is great

The photo www.polartrec.com/.../3944 of the trekker and Palin is dated April 27, 2008; 8 days after the reported delivery date of Trig. Palin looks pretty good for only having 8 days of postpartum recovery. Someone should open a website with all the photos with documentation of when they were taken.

Or Or!! Maybe,just Maybe she has a teenager with a small weight problem, and the baby is in fact Sarah's.

Are you telling me the woman in this picture, with the maternity suit and the bloated face is not pregnant?

images.google.com/imgres

Dear  McLame Mansions,  

I did as you suggested and went to that In Communion website at:

incommunion.org/.../the-sign-of-the-cross

or

http://tinyurl.com/6s3kne

Maybe you didn't read all the way to the bottom of the article, but if you do you will see in the Editor's note that it seems that the story is the result of the faulty memory of Fr. Luke Veronis.  Here is the Editor's note for you to review:

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"Editor’s note: In August 2008, I asked Fr Luke Veronis where he got the cross-in-the-dirt story. He replied: “I thought that I had read the story about Solzhenitsyn in The Gulag Archipelago, but now, after researching it, I realize that I read it in a book by Charles Colson, Loving God, published by Zondervan in 1983. Colson says the story was told by Solzhenitsyn at a meeting with a group of Christian leaders back in 1975 or so.”

According to Michael Scammell, author of Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, the cross-in-the-dirt episode never happened. There is no reference to such an event in any of Solzhenitsyn’s published writings. Scammell’s biography of Solzhenitsyn, published in 1984, includes a substantial section on Solzhenitsyn’s life up to 1982, but includes no mention of a meeting with a group of Christian leaders in the mid-70s.  – Jim Forest, editor, In Communion"

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So it seems that the Daily Kos folks got it wrong when they said that Senator McCain stole the story from Solzenitsyn.  I suspect that they are also wrong on this Sarah Palin baby matter.  

You know, I read the Daily Kos regularly because I share some of their political views.  But there sure are a lot of foul-mouthed, hate-filled people in that community.  And they distort the truth and lie merely for political advantage.  How sad is that?

It seems to me that the ethical question is the other way around. If Mrs Palin covered up her daughter's pregnancy, that's a mother defending her child. Nothing wrong with that. But if she was pregnant herself, and took an airplane knowing that there was a 50/50 chance of delivering during the flight, what's more of a baby who could need urgent medical care, then she's totally irresponsible.

After all the Swift Boat lies on the "Whisper Internet" that Obama has had to endure, some credible journalism needs be to done first.

If the above photo was really taken at 7+ months, if the daughter really missed months of school at the same time, if Palin really did continue a speech and then caught a plane after her water broke (and then how does the flight times compare with the delivery time?), this needs to be investigated. But most of all, this would require a cover up by the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center. I hope credible journalists will look into this as they have with Obama.

Because, with all that said, this would be very a very important revelation. Not just in regard to dishonesty, but in regard to Palin's social conservative positions and standing. This is a woman who is against birth control, and probably feels the only sex education needed is to teach abstinence. Teen pregnancies are exactly why this position is wrong.

But please, let's get the facts people.

For those who are wondering how she kept hospital staff from blabbing the secret a) she (sarah palin) has a reputation for trying to destroy careers of those who cross her or her family (see troopergate)

b) I did not show id when I was admitted to the hospital when in labor. Guess it is assumed that nobody would lie about who they are when giving birth

c) nurses never asked for my id before giving me my baby(though usually they checked wrist band)or pushing kid out.

Regarding the alleged photo of the family either in 2008 or 2006; the youngest daughter, Piper 7, looks almost exactly the same in both photos and even at the recent McCain-Palin announcement, Piper looks the same. I doubt she looked the same in 2006 when she was 5.

Hans, a mother covering up for her child?  If that was all it was (if that's the real story).

But what of the reasoning behind lying to your constituency let alone the American people when you get on the world stage (not Alaska's) and explain your pro-life stance with your DS baby as the example?  THAT is unconscionable by a public figure.  

Yet, the truth is, we Americans have come to expect lies from the people who represent us, and I'm not just talking about Bush-Cheney.  The Dems do it too.  It's on both sides of the aisle.

Mother protecting her child is one thing.  Mother protecting her political standing and Christian "image" is quite another.

Mono doesn't keep you out of school for 4-5 months.  At the most, it will knock out the unhealthiest of kids for a couple weeks.  It's called the kissing disease because it usually spreads through saliva --- so as long as the kid doesn't kiss or slobber all over everyone, there is no reason to keep her home from school for that long.  

Whatever happened here, every detail from both sides shows that this lady is a horrible excuse for a mother.  She gives pro-lifers a bad name.  

McCain looks really desperate here.  

Judgment and poor behavior is the issue here not some sleaze mongering.

The issue is not dead and in fact new facts emerged today and are covered in this comprehensive review of the entire situation:

www.politicalbase.com/.../&blogId=3422

There are real issues here that need answering

mccain didn't start telling his cross story for like a decade or two  after the war.  he also stopped telling the story after it was widely noted that it was unoriginal.  Kos wasn't the first or last to shine a light on that made for hollywood flashback.  do ur homework.

My bad on the date of the trekker's photo...so reading more carefully, the airport picture is from March 2008 when Palin is 8 months pregnant. My point would change to her face doesn't look like that of an 8 month pregnant woman.

I heard that Bristol is homeschooled anyway.......

www.associatedcontent.com/.../vp_candidate_sarah_palin_pregnancy.html

Look at all the desperate Republicans trying to defend this woman. If she were the Democratic VP candidate they'd be ripping her to sheds. Even if the baby is hers, she's nuts to have boarded a plane for a long flight with her water broken. Any doc who told her that was ok is a quack. Bad choice, so your darling dim bulb does not get my vote. Sorry, elephants!

The baby bump picture is really questionable. People thought I was pregnant frequently when I was a 108 lb 5'5" teenager and it had more to do with the clothes I had on or the way i was standing at the time.

It is; however, a seriously questionable act to fly in that condition at that time. I'm a doula, and I know that, for an md to recommend it would be seriously rare (though possible) but reckless on the parts of both the doctor and the parents. (See the md's statement above)

If they really went to a small town hospital an extra hour away, the doctor should have definitely met her and driven her considering the high risk involved with the flight, that way they could have gone to the hospital. With four children and being an educated (I assume?) woman Sarah Palin should have known that.

The only reasons this even matters is because she was chosen by McCain to intice the votes of the Clinton support who would, in his opinion, vote for any female they see. I hope other women don't make us look bad by swinging that way, it's really disgusting behaivior and would reinforce male superiority bs. Like the stuff from before we got to vote.

My God.  She must have doused everyone on the plane with her "broken water" and the baby must have had its head sticking out while trying to catch its first breath. That was a big price to pay for having one's baby born in Alaska.  It doesn't add up, and I sure hope no one else takes a 12-hour flight when their water breaks.  Somehow this story doesn't sound believable.

The Anchorage Daily News reported that Trig Palin was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center on April 18:

www.adn.com/.../380134.html

Why isn't the birth shown on Mat-Su's online records for April 18?

www.matsuregional.com/.../show_day.php

so, how come everyone is blasting this woman for being a working mom going back to work after the birth of her child while her HUSBAND takes care of the baby? and....I read that she breastfed the baby bringing him to the office with her.

you don't usually breastfeed another persons baby and why don't people get all up in arms about a MAN going back to work as soon as HIS baby is born, leaving his wife to care for the baby?

what about Obama running for office when he is the father of two little girls? shouldnt he be staying home helping take care of them?

such mean spirited, narrow minded people. you must be democrats.

Rabbler has a good point; is there a birth certificate record? An Alaska BCR can only be ordered by a parent or the person themselves.

hahaha Kim D. remember that totally unsubstantiated story regarding the parentage/ethnicity of McCains daughter?  started by the Bush campaign a la carl rove?  that was done with a lot of love I'm sure.

I am a nurse and there is no way this was her 5th pregnancy and she stayed in labor 11 to 12 hours downs syndrome or not. With a fifth child you cough too hard and the baby is on the floor.  And for as touting her good praises for keeping a down's syndrome child, I have friends that are raising down's children. I had a child at 39 and was checked for down's and made the decision if the child came out with 3 toes and 2 heads my husband and I were going to keep it.  And if my 19 year old unwed daughter had gotten pregnant she would have to deal with it, with our help.  Not with lies and cover-ups.  The truth always comes to the light.

I am a nurse and there is no way this was her 5th pregnancy and she stayed in labor 11 to 12 hours downs syndrome or not. With a fifth child you cough too hard and the baby is on the floor.  And for as touting her good praises for keeping a down's syndrome child, I have friends that are raising down's children. I had a child at 39 and was checked for down's and made the decision if the child came out with 3 toes and 2 heads my husband and I were going to keep it.  And if my 19 year old unwed daughter had gotten pregnant she would have to deal with it, with our help.  Not with lies and cover-ups.  The truth always comes to the light.

Kim D. sorry to disappoint you, there are medications that you can take that can cause lactation (milk production) without a woman ever being pregnant.

Daily K0S and Newsvine and whoever else is running this story ... if this is a rumor, why are you publishing it? Do you also publish rumors about Obama ... like Obama being a muslim? It sounds like the kind of malicious reporting one would find in the National Enquirer. I wrongly assumed it would be beneath the journalistic integrity of these blogs. ... or, are they in the tank for Obama? I hope this story comes back to bite these smear mongers in the ass.

to Kim D -

It's one thing to have one or two kids and run for President or VP, it's something else completely to have 5 kids (one of whom has DS) and run for VP.

You sound like a stuck up bitch, you must be a Republican!  hahaha . . . I can play too!

You don't just "take medication" to start lacting without giving birth. It is a months long process that requires medication, teas, supplements, and pumping on a very strict schedule. As busy as she is, she would have just formula fed instead of going through all that trouble to lactate.

Danetta - Who are you to say that all women's fifth time to give birth are so easy and quick. I know a woman who has 9 children and her latest labor/delivery took 17 hours.

At least in the state that I live in a birth certificate requires a sworn statement, both from the parents and the attending physician or midwife. So if the child isn't Sarah and Todd's, and if they swore that it was, then they've made a false statement under oath.

If she, as small-town girl made good governor persuaded a small town GP to sign off on a screwy birth certificate, that is some derivative of suborning perjury.

As far as the technical difficulty of switching babies goes...In my small town of 6,000 in rural Maine the local hospital has birthing rooms, and throughout the labor there's only one nurse in charge of the whole show, until the doctor shows up for the delivery. In a small town it wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to find a nurse to turn her back at the opportune moment. Getting them to keep their mouths shut under the full weight of media scrutiny might be another thing.

The way this rumor is spreading it will have to be addressed at some point by the Palins. I kinda of doubt it is true but it it is a sign of the scrutiny this unknown person will face over the next few weeks. Question is, can her and her family handle it?

Kids do the darndest things !  I don't see why this should be a matter for public scrutiny.  It is not hypocrisy since whoever's child it was they did not abort it.  

No bottle feeding if your in the biggest cover-up of your life

I think she's shown herself to be too vain to take lactation medication.  that doesn't mean we just take her word that she's breastfeeding.  she's also reffered to feeding the baby breastmilk.

FYI Howard, speculation is not the same as circumstantial evidence.  Most criminal court cases are won on circumstantial evidence.  unsubstantiated speculation is what rumor mongers who eat their own like carl rove are willing to engage in.  

mommy1 it takes a month at the most after taking the right doses of hormones to start lactating.  Get in the real world

Got this from another blog.  The person that took the picture posted it.   Best picture of her CLEARLY pregnant.  

www.flickr.com/.../2814199887

Now everyone stop this rumor stuff.  There is a real 16 year old girl that is getting trashed here for no reason.  

Check this out. Archive.org has, essentially, an archive of the internet.

<a href="web.archive.org/.../large_photo.php is supposed to show a photo of Gov. Palin welcoming Alaskans to the mansion in December 2007. Instead it is a blank, dead link. Another link to enlarge the photo takes you to former governor Frank Murkowski getting a flu shot back in 2004.

I'd say someone's trying to hide something.

And to the person calling the rest of us stupid by linking to a later pic where Palin appears pregnant, it would make sense that eventually she'd start wearing a preg-suit.

Not ask for an ID???  GET REAL....they DON'T wheel an alert, pregnant ready to deliver woman into the hospital and not ask AND verify who she is!!  Thats the first thing they ask so they know where to send the bill!!

rob d good try the picture was taken march 19,2005.  try again

rob d good try the picture was taken march 19,2005.  try again

Kim D - one does not usually breastfeed another baby? http://www.asklenore.info/

It is also not usual for a woman to become VP. It is also not usual for a former beauty contestant to be VP. See, just because something is not usual does not mean it isn't possible.

Actually it is not that unusual as it is often done when a baby is adopted or had a surrogate mother.

BTW- just because someone does not agree with Palin going to work and leaving baby with pa does not make them cruel. It is called a difference of opinion Kim, not cruelty.

Cruelty: an act that deliberately causes pain and distress

Are you in disress or in pain over others opinions?

loreli3:

You get real.I said not asked for id did not say they did not ask who the heck I was. I just brought my adult teen into the emegency room few weeks ago and they did not ask either of us for an id they did ask for soc. sec. number, address, etc.

those in the medical field could loose their license and worse if they were to discuss this without the palins direct consent.  there are docs who won't perscribe birth control, I'm sure their family dr is of their own ilk and would be a willing collaborator. esp since he she is protected by patient confedentiality to not disscuss.  

Rob if she was so clearly preg then why was everyone she worked with that was interviewed by ADN found the news almost unbelivable?  

Chelsea clinton had to endure a lot worse.  If bristols parents are half as good as chelseas I'm sur shell be fine.  If her mother did in fact cover up her pregnancy then child services needs to be involved.    

Well....

As a non-democrat (registered independent), I thought I would google what's being said in rumors and smears.

Frankly, it's usually gloves-off when it comes to the candidates themselves, They are almost always fair game for ridiculous smear campaigns, I'm finding the level of the democrat base at smearing a 16 year-old girl a phenomenal new low!

Cannot you simply stick to the issues and not create something just to abuse and debase an innocent young girl or do you have to just drag anyone and everyone down just to further your own political agenda?

fact- she was leaking amniotic fluid, which is not an uncommon event, the water did not break.  She was not in labor, only having contractions- very common in the last couple months of pregnancy.

If this is the level of intelligence of the democratic party in general, I really am going to look closer at not voting for Paul.

That picture was taken in 2005

I'm an agnostic and a Democrat, but I don't see any reason why, if Sarah helped her daughter by accepting her baby as her own.....or not....that it would disqualify her for Vice President.  That's her personal business.  I personally don't think she's qualified, but not because of this potentially being true.

Scotty

Folks, THIS is what Sarah Palin looks like eight months pregnant:

d.yimg.com/.../capt.529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d.veepstakes_palin_ak516.jpg

This was her first child.  Women who've already been pregnant show sooner and grow larger with each successive pregnancy.

If this is what she looked like with her first, there's no way those shots of her at that convention are credibly pregnant.  Nor is it likely that the flight attendants would say she didn't look pregnant.  Plus no doctor in his/her right mind would risk malpractice by telling a woman in labor with a high risk pregnancy to get on a plan for what turned out to be an 11 hour flight.   And this is not the left wing blogosphere either - these rumors have been swirling in the Alaskan media and legislature for months.

Howard: This is not a daily kos nor liberal conspiracy.  Local papers in Alaska have been reporting rumors and speculation for months.  Don't be mad at liberals.  Be mad at McCain for selected an unqualified, unvetted candidate.  He putting Campaign First and Country Last.  

Ron Paul's website has two screen shots showing that the Anchorage paper changed the dates on the photo in question.

www.ronpaulwarroom.com

kesh and mommy:  Medication along with pumping allows women to lactate that haven't given birth.  I have a church member with a adopted child from China and she is nursing the baby.  

who asked for your vote

Wow, this is an amazing rumor/story.  We need to get to the bottom of this!

mj you are barking up the wrong tree I already knew this.

Rob D - the link to that photo is compelling. So if her pregnancy was real and not a hoax or cover-up, she showed a terrible lack of judgment by choosing to fly after leaking fluid and then more poor judgment choosing to drive to a hospital that was further away - all while in labor.

Someone should ask for Michelle Duggar's opinion on the possibility of 11+hours of labor with #5.

DG are u saying that if a crime was commited it should be overlooked if it involves a minor?  I can't disagree more.  

If you want to be angry with somone, be angry at McCain who didn't vet Palin before bringing her family into the big league.  Washington monthly is reporting that no one from mccains camp even went trough pat issues of Palins local paper (they know this because the archive is not digital or online so requests go directly to the paper).  

Tell McCain he didn't do his job protecting the innocent and well do ours by questioning hypocracies that affect the future of OUR childen.

chekc this very pregnant Palin pic out. She does not look liek this in any of the Trig pregnancy pics.

news.yahoo.com/.../529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d

The photo is obviously a posed family portrait.  Now, if Sarah Palin was trying to hide her 16-year-old daughter's pregnancy, why would she allow that daughter to wear a tight sweater for the photo?  

That's the problem with Democrats.  They form opinions first, then warp the facts to fit them later.  

Why not start a rumor that Sarah's husband was pregnant?  We've already seen one pregnant "man" this year.

First if you read anything wroth while. She fired the trooper and the other guy. Because he tried the step son.  Yes he stun gunned the kid.  Now if you want that trooper around people then knock yourselves out.

Most of you know NOTHING about Down syndrome. So since I have a three year old with it.  And it was a prenatal diagnosis and I had my little joy anyway. Let me enlighten you.

First yes 80% of babies with Down syndrome are born to younger mothers.  HOWEVER, it is extremely rare to have a teenager have a child with Down syndrome. It does happen yes and I know one.  Also there is a 2+ year waiting list to adopt these children.  They are VERY in demand by couples.  So whatever idiot posted that they could not adopt it out was talking through his butt.

www.washingtontimes.com/.../20060212-112732-6787r

Women under age 23—1 in 2,000 births

Women at age 30—1 in 1,300 births

Women at age 35—1 in 400 births

Women at age 40—1 in 90 births

Women at age 45—1 in 32 births

Women at age 50—1 in 8 births

That being said.  She looked pregnant on a number of those photos.  My sister who weighs 90lbs soaking wet on a good day had a bump at best when she was 8 months pregnant and gave birth to a 6lb baby looking nothing but chubby at best.  Then after she gave birth a week later slide right back into her size 0 jeans.

Palin also is breast feeding so unless she has a milk supply left from her 7 year old it is her kid. Knock off the crappy people.  You don't have to like her. But you don't have to hurt her and her children either.

If Palin was actually pregnant with her precious son, she demonstrated reckless behavior and a total disregard for the life of her son in a risky delivery while promoting her career and pumping up her ego. If she wasn't pregnant, she is a bold faced liar and calls into question her credibility.

One thing I heard was that Trig was a 6 pound preemie. isn't that rather big for a premature baby?

Also th epicture is rather telling but not in the way everyone thinks. look how Bristol is positioned - not in her parents loving embrace and not with the big smile her sisters and mom have. It looks as if the family is shunning her in some way . A true family picture would be if Gov. Palin had her daughter in the middle next to the other two. Look we all believed John Edwards to be a loyal, caring husband and look what happened. It wouldn't surprise me if little Trig was Bristol's . Actually I thought he could have been McCain's and Palin's. Now that's a story for The Enquirer!!!

Orion, your comment about this author's blog (www.polartrec.com/.../3944) saying that Palin was pregnant is taken out of context.  The author said:  "Of course I had to check out the “Hottest Governor in the US” and quickly turned to see her pregnant (she has since had her baby) with bags and daughter in tote."  "Pregnant with bags" is a whole lot different than being pregnant with a child.  Try actually reading it next time.

@Kesh: I can see that on the Flickr metadata... what confuses me is that Palin wasn't pregnant two and a half years ago... so what gives?  

Photo metadata can be edited - either way, forward or back - so I'd say to date this photo correctly, you'd need to talk to the reporter in the photo, etc.

Of course, even if that all pans out - if this were a coverup, then it could be a pillow, or a fancier version of the same thing.

What I'm wondering is, can members of her staff talk about her having morning sickness, etc.? I know this can be reduced in later pregnancies, but not eliminated, surely?

There were pictures on her on the alaska gov site that disappeared to dead link. ALl of a sudden the pictures aren't there any longer

by the way how old is her youngest child??

news.yahoo.com/.../529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d

Okay, if this really is Ms. Palin on the right (it's impossible to say who's on the left, since she's completely faced away from the camera and hiding her belly), uh, doesn't her hair and glasses suggest it's the late '80s, and while she's obviously pregnant, it's probably Track in there, not Trig?  She obviously has straight hair and different glasses now.

I had mono in my early teens (1960's) and was home for 5 months.  Also we don't have a clue where I got the "kissing disease" because at that age I had no boyfriend in any way , shape or form.   The mono was confirmed with blood worl

Rob D. (7.23 p.m.) www.flickr.com/.../2814199887 suggests photo taken on March 19, 2005  (see under "additional information").  Someone, please clarify.

As much as I detest damaging unsubstantiated rumors, the pieces of this puzzle do not add up.  The most damaging fact is that an educated, 44 year old woman, supposedly pregnant with her 5th child (high risk DS baby), opted to stay in TX to give a 30 minutes speech AFTER her water ruptured and then proceeded to fly hours and then drove to her small town medical center not equipped to handle premature births.  It just doesn't compute.  Whether or not the rumor about the mother of the baby is true, this total lack of judgment that could have had a fatal result during the long flight is really unbelievable for an average woman... let alone the VP candidate who is a heartbeat away from the president.  This is going to explode....

John's comment nailed it.  

If Bristol Palin was pregnant, and if Governor Palin was trying to hide Bristol's pregnancy, Governor Palin would not have allowed her to wear a tight sweater in a posed photo.  

Case closed.

Take your anti-Republican prejudices elsewhere. You look foolish purshing this.

Breaking: Todd Palin confesses to impregnating his daughter and wife had covered it up.

Delivering a premature baby at home is also very dangerous for mother and child!

CNN just confirmed. The husband has been arrested for child abuse after daughter decided to press charges.

Obama's statement as follows: "This decision by Mr. Mccain to pick a unvetted candidate reveals the true face of the republican party".

there's no record of the baby on hospital website weirder and weirder the story gets.

www.matsuregional.com/.../show_day.php

Does anyone know if Bristol was present when her mom gave birth?

If Bristol is the mother, who is the father?

Disclosure: I'm pro-Obama.

Comment: While reading this fascinating thread I was reminded of the fake memos that were fed to CBS News 2 months before the 2004 election.  

(See en.wikipedia.org/.../Rathergate.)

The fake memos were easily exposed, and the "liberal media" discredited.  The upshot?  George Bush's shameful abandonment of his military duty--which was already of record and not denied--got overshadowed by the controversy over the fake memos, and at least some of the electorate were deceived into sympathising with Bush over the affair.

I don't have any inside information about who fed CBS the fake memos in 2004, but I know who profited from it.  Over the past 20-plus years the Republicans have so out-hustled the Democrats that it's embarrassing.  You have to give Karl Rove his due, though he's debased the political process ever since his apprenticeship with Donald Segretti in 1972.  Through gambits such as putting gay-marriage initiatives on state ballots and fanning the fires of religious fanaticism Mr. Rove showed how the electorate could be splintered and the worst president in US history elected, twice.

So back to this fascinating thread: It's true that if Sarah Palin is not baby Trig's mother it would be relevant to her fitness for high office.  Quite apart from baby Trig's parentage, it's scandalous that Mr. McCain would invite voters to put a person as inexperienced and unqualified as Ms. Palin in the vice-presidency.  But let's not forget:

1. You can stare at the pictures till you're blind and never be able to conclude with any confidence that Sarah or Bristol was or wasn't pregnant at the relevant time.  As one of the earlier posters pointed out, the truth will eventually come out.  In the meantime. . .

2. So long as voters are drawn into debating this very small issue--and other noise, such as Obama's 'celebrity'-- they risk losing sight of the much greater issues that the Republicans have got wrong.

Are we going to take our eye off the ball again?

I have five children. Each of the births were quicker and quicker. THERE IS NOT A WAY IN HELL, I would board a plane, unless I was planning to have that baby in midair once the contractions started in earnest because there is NO WAY IN HELL to predict how long labor will last at that point. The fact that she is claiming to have done this is absurd. I know the republican tactic is to just keep muddying the water with nonsense until you stop believing your lying eyes but I dare any woman to tell me that she would board a plane while in labor and fly from Texas to Alaska JUST for the baby to be born in Alaska? Not out of medical neccessity even? That's total BS.

I am not voting in this year's election. My candidate did not clear the primaries and I don't have a dog in this race but to me this was a dumb pick intended to lure the white women who can't in good conscience vote for Obama but want to make history.

robin - down syndrom in teen mothers is about 1 in 1500.  that's less rare then in older women, but its actually commoner in teens who hide their pregnancy and fail to get good pre-natel care.  that's assuming the baby has down sydrom.  Retardation in babies born ti teen mothers have a very high incifent rate.  I also wouldn't assume that if bristol is preg in that photo she had yet confided in her mother.

BOTTOM LINE:  There is a reason why this is NOT a private family matter and why there are governing laws to protect the rights of young mothers.  

BECAUSE there was a time in this country when young women had their children taken from them under the premise that it was FOR THERE OWN GOOD.  I know one of these women and they worked hard to create laws so others would not suffer the same mental anguish.    

I thought this was a joke, and ridiculous, but then I saw the pics. Now many of the pics have been purged or are otherwise missing except those saved by bloggers since this got hot yesterday. All of the stuff at the Alaska state site is gone or altered. As for why she allowed the pics to be taken of her daughter, she probably didn't know about it until later, hence the quick announcement and shock by coworkers. And cover ups in small communities are not uncommon, even in this day in age. Kids don't stay out for 5 months anymore with mono--not even close. And the baby is HUGE for four months and a preemie. Just sayin...it should be checked out. Why would all the pics get taken down or dates altered if there's nothing here? MSM! Do your jobs!

OMG - Dave Keefe. What if you're right? Imagine, the "liberal" media starts reporting this story and then bam, thirty pictures of Sarah Palin actually giving birth to Trig magically appear November 2nd.

Can you say "Instant rallying of the base!!!" ?

Totally true.  PS: the image at the top of this article is vertically stretched. looking at this the girl seems to show a bit more.

www.babble.com/.../bristol-palin-pregnancy-bristol-palin-pregnant-palin-family.jpg

@Doc Holiday: Breaking where?  Or are you just trolling to stir the muck?

robin - down syndrom in teen mothers is about 1 in 1500.  that's less rare then in older women, but its actually commoner in teens who hide their pregnancy and fail to get good pre-natel care.  that's assuming the baby has down sydrom.  Retardation in babies born ti teen mothers have a very high incifent rate.  I also wouldn't assume that if bristol is preg in that photo she had yet confided in her mother.

BOTTOM LINE:  There is a reason why this is NOT a private family matter and why there are governing laws to protect the rights of young mothers.  

BECAUSE there was a time in this country when young women had their children taken from them under the premise that it was FOR THERE OWN GOOD.  I know one of these women and they worked hard to create laws so others would not suffer the same mental anguish.    

Cindy, you wrote

"Cruelty: an act that deliberately causes pain and distress"

proves my point yet again that democrats are mean spirited and yes, cruel. you are all deliberately gossiping about something you have absolutely NO proof over and it involves an innocent 16 year old girl who no doubt will have significant pain and distress over this.

remember Billary? how they demanded and GOT the press to lay off Chelsea? and rightly so. Chelsea wasnt running for office, her parents were.

Here again we have the double standard of democrats. why don't you respect this child? not to mention this innocent baby who may, God willing, someday read this crap?

you really all should be extremely ashamed of yourselves. you are actually thrilled about the possibility that this might be true. how sick is that?

the shrillness and lack of compassion for innocent children is astounding.

why not focus on the ISSUES. we can have differences of opinion and intelligent discussions about issues in this country can we not?

or perhaps the dems are desperate and because they have no valid issues to discuss, they are trying to change the subject from issues to rumours to sidetrack anyone from realizing the dems are offering an empty shell of platitudes and promises that they simply cannot deliver.

sad.

@Joe:

ORLY?  The live CNN Feed seems to be talking about Gustav....

www.votetheday.com/.../sarah-palin-is-not-trigs-mother-132

nyc chic - by not voting, you've voted for whomever wins

Kim D -

I'm sorry, I don't see how Cindy or anyone else's points are cruel.

The reason this story has legs is because there are photos that sure make it look like she's not pregnant, and pictures of her daughter that look like she might be.

And if she was pregnant, she flew 8 hours and then drove another hour to be at a small rural hospital, when she was on her 5th pregnancy and knew the baby had Down's?  Every medical professional I've seen commenting on this has been shocked by that idea...  Surely it brings into question the judgement of someone who would be less than a heartbeat away from the Presidency (since McCain would be the oldest Pres even, at 73 on the first day...)

Sure, the switched pregnancy is a stretch - but it's not smoke and mirrors, there are multiple photos and numerous accounts of the trip home.  If this is not an issue, why have ALL the photos of Palin on the Alaska State Gov web site suddenly been taken down?

Kim D, Girl stop!!! nobody is talking about THE CHILD. Noone is saying anything disparaging about the poor baby or even the daughter who may in fact be his mom. This is about the possible dishonesty of a politician, period.

I know it's definitely possible for a woman to lacate without being pregnant. I just don't think *this* woman would have gone through the trouble of lactating if it wasn't her child. She doesn't slow down, much less have time to pump often enough to establish a good supply.

Personally, I believe she breastfed because she gave birth to the baby.

there's a lot of sexy hard to explain coincidences, but I'm withholding judgment as the Palin's should be able to easily debunk this if they have to. If they cant, then my tinfoil hat will go on.

But at the same time, in a year with 'secret muslim', 'faked birth certificate', 'terrorist fist jab', 'gave the finger to hillary', 'gay coke sex affair' smears, i have a hard time feeling bad for conservatives who spread that crap who are all upset now.

"...by not voting, you've voted for whomever wins"

-Maybe so but voting at this point is like taking sides in an argument between two drunks. McCain doesn't know how many houses he own or that most people would GLADLY work for $50 an hour and Obama's inspiration is the "Dreams" of the father he only met once.

This is really sad.  Everyone is looking at the daughter's picture and thinking she is pregnant.  If you haven't noticed, a lot of teenage girls are a little thicker in the stomach these days.  Blame it on the carbs, soda, and low cut jeans that do nothing them.  Regardless, the bump wouldn't even be in the right place.  She would need to be showing a little lower.  Additionally, Mrs. Palin would know her body well enough by the 5th child to know that she had lots of time to make it home before she would deliver.  Who cares that she looked great throughout her whole pregnancy.  Not all women become cows during pregnancy (its not good for the baby to gorge on bon bons).  With a high risk pregnancy, she would know that eating healthy and not gaining too much weight would be the best thing for her baby.  

While I agree we need to help determine her character before we vote McCain into office, I don't think that this particular situation is worth all the tabloid attention it seems to be drawing.

I think its great that a woman can have it all.  Family, career, and she looks awesome.  Isn't this what we have been fighting for?  I'll answer that, its exactly what we've been fighting for.    

This is really sad.  Everyone is looking at the daughter's picture and thinking she is pregnant.  If you haven't noticed, a lot of teenage girls are a little thicker in the stomach these days.  Blame it on the carbs, soda, and low cut jeans that do nothing them.  Regardless, the bump wouldn't even be in the right place.  She would need to be showing a little lower.  Additionally, Mrs. Palin would know her body well enough by the 5th child to know that she had lots of time to make it home before she would deliver.  Who cares that she looked great throughout her whole pregnancy.  Not all women become cows during pregnancy (its not good for the baby to gorge on bon bons).  With a high risk pregnancy, she would know that eating healthy and not gaining too much weight would be the best thing for her baby.  

While I agree we need to help determine her character before we vote McCain into office, I don't think that this particular situation is worth all the tabloid attention it seems to be drawing.

I think its great that a woman can have it all.  Family, career, and she looks awesome.  Isn't this what we have been fighting for?  I'll answer that, its exactly what we've been fighting for.    

You liberals are ignorant.  I am more concerned that Obama, or Barry, has many cobwebs in his closet ,lets see Ayers, Rev. Wright, communist leaders and not to mention his white hating, American hating wife.  You people cant find anything negative about this wonderful woman so you make stupid stories up and follow unfounded rumors.  Keep drinking the Obama Kool-Aid cause after November when McCain/Palin wins the Kool-Aid will run dry.

Kim D. - again it is not cruelty. First, people want to know so they are discussing it. I have yet to hear a single person in the board trying to cause harm to Bristol. They mostly feel sorry for her if this story was true. The issue was with Sarah not the kid.

Also, this story has been going on well before she was picked for VP. So I am sure poor Bristol has already been teased about it at a local level, as in her town. Which is full of republicans.

As far a Billary as you called it, I for one was never in favor of Hillary or Bill for that matter. Did not vote for Bill. Matter of fact until Bush never voted dem before. So stop assuming we are all out to get Sarah and her family. Do I really need to get into all the rumours and crud that republicans have said about dems? I personally never saw their smears as cruel.

I personally do not like gossip. Many of us just want to know the truth about this issue as she (Sarah) would be next in line if something were to happen to McCain if he got into office. It says a lot about her judgement.

Come on ppl Sarah is the mother of Trig stop being so ignorant. rumors are just that rumors. And i know rumors considering i just graduated from high school. bottom line this is all a liberal hoax to combat the winning ticket in november

Well, now that we know that 80% of DS births come from women under 30 yo, I would like to know how many of those births were as a result of incest and if there is a breakdown for the dad (father, brother, cousin etc.) I would like to know that too.

answers.yahoo.com/.../index

www.ds-health.com/issues.htm

www.slate.com/.../incest-and-delayed-motherhood.aspx

It was John McCain's choice - whether she was vetted properly or not was (we assume) under his control.

Whether any of this is true, or not....

SARAH, just PLEASE don't WHINE about being placed in the public spotlight. (It goes along with the Job you accepted).

Ain't it GREAT being a celebrity!

Kim.  good luck trying to convince yourself that the conversation is about anything less than a disscusion about ethics.  

I will not allow you to hold up that child as a shield of self-rightousness in order to deflect the arrows of concerned citizens away from your candidate.  

do you even remember being 16? how would YOU feel if people all over the country were looking at your picture and saying you looked pregnant????? way to give a girl an eating disorder. sheesh. don't tell me this isnt cruel because it is. if you really stop and think about it, insert a teen girl you love and her mother and you would be very upset if someone was doing this to them.

I have six kids. I was less "large" with my last children than my first three. my last delivery I had labor pains for a week. she wasnt in active labor, she was leaking ammniotic fluid. that can mean 24 hours before baby arrives. usually they will induce if active labor hasnt started by then. I think I read that when she arrived in AK, they induced.

since some of you don't want truth, you want to destroy, there is nothing that anyone can say or do that will satisfy you.

we all have better things to do - or should. for me, I'm back to taking care of my family and thanking God that I live in a country that can finally consider women and people of color for any and every job available.

How they handle their family business is their business. If this is true then they were obviously trying to protect their daughter and it's not fair to drag her out for cheap political points. As long as the baby is given a loving home and cared for then that is all that matters!

I'm a democrat and feel her family (specifically her kids) should be OFF LIMITS!

Mono can last for many months. My 7th grade teacher went out on leave for mono 1 week before Christmas break and did not return the remainder of that school year (6 months).

You guys are weak

Once again, the size of a hospital and its community is the key. I know that if the mayor of my hometown of 6,000 in rural Maine went into our hospital nobody would ask his name. They know him. When my wife was in labor in that same hospital her sister and best friend came to see her in the birthing room, and there was no question of asking for id or security.

Could one of those women carried a newborn baby in with them? Under a big winter coat, sure, why not?

I really have no idea if this will turn out to be a story, or whether Sarah Palin is simply someone who doesn't believe in spending much time with her newborn special-needs child.

hmmmm ... this is Highly Suspect !  ...

At the very least .. this woman ...as a mother had extremely bad judgement .. a 8+ hour Flight after her water breaks ???

Insane !  Not to mention that fact that she's holding within her a complicated birth ??   Incredible ...  

And the first thing they parade out in the public is the fact that she's this Alpha Super Hockey Mom ???  This culture is dangerously in trouble.  I'm hearing on the news that some people are marveling at the fact that she returned back to work in 3 days ...as if that's some great accomplishment .... A special Needs Child requires  ... Just That  ... "Special Needs" ...and yet she is running for the 2nd highest office in the land that require ...as she quotes " All Of Her Ability"  ???  

 This is incredible ....

I for one believe that she's the Grand Mother .. Period !

Here's one for you .... no proof ....Just my imagination running .... but let's just say ....

hmmm ..perhaps  The Brother-In-Law Trooper is the Father ???

LOL LOL  !!!!    

Now that's what you get when you don't Vet !

Hey Doug..  

    You Wrote :  Mono can last for many months. My 7th grade teacher went out on leave for mono 1 week before Christmas break and did not return the remainder of that school year (6 months).

Did you ever consider that perhaps one of the Students got her Pregnant ?

LOL LOL !!!     This is getting G.O.O.D. !

jarhead - I hope your ignorant little self is right 'cuse the USA is already the laughing stock of the world with one hick in office.  Having a creationist, baby stealer with the expeience of running a state with more elk than people will be one joke too many.

"...dditionally, Mrs. Palin would know her body well enough by the 5th child to know that she had lots of time to make it home before she would deliver.  Who cares that she looked great throughout her whole pregnancy.  Not all women become cows during pregnancy (its not good for the baby to gorge on bon bons)."

-!!!!

I KNEW IT! I knew that was going to be the talking point. I wish I had bet some money on that one, LOL.

The only problem with this though is that fit, slim women's pregnant bellies are MORE pronounced than heavier women's. A big woman can camouflage a late term pregancy longer because she has bigger breasts and a thicker waistline already so until she's really out there, you can't tell. A slim girl shows earlier. Also, women naturally get bigger with each subsequent pregnancy and in that picture with her ona bridge with that other lady, she's pretty big.

And there is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way in the world to "know your body" well enough to know that you can safely get on a plane AFTER your water has broken. NO WAY.

There are no truths in this era of perception management and everything is subject to spin and dueling talking heads but my God, let's be serious. Any woman whose ever had a baby can tell you, NO TWO LABORS OR BIRTHS ARE EEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR THE SAME. Even if she'd had sixty kids, she couldn't ever say, "At this point I have twelve hours". Especially AFTER her water has broken.

The Republicians have God on their side for sure.  He even sent a hurricane to distract the nation from the Palin scandal.  Wow...what power.

In case you missed it McCain called her with a glowing smile on his face his "partner and soulmate".  Its just beginning and the BLIND LOYALTY that some Republicans show is sad to watch.  This man needs medical attention for even considering her.  No matter what Bush does you voted him in again and since your so brainwashed you'll vote in this man who thinks your beloved Sarah is his new girlfriend.  

I don't think anyone else has pointed this out yet, so I will. This woman's child was reportedly a month premature AND he weighed more than 6 pounds AND he has DS AND she went back to work three days later? Seriously? My brother was a month premature, weighed in at 4 pounds, and had to stay in the hospital about a week to be monitored. There was little question that he'd be fine, but my parents were there all the time because, well, when you have a preemie, they have to stay and be monitored and you want to be with your newborn, making sure everything's okay.

Kim D: Are you saying you would have gotten clearance from a doctor ANYWHERE in these United States to fly home to Alaska after your water broke? Are you saying that if one of your daughters was about to get on a plane in that stage of labor, you would think to yourself, "She's just leaking amniotic fluid, this is nothing." Also, you are the first person to suggest that she was merely leaking amniotic fluid. Regardless, you then said she had a 24 hour window as though it wasn't that big a deal but then throw in besides, they induced her once she got there? Why?

I don't know where you live but in NY, they will induce your labor shortly after your water breaks so you don't have what's called a "dry birth". And you won't get a doctor to clear you to fly or be allowed to board a plane for that matter. Granted, maybe she flew in on her private jet with a team of obstetricians and CNMs there with her but the logic still eludes me.

Can anyone who disagrees with this story please dispute the all of the circumstances surrounding it with facts/evidence?  I don't mean personal testimonies (when I was pregnant I was barely showing, my labor lasted 10 hours blah, blah blah). The photos also don't prove much.  If the theory is that Palin was attempting to fake a pregnancy then she would of course dress in a way that would make her look pregnant (small pillow etc.)

I don't want to believe the story, however for me there are too many unexplained circumstances.  If anyone can clear this up by using facts that would be great.

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So she is definitely pregnant...but the date says March 19, 2005...and that couldn't be right cause who would she have been pregnant with in 2005??? That would make the child 3 and she does not have a 3 year old...and the photo is labled Govenor Palin, she wasn't elected gov till the end of 2006, so yeah, this pic couldn't be from 2005...so stop talking crap stupid democrats, you have to come up with rumors cause you're scared about the election now!

is this a better scandal than john edwards? I'm not talking about the political implications, but personally. I think it's not much of a scandal, except insofar as it shows that mccain was horrendous at vetting her. maybe mcsweeneys will run a musical on it.

wow if just if a Heart beet away from a nucular trigger.. If i am correct i realy dont think this lady can take the heet of the DC bunch once it turns on big time.. Smart move to not vet her.. Im a older man  an i have women now saying things i wouldent say of this person.. I understand mc bush i was in carrier air groupe 57 i wount vote for the man My father told me yrs back if you cant say something good about someone say nothing... This is a Mess..... well the old devicive politics.  I hope this insures a victory 4 the Demos.. Im sick of hte "GOD" bunch looking down on the rest of us... Bill

I know this man needs medicial attention

This is the most despicable, nasty garbage I've ever read.  Who cares if she was pregnant when she got married?  I was a virgin when I married in late October and had a baby in late July - four weeks premature.  Give me a break - and even if she was pregnant - who cares?  You are the same group of people who supported Clinton's right to sleep with whomever he chose as a married man and president of the U.S. and said it was okay to lie to the grand jury about it - because it was his private life.  You are a bunch of pathetic, sexist hypocrites.  You should be ashamed.  

And while your mud raking may seem harmless, what about Palin's teenage daughter?  What if what you're alleging isn't true?  Believe me if it is true, that truth will come out.  If it's not you are destroying the reputation of an innocent teenager.  

And BTW - her water wasn't broken - it was leaking.  Huge difference!

A Sacramento, Calif., obstetrician who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman's water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That's true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out, said Dr. Laurie Gregg. "To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak," Gregg said. (Anchorage Daily News 4/22/2008)

To the one who posted about Paul...Ron Paul is a  very sick man..after all he is a 9/11 truther. A crazy like that has nothing to offer but conspiracy.

The leftwing spreads rumors when they feel threatened which I am sure they are feeling the heat now. afterall; The Obama campaign is suing to have ads removed from TV and radio. they don't like the way the Obama/Biden are being portrayed( 1st ammendment anyone). Daily Kos is a lonely hate filled speck of a human so he has to create rumors and lies to create more hate ...he needs to have his fix.

JUsty an FYI. ..my sister had her first baby gained 80 pounds and was BIG,She lost the weight was her normal size 5. Her 2nd came along 4 years later. She watched her weight and excerised through pregnancy. She wore her size 5 jeans until 6 months preg. at 8 months she had a bump. The 3rd.. she didn't tell anyone until she was 4 months and no one even suspected...at 9 months  a bump. So hate her Palin love Palin ...why be so mean spirited . Pick apart her policy not her famil

"Although the probability increases with maternal age, 80% of children with Down syndrome are born to women under the age of 35"

Republicans need to get their facts straight.

DaisyCutter do you have any factual information that would clear this story up?  Just because you criticize and call others names doesn't make the story untrue.  I mean if you can explain these events then please share your information.

The reason more DS babies are born to mothers under 35 is because more women under 35 are having children, so that particular age group will produce more DS babies. Less women over 35 have babies, but are more likely to have a DS baby.

What does Bill Clinton have to do with the topic of Sarah Palin? did he actually sleep with somebody? I thought he just got a BlowJob (you know, all the cigar jokes)

Mr McCain dated dear Cindy for 9 months while he was still married to (? and living with - not sure - don't want to promote rumors) his first wife.

Maybe at State-level Politics, one can be left to mind one's own personal business. But it's just Cold, Hard Reality - once you are on the political radar so high up that your name is ... on the ticket for VP ... and hardly anyone knows anything about you and your family, you ARE GOING TO BE scrutinized - under a very public, unforgiving microscope.

And YES that unfortunately means your family too (not fair, but true).

I am SURE that Cindy McCain would have PREFERRED to not submit her own financial records and tax returns for public scrutiny - but the public demanded, and the public got.

I feel sorry for the family - but was there not talk and rumors of this in Alaskan media, before she was even picked for VP?

OH. I guess at State-Level politics, there are still rumors that circulate - shit-disturbers that want to stir something up - but after a period of time, things die down.

Hopefully, the rumors can be put to rest, and the family, especially the children, can get back to a normal life. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen.

Sarah - welcome to the next 4 years of your life (if you win).

Whenever the subject of the election comes up I have the same response:

"Obama is our next President. It's just a matter of how ugly it gets until then."

Be compassionate toward this family. You can be searching and fearless for the truth and still embody our principle intention for Hope and Change.

I've read through every single comment on this page and checked out every single link you all have posted.  The best photo evidence for Gov. Palin being pregnant is the link www.flickr.com/.../2814199887.  Even though the site says the picture was taken in 2005, there was no way it could have been taken then.  She couldn't have been pregnant with any of her kids in March of '05 because her son Trig was born in '08 and daughter Piper in '01.  Also, Flickr titles the picture "Last day of the 25th AK Legislature"  The 25th AK legislature ended on April 13th 2008.  Trig was born on April 18th 2008, and she definitely looks 8 months along.  Also, one of the infamous "Pregnant Bristol" photos was most definitely taken in 2006, see the link www.adn.com/.../509850.html.  Especially notice Piper, she is listed as being 5 years old in the photo, and looks much younger than in some photos taken in the last few days, when she is 7.  More proof for the photo being taken in '06.  I think this is pretty convincing evidence that Sarah is Trig's mom, and it is with only a few photos.

Boy you can certainly tell Democrats are running scared.  Palin received such a huge positive response after McCain's announcement that she was VP pick- it has scared the liberals.  You all were hoping Romney or Huckabee would be picked- since they both carried so much polarizing baggage they would have split the Republican party.

So now you all are rumor mongering- hoping this rumor will get teeth. Fortunately, the majority of Americans don't spend time reading rumors on blogs.

Enjoy yourselves- since spreading rumors is how you make yourselves feel better about losing in November.

Let's tell the whole story Mr. Hayduke so that the "Republicans" get their facts straight:

Maternal age influences the chances of conceiving a baby with Down syndrome. At maternal age 20 to 24, the probability is one in 1562; at age 35 to 39 the probability is one in 214, and above age 45 the probability is one in 19.[14] Although the probability increases with maternal age, 80% of children with Down syndrome are born to women under the age of 35,[15] reflecting the overall fertility of that age group. Recent data also suggest that paternal age, especially beyond 42,[16] also increases the risk of Down Syndrome manifesting in pregnancies in older mothers.[17]

So even if 80% of down syndrome babies are born to mothers under the age of 35, what is the likelihood that a 17 year old conceives a child with down syndrome?  A 44 year old?  Looks to me like it is somewhere in the range of 75 - 80 times more likely that a 44 year old will have a down's syndrome child than a 17 year old.  Figures lie and liars figure.  Let's discuss all of the facts, not just those that can be selected to support your nasty agenda.

Interview with Sarah Palin when she was 7 months pregnant. Check it out.

If you look at the picture of what she looked like when she was pregnant with her other son in 1989 and compare it with the one when she says she is seven months along this spring, it looks mighty suspicious. The picture is on the update page. Also, the daughter being taken out of school for eight months sounds a little strange.

"The leftwing spreads rumors when they feel threatened which I am sure they are feeling the heat now. afterall; The Obama campaign is suing to have ads removed from TV and radio. they don't like the way the Obama/Biden are being portrayed( 1st ammendment anyone)."

-Obama just gave an acclaimed speech on front of 38 million viewers at home but somehow to you, the Dems are worried? Despite all the smearing about him being a secret muslim and his wife hating whites and them giving each other terrorist fist bumps, he's leading your rich, white, war hero guy in very poll but the Dems are worried. Posh.

Bush can't even  show his face at the GOP convention but the Dems seem worried?

The fact is, any time someone LIES or seems to be lying, its going to infuriate people and make them want to get at the truth.

She may have been just trying to "protect" her daughter (from her judgemental holier-than-thou evangelical conservative cronies maybe?)or conservative women maybe just don't have babies the same way as the rest of us. But as a politician in the public eye, she has to know her personal life will be scrutinized and factual details about her, such as how many children she has, are questions people will want answers to.

Guess you haven't been keeping up with the polls.  McCain is 2 points ahead (Zogby)and the Republican Convention hasn't even started.

If you click on the first link where it says "update" there is a picture of her pregant with her son Track in 1989 and she looks decidedly different. Usually, a woman would be even larger by her fifth preganacy, wouldn't she?

Video interview with Sarah Palin when she was 7 months pregnant.

celebrity.rightpundits.com

cutsiepie - wonderful points.

Lee - you explained the statistics much more clearly than I did when I tried. Thank you!

And I hate how everyone keeps saying she MUST have been bigger with each pregnancy. The majority of women I know gain more with the first because they think they can just eat and eat. Stop speculating that she wasn't pregnant simply because she wasn't as big as with her first!

This link was given to me by a Republican friend and I have to say I am as appalled as she told me I would be. I cannot believe fellow Democratic party members are involved in such a smear campaign.

We took it when you and MSNBC attacked Clinton. We grinned and bared it when Clinton said "unity." But by God I cannot stand by and watch you Obama supporters destroy another woman with lies and innuendo.

If you keep this up you are going to drive me to do the unthinkable. Either I and others like me aren't going to vote, or we're going to do you one worse, and vote for McCain.

Every time one of you posts a sexist and demeaning comment, another Republican lever will be pulled this fall.

I will blame you when we lose.

@ Lee: Gallup Daily has Obama up by 6. Maybe they're "liberals"?

She was huge with her other son in that picture. And the whole getting on a plane thing DOES NOT compute. But- I'm with the poster who said this is just a ploy on behalf of the Republicans to stage another Rathergate red herring situation  to energize their base.

It's so ridiculous. Why all the smoke and mirrors, taking down pics from the gov website and the only pics of her pregnant having been taken with a camera with a "defective" time stamp? Doesn't the family have any pics from the birth or when they went to the hospital to see her after she'd had the baby?

That would really clear things up.

As far as the convention: What a yawn that was promising to be. Rudy "I am a Disgrace" Guiliani giving the keynote, no references to Bush because the public needs to totally forget about him to elect McCain and McCain's wife looking like Cruella Deville while giving her rebuttal to Michelle Obama's tearjerker? Right...

Gustav giving them an excuse to "keep it to the bare essentials", not have Bush there and now this easily diffusible bombshell are like manna from heaven.  

Why didn't McCain select Condoleezza Rice for VP? Since he wanted a woman so bad on the ticket the logical choice would have been to select her. I doubt anyone would have questioned her experience and this thread would not even exist. I question McCain's judgement and I wonder if all of you Republicans would still vote if there were a BLACK WOMAN on the ballot, hmmm? The real question that no one will admit to is what can America tolerate... a woman or a black man?

WOW - Quite the imagination and quite a lot of anger there.  You might want to get that checked.

@Outraged- Sweetie, blame yourself. If people ASKING questions makes you so nervous and fearful, you are part of the problem with the Democratic party. Time and time again, the republicans come out guns blazing and presenting a unified front, no matter how utterly ridiculous what they are saying is. When Rove REFUSED to answer a subpeona, out and out refused it, I watched the republican pundits come out one after the other and say, he's perfectly within his rights to do so, nothing compels you to participate in a witchhunt and this is all just the Democrats playing politics and that was...the end of it.

The story just disappeared, no consequences, no NOTHING.

The Democrats on the other hand, kowtow and pander to every poll, every right wing pundit and bend over backwards to appease and find a middle ground that can't exist.

When they said Obama and his wife gave each other a terrorist fist jab, did you feel the same anger?

Wow, Kim D: For a mother of six kids, you sure have a lot of free time to waste talking to "mean spirited democrats!"  

If Bristol isn't pregnant in that picture, then I would say that she already has an eating disorder with a huge tummy like that and skinny little arms.  Some one should explain what over eating means to her if that's not a baby in there.  

Go spend some time with your 6 kids. . . maybe you could educate them about eating disorders or something!  Oooh, Fun!

"The real question that no one will admit to is what can America tolerate... a woman or a black man?"

-Definitely the Black man. I would have voted for Hilary.

Right on NYC Chic! It's time to look within and boy are we ready for a change. People are not being "mean spirited" for raising questions about Palin's integrity. No one cares about the pregnancy or if her daughter gave birth; what we care is if she lied. People don't have a point of reference for what may become our future VP or God forbid, president. We don't know anything about her so people are trying to learn about her. What little information there is, is strange. Our government must make room for all points of view and keep religion separate, focus on the foreign affairs, the economy, education, safety and the environment.

This slanderous garbage has attracted a herd of mealy mouth dirty diaper democRats...pathetic.

@NYC_Chic:

It's not that you're asking questions. It's that you're making false accusations and posting slander without any evidence.

Furthermore, there is plenty of video evidence that proves these accusations wrong. Someone posted a link earlier in the comments here. It contains a video that clearly shows Governor Palin 7 months pregnant. Unless she has Eddie Murphy's make-up artist in Alaska with her, you would have to be a complete idiot to believe Palin is not the mother of her child:

celebrity.rightpundits.com

The only thing I care for Republicans to do is lose this November, but with morons like yourself making Palin a martyr, it is not likely to happen. You do not know how many people are driven away from the party by ignorant people like yourself.

I have fought the Obama Muslim accusations and racism very hard on the web. I have fought the sexism from MSNBC very hard on the web, and by God I'll fight your dumb ass too.

I will not let idiots like you destroy my party.

This is going to bring her to a screeching halt... what started as just a stupid choice of a bimbette from the Northern Redneck Frontier (if you go there you'll see what I mean--monster trucks, rednecks with Alaskan accents--very strange), is now turning out to be a liar whose daughter apparently hid out for 4 or 5 months while having this baby. And then Mom takes credit, wears a padded dress for a few weeks.

And then what? Her water breaks and she still gives a 30-minute speech and flies home for 11 hours before giving birth?? I think NOT.

John in LaLaLand has his head up his a** if he thinks this is going to go away. Once more we see a neoCON who puts herself up as some sort of saint, only to turn out to be a complete fraud and a liar. Typical neoCON stuff.

I'm not a Democrat.

I should have been picked. click on my name Lady.

this has been officially debunked

surberpictures.blogspot.com/.../caribou.html

This is easy folks.  Just wait it out.  It can be very easily put to rest if it's not true.  Palin and her husband and the baby do a blood test and the story is over.

But... if it's true, her candidacy is over.  Too little is known about her for this to pop up right now.  And, worst of all, it will be a black eye for McCain.  If it IS true, he should have found out about it during the vetting process.  That he didn't and took such an otherwise clearly unqualified person who has this soap opera story... Palin will be gone, and McCain will drop 10-15 points in the polls.

Anyway, we won't solve it here, but it WILL get solved.  So relax and watch some hurricane coverage.  It's a lot more immediate.  

TruthPerson's debunking photo proves nothing other than that she was wearing an open black coat.  Drapery, not necessarily pregnancy.

You don't get bigger with each pregnancy and the 5th one dosen't just fall out! Been there done that.

Your water can "leak" for days without breaking. Been there done that too.

Im form Holland, so forgive me when my english is not 100%.

Im following these elections almost everyday, and now i saw this rumour on the internet too.  It reminds me of the rumor about 9/11.  If you just pull out the things you want, it can become all clear and 'truth'.  In that way u can make every made up story real.  I think its just a way of the anti-republicans to let Obama win.  I mean, why not start a rumor about Obama abusing his own daughter?  The way she screamed 'daddy daddy ' during the DNC was kinda strange wasnt it?  And i saw some pics of her where she doesnt look very happy.. i bet Obama abused her.  Or wait.. i bet Obama beats his wife!  Im sure i can find some pics of Michelle where she doesnt look happy or in fact, looks angry!  All bullshit this, but i just wanna share my point of view: i think its all bullshit and this story about Bristol is too.

Poor girl, i mean she's 17 and all 17-year old girls are insecure about their body; and now the whole world is telling her she looks pregnant in that pic.  

This baby story has made no sense to me from the beginning. She is in Dallas, her water breaks, she delivers a speech then flies to Alaska? What Dr would OK that? None. Fifth babies come too fast.

Only reason she flew there, was because Bristol went into labour in Alaska and she was going to be exposed!

Keep digging on this! We don’t need another liar in the WH!

In the family photo, look at how Bristol is standing. Her hands cupped under her stomach. This is not a typical way for a teen to stand, but it is a typical way for a pregnant woman to stand - with hands on or cradling stomach.

I live in Juneau.. I went to school with Bristol for a semester our sophomore year..

Everyone in Alaska has been talking about this for months.. way before Sarah was picked for VP.

We all think that it is Bristol's too. Everyone is trying to say this a "smear campaign" from Obama to make Sarah sound bad.. but from those of us here in Alaska and who personally know the Bristol.. we are all sure it's not Sarah's.

Glad this is finally getting out cause we've been wondering for months. Bristol drank a lot and admitted to sleeping with her boyfriend at the time. She's not a "whore" .. she's just a teenager who made a mistake.

I don't get why there isn't a real investigation so we can all know the truth

Rumor back in Juneau has it that Bristol started smoking oxy off tin foil with the other douchebag kids there.

Some kid named DILLON KOLVIG got her pregnant.

I tried to explain this whole story to a foreign friend and he said, "how close will that retarded baby be to the red button and where are the missiles aimed?"

Women that have been pregnant multiple times tend to know when they are or are not in labor. Leaking fluid and a full blown gush are two different things. If she had no contractions, she probably felt comfortable getting on a plane. I imagine she and her husband kept things to themselves while they emotionally geared themselves to care for a special needs baby. She should be admired, not gossiped about.

I'm friends with Dylan Kolvig. What the heck. hahahahaha. who is ydd22. thats hilarious. I know he wasn't the dad though.. him and Bristol never hung out.

Have any of you ever seen the interview with Caroline, one of Donald Trumps highest up executives? She was 6-7 months pregnant before she even told Trump! She stated that she wanted to prove to him that she could do her job pregnant before he found out. AND knowone could tell! Also...women carry each baby differently. With my first I was enormous with my 2-4 I was tiny to the point that people didn't know until I was 8 months pregnant. ALSO when you have a large space between pregnancies your labor is much longer. My 2-3 births I delivered in 4 hours. My 4th child it was 14 hours.

There is NO danger of infection when you are leaking amniotic fluid until 24 hours have passed.

The majority of her pregnancy was during the cold months...remember in Alaska it is COLD even in the summer! In April it would still be winter coat weather...especially this year, here in WA state we had our last snowfall the first of JUNE!

It is amusing how little most mothers know about pregnancy, most women are terribly un-educated even in this day in age...their motto is "just drug me up and get the baby out".

In this article about the birth of Trig, there is a side view picture.

alaskareport.com/ news48/x61145_trig.htm

<a href="s18.photobucket.com/.../jclarkpaints target="_blank"><img src="i18.photobucket.com/.../bristol-palin-pregnant.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Daisycutter,

As you suggested, we would gladly pick apart her policy...foreign policy especially...if she had one.

If a 16 year old had mono for 5 months, how might they look?  Weight loss, or other physical signs that might be evident to indicate that Bristol may or may not have been out of school due to mono?  How about the test that determined the downs condition?  When did that happen? Do the dates match up with Palin's executive calendar?  Without setting a precedent to violate anyones right to privacy on health matters, there are many questions which could put this story to rest, or give it wings.

Being a Labor and Delivery nurse, I can say only one thing...Hoooooey.

This is a bag of hooey. NO doctor would allow her to fly.

Withour a special test, you would have NO WAY of knowing if the fluid leak was amniotic fluid or urine. This is a test we do all day, everyday! And 9 times out of 10, it is urine. Again, I repeat, NO DOCTOR WHOULD TELL HER IT WAS OKAY TO FLY!!!

Alaskan Girl!  Who was Bristol's boyfriend?

For the record, Palin sure looks pregnant here: farm4.static.flickr.com/.../2814199887_67e84850f4_b.jpg

‘Preg.’ daughter pic from ‘06 - compare the age of the younger sis and middle daughter’s growth to current pics. (the eldest ’still’ looks preggers - poor thing has a healthy pootch.) http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.php

In addition to rampant rumors - there’s an entire website: BristolPalin Pregnant.com

To do that to a 16 year old girl is disgusting.

What is the proof that the child has Down's syndrome? Is this more fraud on top of fraud? Is there any obvious visual appearance at this tender age? Why is it that the physician, Dr Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who allegedly delivered the baby, not listed anywhere on the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center website as being on the staff of that hospital? Can she be delivering babies at a hospital where she is not on staff ? The GOP is not being cancelled due to hurricane Gustav but due to hurricane Sarah! Thin women do not show their pregnancy less, they show it more.

look at this photograph news.yahoo.com/.../529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d

If the baby is not hers, she's a liar. If the baby IS hers, she went back to work 3 days after giving birth to a Down's Syndrome baby.

I wonder how the right-wing SAHMs will rationalize that, let alone the fact that she WORKS and lets "someone else" raise her five children?

It is such an insult to women everywhere that the Republicans think that women will vote for McCain because he chose a VP with a vagina. Men must have a terrible time choosing from all those penises!!!!

If it's untrue, it will be very easy for them to disprove. Just show a birth certificate. It's not one of those cruel, insidious rumors you can't defend yourself against.

If they do disprove it, I'll feel sorry for that poor girl everyone is saying looks pregnant.

I think this is what happens when a small-town story suddenly goes very, very public with little lag time.  But here's the thing: no matter what, even if it's true, then there really is no downside to the story.  No matter what way you dice this, Sarah Palin is a woman who chose to raise a Down's Syndrome baby, and that is a tough and admirable task.

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no downside? defrauding americans and insurance companies. Making political hay out of this saying, "look at me I had a down syndrome baby even when I knew he would be." Hiding her daughter's indiscretions but yet preaching family values to the american people?

@Outraged: I am not slandering anyone or posting any "False" accusations. I have written about my opinions, to which I am Constitutionally entitled, of this story.

To start with, I don't know what the truth is here. My husband thinks that like Dave Keefe posted, this is a plot to make her sympathetic to the base by making her a martyr of the left wing. He thinks this will be their convention surprise.

I have had five children with no anesthesia or medical intervention. I have been around pregnant women all my life and in fact hid my first pregnancy because we were still in school and not married. I hid it until the fifth month with no najor problems except for the real old school types who would say things like "I can see it in your face" or "why are you glowing like that?" or my mother with her "why are you sleeping so hard?" pop quizzes, lol. By my sixth month, you could see I was pregnant. By my ninth month, especially after the baby had dropped, I was obviously and undeniably pregnant. The day I had the baby, nobody would have said my pregnancy was not obvious thru observation. Nobody. And I was a 19 year old having her first baby.

I showed earlier with each subsequent pregnancy and each delivery was quicker. I had my third child IN A CAB, on the way to the hospital. And like I said, I have been around preganct women my whole life. I even worked at the front desk for the private OB-GYNs at the hospital where I had my last child. I have never seen a woman in her ninth month, even the obese ones, who could have gotten on an airplane without scrutiny.

I know rightwinger after rightwinger will parade thru here today saying their sister barely had a bump until she was 10 months and the day their grandmother's water broke, she went to go plow before even calling for a doctor but all of that is bullshit and for political expediency. Also, I want to hear a doctor say he would advise a woman who was leaking fluid, in premature labor and expecting a special needs baby  that she had ANY window of time.

I have nothing against her and I applaud women who can bring home the bacon and fry it up in the pan and do as good a job as any man. She's no frail submissive type, she hunts and has the balls to be in politics and I applaud that. But, this story doesn't make sense. And no amount of screaming that she's being bullied will make it make sense.

This story DOES NOT

NYC_Chic, you have to remember that all pregnancies are different.  Not everyone's body reacts in the same way.  It all depends on the way you're shaped, what you eat, etc. etc. etc.  We have no conlusive evidence on the matter.  We should start talking about her politics and what she has done in her state and get away from this tabloid matter.

Oh, by the way NYC_CHIC, I'm one of those Idependent swing voters in this election, not a rightwinger.  Both sides are going to have to do a lot more than bring up scandal after scandal to get my vote.  Politicians all have their skeletons in the closet.  Can we get past this now?  

to NYC chic.  Bravo.  You go girl.  All the faux indignation in the world fails to answer some very basic questions about this story.

Alaska Girl,

Is there any info on who the father may be?

Again no one has presented any facts to debunk the story. You would think since the story has been circulating in AK all of this time that Palin would have presented evidence to clear the rumors.  Photos are meaningless so please stop showing pictures in which Palin appears pregnant.  They prove absolutely nothing.  Obviously if the woman was attempting to pass herself off as pregnant she would dress in a way that promotes that illusion.

Find medical experts that would advise a 40+ year old sitting governor who is leaking fluid a month early and carrying a DS baby to board a plane without any medical personnel aboard the plane.  Her own doctor said that she did not advise Palin to board the plane.  The baby was born a month early and Palin thought she knew her body.  Her previous pregnancies were prior to age 35 and pregnancies post age 40 are much riskier.  

Also why would Palin choose to drive all the way to the small village where she was mayor to have the delivery knowing that she was passing hospitals that had the necessary equipment and emergency facilities to deliver a premature DS baby to a place that indeed did not have the necessary equipment?  

Why didn't her doctor meet her at the closer hospital with the necessary equipment instead of having her travel even further?

Also why was Bristol out driving (got in a driving accident)  while supposedly so ill and contagious that she had to be off from school for months?

I would think it would be very easy for Palin to provide these answers.  She is being held to the same standard as any politician running on a national ticket.  If this story is untrue there is absolutely no reason for Bristol to be embarrassed or anything else.  So what some people looked at her photos and thought she had a stomach.  That is no where near as bad as what John McCain said about Chelsea Clinton.  

If the story is true then Palin is the one that should feel bad for being so ashamed of her daughter that she would go to such lengths to cover up the pregnancy.  Why not simply accept that her daughter is human and experienced an unplanned pregnancy?  Show how the family loves her and will raise the baby together.  There is no reason to cover for the child as if she is some terrible person and needs to have her "mistakes" hidden.

People question their leaders, that's just the way it is.  Repubs and Dems alike question their opponents.  Look how long people went on and on about Obama's birth certificate.  He even had to post it online and that still wasn't enough.  It had to reviewed by experts because Repubs believed that Obama's mom had conspired to pretend that she had a baby in Hawaii and somehow Obama had convinced an entire hospital and many public officials to lie about his birth.  

She isn't being scrutinized because she is a female, it's because she could possibly be the POTUS if something happens to McCain.  I don't know why people want to soften politics for women, they can handle it just as well as men and don't need fellow women whining about how the women are attacked.   Kay Baily Huchison comes to mind. She never whines about the game of politics, she controls what happens instead.

There is a problem with pics,they don't have actual dates on them.We have to hope the person posting pics isn't lieing about there date of picture.Best way to get to the real truth is have the media look at her medical files during the pregnancy.This would end the rumor once and for all.

Abby,

Ahem.....so reasonable & logical.  Maybe you could be VP.  Ooops...I think you're overqualified.

Listen ,this is a bunch of BS about Rightwingers screaming that this is just another ploy of Lefties attacking what they fear.  I'm an Independent ~ PERIOD !  ... and Believe me ,if Obama had turned out to be  a closet Muslim working for Farrakhan , then I would have been in his ass too...

If he had been faking his birth in the United States... believe me ...his ass would be Toast in my Book.

I will say this though ... being an Independent ... the Republicans have a much more advanced Spin Machine then the Democrats. The Democrats aren't perfect either but the Republicans  never ceases to amaze me in terms of Making Fact Fiction.  ( If you don't believe me ...just go to www.pbs.org/.../cheney  and watch Cheney's Law ...that will give you some insight on what they are capable of doing )

If Palin is Faking ~ Lying about delivering an actual Child of any kind ... this is a story of Epic Proportions.  It not only goes to the core of McCains Judgment ..or shall I say Rush to Judgment.. but it goes to the Level of Deceit of a person who has opted to run for the Second Highest Public Office of the Land !

This Story Smells.   Palin's  actions defies Logic of any kind.  Palin's  daughter Bristol being out of school for Mono for that length of time lends suspicion to Palin's actions.. The Previous Pictures of Palin being Pregnant compared against her alleged last Pregnancy is a telling sign..not conclusive but opening up serious questions.  The Plane Flight after her water Breaks.

C'Mon .. I find it hard to believe that any woman in her right mind would've gotten on a 11 hour flight right after her water Breaks or Leaks

"WITHOUT ANY MEDICAL SUPERVISION " !  ????

Just like Obama had to face the music about his alleged Muslim connection.  Him having to produce his Birth Certificate ...Tax Records.....and His " Medical Records"  ... this is all Justified when you are running for the highest Position in the Land .

Palin Must be held to the same Standard. There is enough evidence in my mind to "Require" her to produce her Medical Records ~~~ "PERIOD"  ~~

John McCain has done it ...and so should she.

Now , If Palin Bucks or better yet, If the Republican party even remotely suggests that she shouldn't .. the Public should be OUTRAGED  and then we'll know that they are hiding something .

Medical Records  along with the doctors / nurses etc. who actually witnessed the delivery of her DS Baby should clear this up quickly so we voters can move on to more important things such as the "ISSUES" .

  Don't let this story stop until we get  Clear Proof of these accusations.  This is a very very serious matter !

There are other possible issues here beside the deceit. If she filed insurance claims based on her being pregnant when in fact it was her daughter who received the treatment, then that is insurance fraud, a very serious offense. Also if the baby is receiving benefits based on the claim that she is Palin's baby then that is also fraud. I wonder if the Right Wing Media will demand that the MSM investigate this in the same way they demanded they investigate tabloid rumours about John Edwards, Curiouser and curiouser as they say.

The Media needs to look into this seriously,It appears to have legs. Being McCain failed to vet her someone should.Privacy be damned as she no longer has any.

I have had mononucleose and as a result, stayed away from school for about five months. I nearly missed a year by it at school.

DAILY KOS ARE SCUM BAGS !!!

All you small minded people who are crucifying Governor Palin over the question of her fifth child, are just fueling a vicious smear campaign. Besides, if you want to exhibit your holier-than-thou attitude ... why don't you get even more angry at Obama, Michelle, and their children,  for spending 20 years in an anti-American racist church, as well as associations with Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, etc.. These facts are much more relevant to the next administration, than the possibility of a loving mother taking the heat to protect her child and grandchild.

Thanks Dee.  It just bothers me that people are name calling and criticizing without any attempt to clarify the rumors.  It reminds me of people being called unpatriotic for questioning the war in Iraq.  

Anyone who wishes to hold a leadership position in the US, needs to expect questions about their character, judgment, family, background history etc.  The questions may not seem fair, but that is the way Americans get to know their leaders and decide if they wish to support the them.  Anyone who doesn't like this process should be aware that it is going to happen before they decide to put themselves out there.  If they do not like the process, they should not run for public office.

Check this out - Bristol Palin is pregnant now !!

Well, I guess she wasn't pregnant ... Because she is pregnant now!

firstread.msnbc.msn.com/.../1318541.aspx

Bristol Palin pregnant -- right now

Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:58 AM by Mark Murray Filed Under: 2008, Palin

From NBC's Mark Murray

Reuters: "The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said. 'We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,' the Palins' statement said. 'Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support,' the Palins said."

Gina these rumors do not involve the Obamas.  Whether you have questions about the Obamas or not it doesn't dismiss the questions about Palin.  One has nothing to do with the other.   Perhaps you have questions about both candidates or just one.    If Palin doesn't want questions asked about her family she should not put herself on the ballot.  The woman seems intelligent enough to understand the process.  I also don't think the questions come from one party only.  My neighbor is a lifelong Republican.  She brought these questions to my attention.  It raised flags for her when she heard that Palin went back to work within 3 days of having her baby.  As a mother of 4 she just found that to be outrageous and uncaring.  That caused her to look deeper and ask questions.  People want to know their leaders.

Palin just announced that her daughter is 5 months pregnant

www.nytimes.com/.../international-usa-politics-palin.html

Fred and announced beat me to it.  The article just came out in the last hour or so.

Another question for Gina... what heat is Palin taking for her daughter?  How is that being a loving mother to make your child hide her pregnancy?  If Bristol was pregnant, how does that reflect negatively on her mom or her?

you guys are pathetic to be arguing this, especially you liberal idiots. aren't you the guys that condone this kind of behavior to begin with? LOL. as for the truth palin already released a comment rebutting this. you leftists are lowlifes

THe story is on CNN and MSNBC. She is planning to marry the young guy. She is 5 month pregnant. Wow!

NOT TRUE - CATCH UP!  YES, THE DAUGHTER (BRISTOL) IS PREGNANT - 7 MONTHS - NOW - NOT WITH THE DOWNS SYNDROME BABY - THAT IS SARAH'S AND TODD'S - IF YOU HAVE ANY COMPASSION FOR A WOMAN'S RIGHTS TO PRIVACY - ALL OF THIS IS REALLY NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.  BRISTOL IS EXPECTED TO MARRY THE FATHER - END OF STORY - TEEN PREGNANCY HANDLED RESPONSIBLY WITH A FAMILY THAT WILL FULLY SUPPORT HER WITH UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.  END-----OF-----STORY  

I'd bang the crap out of Sarah and her freaky little girl. They both have nice hooters. The only problem is - alaskan women keep those beavers natural. Want bush, go to alaska. Want to learn how to steal drugs? See Cindy Mccain

No, I believe Sarah Palin was indeed pregnant with her own child (down syndrome child is Sarah’s). The brown jumper was oversized and most women hide and will sometimes be secretive about their pregnancies. Even if her 17 yr. old daughter Bristol is now pregnant, I think Bristol is lucky to have a wonderful mom and dad that she can come to in times of trouble like this. And No I do Not Believe this will hurt McCain or Sarah Palin in getting elected. If anything, I believe this just humanizes Sarah Palin and family issues that “all” Americans have to deal with from time to time. I think it shows how magnificent Sarah is in handling Everything, from Career, being Wife, A Mother and Now a Mother With Family Issues and How She Can Handle Everything At Once.  She is A Women Hear Her Roar!

McCain-Palin 08!

Too funny that this announcement is made to debunk rumors.  The rumors have been out there since Palin announced her pregnancy.  Who announces a pregnancy to debunk rumors?  McCain claims to have known all along.  Not buying it. Why couldn't Palin debunk the rumors with facts?  Bristol's supposed current pregnancy just happens to be five months which would mean she couldn't have possibly have had another baby 5 months ago. This is just too over the top.

This is bad for the Republicans either way.  How can there not be one legitimate picture of Sarah Palin clearly pregnant in this day and age?  The pictures presented above do not clearly show her pregnant and there are more from the same time period that clearly show that she is not.  This story smells like there is some truth to it.  Now they announce the daughter is 5 months pregnant, very specific timeframe to try and defuse the rumors.  She either has the worst judgement ever or is a typical Republican cover up artist.  Either way it stinks.  This is John's Harriet Miers pick.

I agree...this should be the end of this blog. However, it may be the end of this blog but it is the beginning of more discussions to come on a much larger scale.

In my opinion, all of this proves one thing and one thing only:

Neither McCain nor Palin are fit to govern this great country.

The race should be declared over and if both parties put the money they were to spend on this election towards the deficit, ravaged Gulf Coast, the poor, etc.  Then we could all have a breather from this crap for the next few months before President Obama and Vice President Biden embark on the biggest task of their lives: re-establishing order in these United States of America.

The new (within the last hour) admission that Bristol is now 5 months pregnant is so convenient.  Now in a month or two she will "miscarry" and we'll be so sorry.  But that other, inconvenient, rumor that Trig was actually Bristol's will have been killed.

So the "discussion" goes something like this:

Blue: I have a question.

Red: You liberals are so hateful.

Blue: No, really, the facts puzzle me.

Red: Why don't you shut up. You're pathetic.

Blue: Because we're talking about someone who could be next in line as the most powerful person in the world. I need to trust them.

Red: You're a scumbag.

Blue: So please, help me with this.  There are issues of personal judgement, and I want to clear this up before I am asked to lend my vote.  It should be a fairly simple thing, yet no one seems to be able to provide any straight forward clarification.  Your response reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, when discovered, his response is "do not look behind that curtain".

Red: Go to hell you lousy puke. You and your liberal ilk should be go live elsewhere.

Blue: Wait a second. You don't respond to a single thing I say.  You simply attack.  

Red: You small minded, vicious, holier than thou, mealy mouth dirty diaper democRats...pathetic

Okay, here is the huge downside as I see it:

Palin (which, by the way continually reminds me of the failure of the Bush administration in revealing VALERIE PLAME as a CIA agent), has politicized the birth of the baby to her benefit, saying that she took a stand on having a baby with special needs instead of having an abortion. . . .

WHAT IF, in fact, it is her daughter's baby and Palin (again I think of VALERIE PLAME), did not find out about the pregnancy until it was too late to safely have an abortion and ,in addition to protecting her daughter (an admirable thing to do), stated the baby was hers and has been using it to politically benefit herself ( A VERY BAD THING TO DO) by saying see, not only do I not believe in a woman having the right to choose, I am walking the walk by CHOOSING to have a special needs baby instead of having an abortion (when it was never hers and she found out when it was too late any way)?

You "Obamanics" are the idiots.  Not only are you willing to hand this Country over to an unabashed socialist, your double-standards will never cease to amaze.  How about pursuing a relevant investigation into whether or not Obama has a valid US birth certificate, and is even eligible to be POTUS?  I thought a politicians "sexcapades" were "personal" and therefore irrelevant (you argued this defending Slick Willy and his abominable behavior)? And, I thought NObama has already declared spouses & family members "off-limits?"  But now, because McCain has indeed demonstrated his superior leadership ability and has out-gamed "Dumbama" in the VP stakes ya'll are threatened beyond belief. And of course, just like good little Stalinist/Socialists you want to destroy your political opposition by character assasination.  Conservatives are energized and Americans generally will rally around Palin, regardless of your feeble attempts to besmirch her.  Landslide for McCain/Palin on Nov. 4th & God-willing Pelosi/Reid out of power due to coattails, with Republican control restored to both Houses!!! Get used to it.  

Hey guess what!  Her daughter Bristol is pregnant now!!! (again?)

HOW MANY OF OBAMA'S CONSTITUENTS ARE SINGLE MOMS?

You know the Obama speeches about how fathers

need to be responsible and not abandon their

children's mothers. What hypocracy for Obama's

attack dogs to now smear Palin's family for their

daughters pregnancy.DAILY KOS ARE SCUM BAGS !!!

All you small minded people who are crucifying Governor Palin over the question of her fifth child, are just fueling a vicious smear campaign. Besides, if you want to exhibit your holier-than-thou attitude ... why don't you get even more angry at Obama, Michelle, and their children,  for spending 20 years in an anti-American racist church, as well as associations with Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, etc.. These facts are much more relevant to the next administration, than the possibility of a loving mother taking the heat to protect her child and grandchild.

Well that puts you stupid liberals BS to rest. Amazing , now you are condemning the family for not announcing her daughters pregnacy..HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PRIVACY you freaking morons. Her mom was trying to protect the pricavy of her daughter, but all you liberal nut cases analyzed each and every picture and made fun of her daughters sotmach..how sick.  Sarah did nothing wrong here....then you have other idiots on this blog wanting pictures and proof of Sarah's pregnancy, WTF? I'm sorry I didn't know you have to have a photo diary of your pregnancy's. BUNCH OF QUACKS!!!

Is the Bristol baby's father the same homeless guy who fathered children of Glocester, MA High girls?

Some lucky bastard!

As much as it seems farfetched, my crystal ball agrees with suecris and predicts that Bristol will have a miscarriage in the next couple of months.

Find the blog of McCain's daughter about the introduction of Palin as VP Candidate. Find the photo of just before the People photo shoot where it's a side view of them with the baby. Bristol looks exactly like I did when I was postpartum. Not 5 months pregnant.

I like it, give these war mongers,lying,scum bags neocons a taste of their own bitter pills. Remember the incongruous

statement that Obama is Muslim, who has a pastor, had his kids baptized in a church and believes Jesus is his saviour. Too many inconsistencies that makes me believe she is the granma. Desperate housewives for real!.

Worry about the issues, not baseless innuendo!

fitting that this Republican sided comments are being posted on babble.com, that's all it is... babble.  Uh, you guys are being mean to a canidate cuz yer scared, and uh, single moms also vote for Obama so... yah uh, shut up... nevermind that if these rumors (and of course they are nothing more than rumors so stop getting so worked up about it) turn out to be true then YOUR candidate for VP is a liar, and is lying to save her political career... but as we all know, most republican apparantly have no problem with voting for liars (how's that environmental responsibility Bush promised working out for us?)

If Bristol is PG, and in her 2nd trimester, there is not much chance she is Trig's mother. Also, the chance of a 2nd trimester miscarriage is a lot less. She does look PG in the 'Getting ready for the People photo shoot' pic at mccainblogette.com/.../083008_0928.shtml This one looks like the lesser of two evils, PG now vs being Trig's mom.

Charles, you say that if she's pregnant now she's not Trig's mother... she's due in December (if she got pregnant roughly the week Trig was born) so by election time we'll never know... she may not give birth till February, which would have given her plenty of time to be having her second child...

So, yah, I think that's what they're going for (she wasn't pregnant before because she's pregnant NOW) but it really shouldn't stomp out any rumors.

Dream on, Taylor.  Your party is about to take the longest hike along the "Bridge to Nowhere" and quite frankly, I can't wait to see it happen.  

Good luck living in the new America which stands for and lives by the rights of its total constituency and not just the wealthy.  You call that socialism?  You don't know what the word means!

My twin sister and I were born at 27 weeks gestation, and were flown from an AF base in Korea to the Philippines  in order for our mother to give birth. My mother is not skinny, and never was. Sarah Palin does not look like a waif or the most petite woman either. My mother did not show enough for anyone to willingly believe she was pregnant with twins and even if we were carried to full term, she probably still would not have shown nearly as much as most women with twins. Everyone is different and the fact that the baby has Downs made Sarah Palin's pregnancy unconventional from the get go.

   As for the recent news of her eldest daughter (real)pregnancy, I don't think it's fair to automatically assume as a 17 year old, she MUST have the same moral and political views as her parents.

AMAZING..now you freaks are predicting a miscarriage!!! Unless there is a camera in the delivery room you freaking nut cases will say its all a scam and she paid off some homeless pregnant girl for her kid.... I would be more concerned about barracks hate monger preacher and wife, shady Resko ..shall I go on.  Barrack has dont nothing in his entire COMMUNITY ORGANIZER career except give good speaches...we might as well elect his speech write , not him. Put barrack without a TelePrompTer and he's lost as shit..

I am a registered Republican who will vote for Obama.  We need sex education classes and to teach our children about credit.  The McCain camp did more negative ads against Obama instead of the issues.  For Palin to say that she is proud of her daughter's pregnancy and to be proud grand parents just bothers me.  They are also happy to she is going to marry the baby father.  Still would like to know about the cover up with the other child that Palin said she gave birth to.  I am so made at the Republicans right now it makes me sick.  

Todd,

tsk, tsk, tsk

Name calling is all you can come up with because your party is looking a lot like its looked for the past 8 years.  McCain / Palin for change?

Ha, I think not.  

So, between yours and Taylors posts, you claim that we are all socialist freaks for asking questions.  Perfect.  We're just supposed to lay down and take the force-fed lies from nominee who claims to put country first. Palin's selection was real wise on that front, eh?  

At least the Democratic nominee can READ the teleprompter. McCain's lack of speaking ability makes him sound like and look like Elmer Fudd half of the time.  Yep, we need 4 more years of that!

Well Todd, first and foremost I'd like to applaud your grammar, then I guess all I need to say is we will see him "lost as shit" during upcoming debates and you have nothing to worry about...

Todd, do we have to go into McCain's past?  Palin's past is shaky also.  You sound mad like me because McCain picked the wrong VP.  He really needed to think about it.  I feel he would have won this election and instead, he picked a 2 year Gov. who will be dog meat for Biden and his foreign affairs experience.  I am done with the Republicans.  I am so mad I can pull out all of my teeth.  I'm voting for Obama.  At least we can pick a new Republican in 2012.  

So Bristol got pregnant while out of school due to Mono?

And to also know that Palin supported the bridge to nowhere.  God I am pissed.

It is a FACT that the above photo was taken in 2006. Therefore, I believe this is the SECOND pregnancy for Bristol. That leads to the question, what happened to Bristol's FIRST baby?

Trig is only a few months old, so there is no way that Bristol would be pregnant with HIM in 2006. Also, OLDER women give birth to Down's syndrome kids. Ergo, I believe that Trig is Sarah Palin's child. BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO BRISTOL'S FIRST CHILD?!!

WHITE TRASH RULES!  THREE CHEERS FOR MCBUSH!  HE'S CHOSEN ROSEANNE FOR VP!  YEE-HAW!

Again, getting to my earlier post

Palin needs to produce her Medical Records proving her Pregnancy ~ PEROID !  End of Story !

Her daughter is now allegedly 5 months pregnant ??  That needs to be confirmed by an independent doctor as well. (which will never happen due to her right to privacy) .

With all this controversy , for all we know , Bristol could be 2 , 3  or 5 months pregnant. Obviously the most convenient is 5 months.  This All needs to be Verified !

You have to remember who you're dealing with , The Most Adept organization for deception in the 21st Century  " The Republican Party "

 Produce the Medical Records !

All this potential smoke screen stuff is clouding the facts ..and the facts still say that this story doesn't sound right.

Though there are many attacks, there has not been one fact presented to debunk the rumors.  How convenient that Bristol is suddenly pregnant, McCain knew about it, and they just now happen to release this information to debunk liberal rumors.  Why now?  Why weren't we told about her pregnancy when it was announced that Palin would be VP?  They told us all about Palin having children and one with DS.  They told us how she supports abstinence education and how Palin wouldn't have an abortion.  Why not tell us that her daughter wasn't having an abortion either?  Perhaps because Palin was not in fact vetted (as stated by McCain's camp) and he had no idea about the rumors about Palin's pregnancy.  They also had no intention or logical way of debunking the rumors except to some how show that it couldn't be Bristol's baby because she is magically exactly 5 months pregnant.  How about records and DNA tests?  This is the same thing that got us into Iraq.  Lies upon lies.

Hilarious. Now Bristol has been pregnant 3X, 4x, 5x????? PLEASE let the bias Liberal news pick this up.....it will be humiliating for the Democrat party.  this VP pick was PERFECT.  What is so funny is, Barrack has spent 120 days in the sentate...the rest has been campaiging for President, before that he was a community organizer...he has ZERO experience.  But hell Fat Oprah likes him..so all you homo lovin tree huggers need to love him to. Be sure to join Oprah's book club!!!!

Wow, Saint Thomas. Still looking for inconsistencies ?

Yes, you can still have sex while you are out of school. It may be against the rules, but it has been done.  :)

When did McCain interview her?

what a retard...

Todd, I'm getting the distinct feeling that you're wearin' military fatigues right now (though you're not in the military) and you're livin' somewhere about mid-state Idaho.

Am I right?

FREAKS.. Palin and her daughter dont need to produce shit for any of you quacks.  Let me make a who list of things I want verification of regarding Barrack, that I will never get, nor should I.

I still believe Obama got special treatment going to Harvard, his wife is a American hater, he is a Muslim loving freak, how long did he sell drugs??? Why are you associated and do business with a felon, and why did he help you out for $300k?  And dont even let me start with Biden , his closet has more skeletons than a grave yard?

IS Obama done visitng the 57 states he promised?

My issue is with Palin and her husband as parents.  First I cannot understand going back to work when an infant is 3 days old.  I also want to know why these parents are working so much that they do not know that their teenage daughter is having unprotected sex.  What kind of example are the Palins as parents?  Why weren't they aware of their daughter's comings and goings?  I am surprised that a so called educated family wouldn't have taught their daughter the dangers of having unprotected sex.  If they did it is apparent that the daughter totally disregarded their parental advice.  Perhaps teaching her to use protection would have been wiser since she was apparently willing to risk getting an STD or HIV/AIDS or having an unplanned pregnancy.

Taylor, I started to read your post with the intent to be understanding until I got to the part about Obama having a valid U.S. birth certificate.  Pure comedy or stupidity on your behalf.

Todd if you have questions which you feel are appropriate to ask about Obama you should ask them.  It seems that you have found answers for yourself and will not vote for him.  Okay he doesn't have your vote.  That's fine.

Now, just as you felt entitled to ask your questions about Obama, most Americans feel that it is okay if they ask questions about the Republican VP candidate.  You may not personally approve of the questions (and others may find your questions for Obama absurd) but people have as much of a right to make inquiries as you do.  This is the US, if you don't like that Americans are free to ask questions of their candidates then you should work to change the laws of the land.

I am just wondering why Obama's name is in this conversation?  This is about Palin and her daughter.  It's funny how McCain supporters can't come with a great defense other that a last effort ditch to throw Obama's name into some madness that has absolutely nothing to do with this.  He is NOT the father!!!!

You Liberal psychopaths are insane. Whats next blood tests? DNA? Gimme me a break. What we have here is a MOTHER who was PROTECTING her 17 yr old from the whack jobs like the posters here.  Nobody would have ever guessed the Liberals would super size every picture for the last decade ans start attacking her 17 yr old.

Now Palin is a bad parent becasue her daughter got pregnant at 17 years old? How do you know she wasn't having protected sex, things go wrong.  Whats next? Lie detectors to her daughter about having protected sex, and did your family know?

I hope the Dem's go down this road, it will piss off so many potential voters bashing a 17 yr old and obvious good mother. The Dem's will never learn on what is good/bad to base hate adds about. What's so funny is teh Dems are wasting all of their time on bashing teh VP not the Pres canidate...another dumb move. But the democratic party is full of dumb moves..Carry on morons.

I love the two top Dem's yesterday laughing about the Hurricane and how GOD hates the Republicans ...another great example of the Democratic party.

what a twist. i still believe that Trig is Bristol's son. i have 3 children of my own, and each time i was postpartum it still looked like i had a baby bump for a few months. that could easily explain why she is miraculously now "about 5 months" pregnant....to explain her postpartum weight. it doesn't take a genius to figure this stuff out. none of the pictures prove Sara Palin was pregnant, except the undated one taken years ago. the others simply show her wearing over-sized layered clothing on. even the one where her belly is pronounced, could easily be a high quality prosthetic belly "a la Desperate Housewives". and of course the most compelling thing is Bristol's absence from school.

i hate to say it, but i agree with the previous poster who mentioned that we should be watching for a miscarriage to happen just as miraculously as this pregnancy did for Bristol.

oh, and has anyone considered that hard partying teenagers also have a high rate for giving birth to babies with Down Syndrome and other birth defects??? those babies are not just had by middle-aged women.

Todd ... All  I have to say to you is " F.A.C.T.S"  

That's all We're asking for . Facts like Medical Records ~ I Witnesses To the Birth ~ ETC.

Facts are something that you RightWingers  like to shy away from.  It's amazing that you're not even willing to put this all to rest with  " FACTS" .  Of Course Todd in your mind they don't need to produce Shit . Because you fear what the facts may bring.  "The Truth" !

Well, it is all specualtion and will need to be proven beyond a shadow of a dout anyway...and to those who feel they need to degrade Bristol by calling her a whore or white trash - YOU need to slap yourselves for being so idiotic and downright stupid for making comments such as those....don't ya just love politics?

It would be most unusual for a pregnant woman who would not have an abortion under any circumstances to have an amniocentesis test.  It places the child under slight risk, and most right to life mothers won't have one.

If an adoption had been arranged, however, the test would be a requirement.

This lends great credence to the theory that the infant was poor Bristol's.

Grandmother, I agree.  These parents are not spending enough quality time with these 5 children. With all of the security provided for politicians it is hard to believe that they are so out of touch with their daughter that she would be able to get away from the home and engage in risky sexual behavior. This is a big disappointment to me.  I thought Sarah had it all together as a working mom, but that isn't the case.  They needed to teach this teenager some moral values.  The less time parents spend with their children the more likely these things seem to occur.

I agree with suecris  and others who thinks that there will be a miscarriage in the next month or so. Cynicism becomes me.

How does a person look after giving birth? Just like a person who is 4-5 mths pregnant if they are still eating for 2 and breastfeeding.

The McCain campaign have been trying to clean up all the websites with her photos in it and to try to change the date of the photos, but, Alaskans know the truth and if you go to a library in Alaska and look are the archieves you can find pictures.

Trying to stop the truth from emerging have failed and so now they have to create another story to put out the flame.

Indeed their lies lead to more lies and I betcha that gov. Palin will decline the post of vp by the end of the week citing the fact that her family have been a target of some smear campaign and that she will not put them through it.

This will make her look like a saint and rally all the right wingers back to base.

...and the soap opera continues... just the dialog we want surrounding the VP nominee... McCain should have stayed miles away from Palin.  So many more qualified (including women) republican leaders he could have chosen for VP.  Perhaps if Palin supported teaching sex education in schools, her daughter would have at the very least practiced safe sex...  

I've been defending the McCain choice for VP and it's getting hard to do!  Wish they'd (McCain camp) would just produce some evidence to end all of this!!!

aquarius - quite astute.  I wonder if the Rovians were planning this all along?  Let's put the question of whether a woman can lead right up there, then toss her to the wolves.

It's been a truly sad weekend in American politics.  Daytime TV doesn't get this bad.

Miscarriages? Bristol having 2 Babies right after each other?  Crazy ass bitches we have here. Talk about Democratic nut jobs, no wonder the Democratic party is a failure. Lets all bash on the 17 yr old!!!  Smart move Mensa's.

BTW, I was conserved while protection and contraceptives were being used. Does that make my mom WHITE TRASH or irresponsible?

Well if the daughter is the one on the right in the green top, I'd say that was a baby bump under there

Ancientcrone, I agree with you. I believe in pro-choice for women in general, but, I myself am pro-life.

When I was pregnant with my child I was 39 years old and they asked me if I wanted to get an amniocentesis test and I rejected it because I know that I will not choose to abort no matter what so why put my baby at risk.  

I am surprise that she took that test because imho, that would be a foolish thing to do because it endanger the life of the baby.

And I cannot believe that there is a doctor out there that is still practicing that would say that when the ammiotic fluid start leaking, it is still OK to take a flight back. She started leaking at 4am and she reached Alaska at 10:30pm and had that child at 6:30 am? That is over 24 hours.

I won't be surprise if poor Trig have more than downs syndrome. He might even have brain damage because once the ammiotic fluid is gone, the baby will be in distress. That doctor who allowed her to get on the plane instead of going to the nearest hospital should have her license suspended pending an investigation.

I Love Palin even more now. No matter what the pressure she protected her daughter form the wolves. I love this pick and the polls/weekend donations show Americans LOVE THIS PICK.

What proof do you idiots need? NOBODY is the history of politics has ever had to prove by blood tests or what ever loony method you want over a matter like this.  Nobody high up on the Democratic side will ever ask becasue its lunacy. IF the crazy Dem's thought this baby gate was a issue it would be front line news coming format he mouths of the superiors in charge, not a bunch of crazy bloggers.

BTW you folks see Brees fake belly on Desperate Housewoves to cover for her daughter?

Savannah what do you feel the mom was protecting the daughter from?  They have now announced that she is pregnant out of wedlock. What was Sarah protecting Bristol from in your opinion?  Also if Sarah is so concerned about the family's privacy why would she accept the VP position?  Sarah is smart enough to know the scrutiny national candidates and their families endure.  If she couldn't figure that out, then she really is not ready for a national stage.  I mean, my goodness was she asleep during the Clinton administration??   I'm sure Sarah was aware of all of the questions being asked since she announced her pregnancy.  Did she think they would go away because she would be the VP?  

I had my daughter, beautiful BTW, and I was having protected sex. Does that mean I'M not responsible? Should my parents have taught me better?

Well, damn.

I am amazed how very strident Todd and other conservatives seem to be about this.  

I don't see how Bristol being pregnant right now actually answers the questions about the pictures, or about Palin's judgement on the day she delivered the baby.  Yes, pregnancy is different each time, but I have yet to hear any qualified medical person say that waiting 11 hours after leaking is anything but endangering the baby.

However, if this is a snow job, then the MSM appears to have swallowed this hook, line, and sinker.  the question is, will the Dems, and/or the National Enquirer?

I hate to say this, but if this is a coverup, then we may be relying to folks like the Enquirer to do the hard investigative reporting.  After the Edwards coup, I can't imagine they would give up the ghost so easily...

I really, really would like to just let Bristol Palin just live her life, but her mother - and the people she is now very closely attached to - made other choices.

The reason people may not believe this is because of the *documented* lies and deception that the Bush Administration have used over the last 8 years.

How about this - if Karl Rove, Harriet Meiers, and Alberto Gonzalez are all willing to testify before Congress *under oath*, honoring the subpoenas legally issued by Congress, then I will let the whole Bristol Palin thing drop.  

Todd, you say we are slime, but an administration which lies to take us into war and then proceeds to cover it up, and breaks all precedent with its claims of "executive privilege" - THAT is slime.

But then, since you've shown such capacity for calm and reasoned discussion, I'm sure you'll have a clear, simple answer to that too, right?

*sigh*

this is total crap. this lady is a compulsive liar! who could return to work 3 days after giving labor? i gave birth and i wanted to stay with my baby for a couple months before i was comforable with leaving her with my husband. Palin will definetly have to decline her "post of vp". Mccain will have a hard time with her. she will be gone.

this is total crap. this lady is a compulsive liar! who could return to work 3 days after giving labor? i gave birth and i wanted to stay with my baby for a couple months before i was comforable with leaving her with my husband. Palin will definetly have to decline her "post of vp". Mccain will have a hard time with her. she will be gone.

Aquarius,

I think you nailed it, that's the endgame (for this part, at least)... so the question is, who do they take instead? One of the three other listed finalists, or some other token?

My bets would be on, say, Kay Bailey Hutchison, since she's got to be at the top of the (rather short) list of Female Republicans with Experience.  

Of course, maybe McCain will pull another coup and get Condi Rice, but since she is living with another woman and sharing a line of credit, I have a feeling that won't happen.

I am a McCain supporter and this all makes me sick. McCain should have put a strong person on the ticket like Romney.  Mac ran scared early. He thought he had to get this Palin a so called reformer.  He should have taken Romney and in time people would have realized that the Republican ticket is much stronger than the Obama/Biden ticket.  He should have had patience. I am praying that this Palin woman steps aside for the good of the party.  She can say that she wants to spend more time with her daughter and baby.

Hey Todd,  Here's the empirical fact: Palin is a Baby Momma's Momma!

I guess Obama recieved special treatment in being Editor of the Harvard Review as well.  Todd...you sound silly!  Somehow I get the feeling that the Obama's oldest daughter could score higer than you on the SAT...even at age 10.

Affrimative Action does not earn you success.  Being the best can never be given. Also, Obama has raised more money than any political figure in the history of the USA.  Many blacks have run for president, non, white or black have achieved that success.  That's due to Obama's academic brilliance and political skills in strategizing, planning, organizing, mobalizing, and  properly staffing his campaign.  In short, that's leadership, not Affirmative Action!

PALIN: BABY MOMMA'S MOMMA

Bright, enlightened families raise bright enlightened children.  

Palin's daughter at age 16 was having unprotected sex, acting like some poor black girl from backwater mississippi or South Side Chicago.  That's the facts.

She was having this unprotected sex while her 44 year old mother, who should have been attending to her family and concentrating on the peoples' business of Alaska, was irresponsibly making her 5th baby knowing the factually documented health risks associated with having a baby at this late age in her life.  Palin gambled her teenage daughter's life and the life of baby Trig...and she lost twice! I will not let her gamble mine!

Sarah Palin is not some uneductaed poor inner mother born into poverty, violence, and social decay.  She's an educated politician and Governor!  

Beyond being mayor of a city smaller than a NY City apartment complex (example. Co-Op city apartmnets...15,000 residents), and the governor of a state (pop. 670,000) 1/3 the size of Brooklyn, NY (pop 2.3 Million), Palin, as it turn out is just another Baby momma's mamma...

She sets back woman light years. She just proved what so many think.  That woman cannot effectively raise a child and hold a big job.....PALIN GETS A ZERO!!!!!

SHE FAILED! NOT BECUASE IT CANNOT BE ACHIEVED, BUT BECAUSE SHE SELFISHLY & IRRESPONSIBLY OVER REACHED IN HAVING BABY TRIG AT AGE 44, AND NEGLECTED HER 16 YEAR OLD WHO OBVIOUSLY NEEDED HER AT A CRUCIAL DEVELOPMENTAL STAGE IN HER LIFE....WHAT A FAILURE!!!!!

It's pretty simple everyone: If she had been properly vetted by the candidate who claims to put his country first and is the proponent of “straight talk”, then these issues would have surfaced before now.

As it turns out Sarah Palin has already lied to the American people - one, about her fight in the “Bridges to Nowhere” project which she solidly supported until it wasn’t going to work for her politically, and second (and most reprehensible to me) preaching her Christian pro-life, pro-family values while concealing her teenage daughter’s pregnancy (and which pregnancy she’s covering up, we don’t yet know). That’s family values for you a la the right wing of the Republican party. “Look at us,” the perfect family image until something leaks and then try a new spin to make us look heroic.

It would seem to me that she needs to attend to her children first. I’m all for working mothers, but this is really sad that she would even bother to accept the V.P. nomination with a newborn with special needs and a daughter that is pregnant and needs her Mom more than anything. If this is a female leader whom you Repubs and Independents can support - go for it. But you’ll be walking on the newly built “Bridge to Nowhere” Republican party platform.

Curiouser and Curiouser,

McCain will not take another woman to replace Palin. He will definitely take a guy next. A friend. Someone who is in his real short list. The one that goes on TV supporting his choice .... maybe... sen. Lindsay Graham.

So bristol was actually 16 when she got pregnant is this what we want to support for.?????? only in Alaska..

Damn this blog is funny!~ Now you imbeciles think she is going o resign the VP nomination after she has been a HUGE hit within and outside of the party? 95% of the people dont even care about the baby gate crap. There's no conspiracy, and her 17yr old is pregnant. SO f'ING WAHT!!!!

The end game is this make her more likable in my view. Palin isn't going anywhere, McCain knew about this so its not a surprise. Washington Post  just said she was Vetted by the CIA...

What this whole argument does prove is that the founding fathers and George Washington were right; political parties have led us to poor choices for President and VP. The man/woman with the most votes should be President and the 2nd most should be VP, no matter what party they are from. Well, too late now...

wow its amazing all the assumptions, etc.  one thing where do we get the factual info about exactly how long bristol was out of school?  can someone point me there? thanks

As for the "bump" Bristol looks like a healthy size young lady and my 13 year old  step daughter has normal legs and arms but a huge belly unfortunately!  (very similar)  

I was 8 months pregnant before anyone noticed.  As for the fluid story, why tell it if its a lie? Makes no sense at all.  Also usually girls who try to hide pregnancy (I know I was pregnant at 17) where loose clothing, not tight dresses and shirts (though they are the style now)

And blaming this on her parents either way (pregnant now or prior) is not fair, we have no idea.  children raised in the exact same environment can turn out completely differently.   so many factors come into play.  I appreciate the young woman who posted about overweight young ladies, etc.

Whatever is true its pretty sick to delve into this crap,if the entire truth is her daughter is now pregnant its pretty sad to spin the rest of this.

shameful really

No matter what human life is important to Palin, while Obama would leave babies to die in trashbins. sick

Its easy to realize why they didn't Announce her pregnancy. Plain accruing to most sources has been #1 choice for weeks now. They kept her nomination secret. Why give the democrats reason to start their BS slander before the announcement and the bounce. Smart move by the republicans . No need to preempt the positives with something the Republicans knew the Dem's would jump on.

Well now the Republican platform can be about how Sarah has  reformed family values.  She and John make a great pair.  They can advocate divorce and teenage pregnancy.  What wonderful examples for our nations' families.  Perhaps Bristol and Sarah can go around the nation promoting abstinence ed. "Do what I say, not what I do," can be the slogan.

If Sarah Palin wants privacy for her and her family, she sould drop out of the race.

Obama had nothing to do with this so LEAVE HIM OUT OF THIS.

I feel so sorry for Palin. Her selfish mother exploiting this making her get married which will lead to divorce. Palin puts her CAREER FIRST...so so sad.

How do you fools know she was having unprotected sex? I can list 10 ways to get pregnant while having unprotected sex, but I'm sure you're old enough to figure them out.

And I still cant fore the life of me figure out how her 17 yr old getting pregnant has any reflection on her.

I love how you now compare her daughter to "SOME POOR BLACK GIRL FROM MISSISSIPPI or SOUTH SIDE CHICAGO" . I'm glad you're a racist.

maybe they did not announce her pregnancy because it was a private family matter and until friday were not in the national spotlight, maybe its what Bristol and her boyfriend wanted.  yes it would b nice if she could stay home with her family right now.  However from what I have read her husband is being stay at home dad right now and will continue to do so.  They are not wealthy, someone needs to work, so why shouldn't it be mom?

thing is if they were not principled people they would just push their daughter to have an abortion and none of this would see the light of day and there would be another dead child.

maybe they did not announce her pregnancy because it was a private family matter and until friday were not in the national spotlight, maybe its what Bristol and her boyfriend wanted.  yes it would b nice if she could stay home with her family right now.  However from what I have read her husband is being stay at home dad right now and will continue to do so.  They are not wealthy, someone needs to work, so why shouldn't it be mom?

thing is if they were not principled people they would just push their daughter to have an abortion and none of this would see the light of day and there would be another dead child.

Rick I don't know what your sources are but mine say just the opposite. Mac picked her against the wishes of his camp. They didn't have time to fully vet her.  It is best if she steps down.  Romney is a much better qualified candidate and his family is above reproach.  He has a good head for economics and could blow Biden out of the water. This was a dumb stunt by Mac but it is not too late to rectify it.  By the time the media is done with all of this it will just make the party look bad.

Why am I not surprised. Sarah is, against Sex Education, against gays having any rights,and I read and heard Sarah Palin is a holy roller who speaks in tongues, believes that dinosaurs lived along side Adam and Eve. That Polar Bears should not be on the endangered list. What do you expect from her children? It must be very difficult to have them two for parents, and worse for us if she or McCain get elected.

The extreme religious right is Americas downfall.

update your page, Trig is Sarah's son.  Her daughter looks pregnant because she is pregnant, five months as of today.  Now will you apologize for prepetrating this ridiculous rumor, of course not.

Nice misstep by the Republicans here on the Palin choice! Dems better not screw up their opportunity

Why don't you credit Dailykos for all your photos and story? You blatantly plagiarized while failing to produce any new information. What a waste of a website.

As a physician - and a pilot - with a wife who delivered four children at home, I can tell you there are many things that don't jibe.  First of all, she ain't preggers in those pictures.  She has no belly and no breasts.  Interestingly, her daughter seems in that family photo to have both.  Secondly, women on their fifth delivery often go in minutes, not twelve hours.  Thirdly, they only pressurize planes to 10,000 feet, so she flew twelve hours with a disabled baby at half oxygen pressure?  Hmmm.....I think the fundies are falling once again prey to their own sanctimony.  Could this register any higher on the schadenfreude-o-meter?  No.  

Poor girl.  She is in waaaay over her little punkin' head.

   Baby: Update YOUR page. You seem to think that Palin telling the truth about her daughter's pregnancy. Don't you think it possible that there is no pregnancy. All these people have to do is keep the daughter out of sight for awhile and declare a miscarriage.

To "Biz" who quoted:

" No matter what human life is important to Palin, while Obama would leave babies to die in trashbins. sick "

Get Real You Clown  !  if Palin has her way with Outlawing abortion ..we "Know" by past history that the "TrashBin" babies that you refer to will only Increase by the ten's of Thousands courtesy of  the Brutal Assault from the tip of a Cloths Hanger in the Back Alleys of this Country !

Again People Demand "FACTS"  ~~~  Medical Records, Eye-Witness Sworn statements by those who assisted in the Delivery of Palin's DS Baby  ~  PERIOD !    All else is pure speculation and Bull ...   GET TO THE TRUTH .

We the voters need to get focused back to the ISSUES.

But then again , if Palin turns out to be a Liar , Then what bigger issue of the day is there ?

ok lets see....

Bristol was pregnant, mother covers it up. now she is pregnant again and mother cant help in the spotlight so she will marry the father and keep the child.

Did anyone stop to think son went to war right after Trig's birth could the baby have down because the father is her brother?

It doesn't really matter cause the truth will come out. If the mother did cover it up why would we want her in office covering up other IMPORTANT stuff?

Looks like she needs to stay in her home town and worry about raising her family and there "problems"

McCain might not make it 4 more years why give her a chance to mess up our country more than what she has done to her family. I don't plan on voting for mccain. Obama isn't who i wanna vote for either but how much more damage can he do after BUSH has already has us at rock bottom?.....

Now it's come to light that Bristol, Gov. Palin's eldest daughter, is actually 7 months Pregnant at age 17. So, it's pretty obvious that Bristol could not be on her second pregnancy so soon and there are absolutely no merits to this conspiracy theory.  

However, I think that there are some merits to the argument that Gov. Palin is not giving her youngest infant son, nor her pregnant teenage daughter the time they need from their Mother.  Trip wasn't nurtured nearly enough in the womb, as is clear by not only the photos of his completely skinny and underweight pregnant mother who is self-admittedly an exercise freak.  In her 6th month of pregnancy she was quoted as saying, "I like running hills, it kills me.  That's why I like it; I mean, it thrashes your guts and your lungs and your thighs."  'Thrashing your guts' while 6 months pregnant'?  

Then, there's the evidence of her giving a speech after her water broke and not getting to the hospital right away like any normal person would do caring for the life of the unborn child inside of them.  Then, furthermore- she flew back to Alaska and then travelled to far away small town of which she used to be the Mayor.  No wonder the child was premature.  Palin is clearly puting her political career over her children. Women simply need to take excellent care of themselves when they are pregnant.  This is a terrible example for the advancement of women.  And yes, it is possible that her tremendously intense political work schedule and work-out schedule with her age could have contributed to this child's retardation.  

Palin has enough to worry about in her own Family to take on managing the entire USA.

You people are all nuts... I am a resident of Wasilla, AK, the Palin's hometown.  I have seen Bristol very recently and she is 5 months pregnant- due in December.  The father is her boyfriend who she goes to school with.  Trig is Sarah's baby and he does have Down Syndrome.  I can't believe that this has gone on so long.  These are real people, not a lifetime movie and all of you need to get a hobby other than spreading untrue statements and fueling horrible rumors.  I can't imagine how you would feel if someone was saying these things about your family.

I can see Palin with a gun pressed against the guy's head.  He is probably so sorry that he had sex with Bristol. If he wanted to marry her prior to the pregnancy why didn't they just get engaged and wait to have sex like I'm sure their parents taught them.  Gotta give it to this chick she was definitely hot in the pants.  She had to do some serious sneaking around to  meet and have sex with this guy.  

Statement form Obama:

"I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits".

This whole mess is full of what would be perceived as human mistakes..............Palin's decision to fly while in a late high risk pregnancy  (if indeed she was EVEN PG w/Trig...that's another issue), overreaching professional goals at the risk of undermining familial responsibilities, preaching abstinence only(see that doesn't work...sorry) .....we could go on & on.

Mistakes don't happen to only people of one party. When democrats make them the repugs are very quick to criticize; however, when repugs make them then we should feel sorry for them.  Sorry...can't have it both ways.  

so let's look @the bottom line ....This country needs change & McCain/Palin ticket can't deliver that. Both of their actions have shown that. So let's leave the teenager alone & focus on the issues.....foreign & domestic policy changes.

We recently went to Cancun in June for a wedding and my friend was 7 months pregnant had to get a note to fly. The airlines would not let her fly otherwise. So your telling me Sarah was 9 months pregnant and in labor allowed to fly. That is a weak judgment and dangerous for her and the baby if this is true.

Press: "Governor Palin, you've already said you got tested in the hospital months before giving birth and the doctors told you that your son would have Down's Syndrome. You also told us of your "breaking water" and flying home to Juneau, and then travelling to Wasilla to have Trig in the small local hospital there. Clearly you've already revealed most aspects of your preganancy to the media verbally. are you going to release your hospital and medical records to stanch these rumors that you are not, actually, the birth mother of Trig? Something like the birth certificate?"

Palin: "My daughter's five months pregnant! Give her some privacy!"

Gillian,

Nice to hear from a resident of Wasilla. Tell us again how you know all this? Palin has done her best to keep this fact from everybody, even those working with her on a daily basis.

Are you family or friend of Bristol or are you a GOP troll who is going around trying to debunk theories? Just produce proof and everybody will quiet down. Don't be like China though and fabricate evidence. ;)

Many good comments here....this story is not going away soon, I believe.  Sarah Palin, in one way or another, has shown poor judgement in the way she handled either her recent pregnancy or her daughters's... and McCain has shown poor judgement in not completely vetting Palin before making his decision.  This carelessness is not what we need in a leader of the free world.  McCain is damaged now, I believe, and it would not surprise me if Palin is asked to step down.  But the damage is done. That is my take at this time, no matter who's baby is who's. I don't think there is enough time for the Repubs to control this damage in the eyes of most Americans (excluding the right-wing conservative evangelicals who will fight on) But the rest of us are ready for a real change after the last 8 years! My son has been to Iraq twice and that is enough. We need a new approach to regain our leadership status in this difficult world.

Are you saying that Mrs. Anthony (I mean Mrs. Palin)is NOT the mother of Trig? No one would use a fake pregnant suit to cover-up a pregnancy by their 16 year old daughter, especially if they are a conservative, right to life, family values person. Perhaps Cacee (I mean Bristol) knows who the real mother is but is concerned for the safety of the child. The real test is, who is breast feeding the child? I would bet that Mrs. Palin can only give him air.

Leave Sarah and her family alone for goodness sake! The pregnancy photos of Sarah clearly show her face, arms and legs as larger than normal. Even if there is not a good angle on her belly. I would much rather have McCain and Palin in office than the elitist and hateful Obama and Biden. Obama supports partial birth abortion. Google it and you will see exactly what occurs to a fully developed fetus during this process. This is inhumane and sickening. And Obama has a half brother residing in a hut in Africa. So much for helping the poor and disadvantaged.    

I think if they don't announce Palin as VP at the convention we have a chance.  She should step down now! It's the perfect time to get Romney on the ticket.  Mac made a mistake but it is not the end of the world.  She's has to go though.  I can't see myself voting for a ticket with Palin on it.  

The primary issue here is not teen pregnancy, though I would imagine the folks who advocate early and open sex education will have a field day with right-wing "abstinence-only" programs.  The issue is also not pro-choice vs. pro-life, since many pro-choice women have not opted for abortion themselves when faced with an unwanted or "special needs" pregnancy.

The issue is honesty and integrity, and that in a woman whose claim to fame is cleaning up corrupt government.  The public needs to know if this woman walks the talk, or if she has a different set of ethics for herself.  We used to call it "situational ethics", and the Republicans have become past masters at it.

Whatever choices the Palin family makes and have made are theirs to own, but having chosen to be a heartbeat away from assuming the presidency from an elderly, ill man, Sarah Palin can no longer claim those decisions are private.

Very Simply .  

MEDICAL RECORDS...MEDICAL RECORDS ..MEDICAL RECORDS !

VERY SIMPLY !

Demand Sarah Palin to produce them . Produce that along with the Eye~Witnesses the public Must Demand it.

  All else is pure speculation.

7months ~ 5 Months ~ 3 Months of Bristol's Alleged pregnancy don't mean squat . It can all be a cover-up ..

             I don't see how they could fake Bristol's current pregnancy. And it's difficult to believe Bristol would allow herself to get pregnant immediately after giving birth to a down's syndrome baby.

The Accusation against Sarah Palin is that she is Faking a Pregnancy and Birth of DS Child -  Period !

Medical Records will Clear this up ... Produce Them !

Demand It !

I do not know if Trig is Sarah's or Bristols. They are saying Bristol is about 5 months pregnant. She may very well be and Trig may not be Bristols.

This new info does not prove anything about Trig though.

A) Uhm.. she may not be pregnant (or she may be)does not prove anything about Trig in itself.

B) Bristol may be 3-4 months pregnant and still be Trigs mom. My sister had a baby a month late (the baby was huge, 14 lbs). Let us see when and if this baby is born.

For those who say you cannot have one baby after another, well I guess I do not exist then because I was conceived about 45 days after my brother was born.

For posters who keep saying lets drop this and talk about political issues, uhmmm... please see what board you are on as this is not the place for political issues. There are plenty of boards out there that are talking about political issues.

I am sure those who are saying it is cruel would never think twice about smearing Britneys sister, or some other young girl getting knocked up. But oohhh nooo, we all need to shut up(otherwise the terrorist will win) when it comes to your candidate.

hey you wanna diss this story, fine, I would like to know the truth. Back it up with evidence then. Leave the political bias and name calling of posters for somewhere else.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves for perpetuating and making this rumor worse than it was originally.  Conspiracy theory, cover up... how ridiculous!  It was just like Jr. High all over again to read through these comments and see the fervor build.  I wouldn't have been surprised if you had suggested stoning the entire family.  Bet you all feel stupid now that the daughter is 5 months pregnant.

I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but you can bet I'll be spending my time in more productive ways than finding delight in spreading unfounded, nasty rumors about any of the candidates.

Maury Povich can clear this whole thing up.

Have him test the boyfriend and Palin's husband.

This woman and her running mate are supposed to stand for "values", which normally includes appropriate parenting and instilling wisdom in your kids. Maybe the Palins should build a web site (how about contraceptives411.com?) and make sure their kids and others learn the rudiments of Not Getting Pregnant. It's obvious Just Say No ain't working in the Palin family, but then, it ain't working anywhere in the U.S. or the rest of the globe. Get real, Republicans! Teach contraception!

Palin has no credibility to speak about anything now.  She can't even give family advice now.  She can only show how she has 5 children and was unable to keep her minor teenage daughter from engaging in premarital sex.  Just what our country needs, a family that promotes teenage sex and pregnancy.  What an example for our youth. I take no pride in a possible (something happens to McCain) first family with such low morals. If they can't even instill decent morals in their teenager and control her sexual behavior, I just have no respect for them.   I see it all the time, parents not spending enough time with their teens and not knowing where they are at all times. Then it's oops, we can't take responsibility for the actions of our minor child. Yeah, you can, you failed to instill decent morals in your kid, so look in the mirror and own up to it.

you guys watch too many soaps

you guys watch too many soaps

Do you know what they call people who teach their children that abstinence is the only birth control?  Grandparents !

Bless you John.  This lady can't even keep track of her own family in a state with less than 700K and we are supposed to let her be VP of the nation?? HAH!!  What a blessing for the Dems.  Please continue to make dumb ass decisions John.

The truth will come out, no matter how hard Palin and her public relations people try to cover.  They should've learned!  Prior presidents and other politicians have attempted to weave elaborate stories, which came back to bite them big time.

I agree with the others that believe Bristol gave birth to baby Trig last spring.  She still (conveniently) has her post-baby bulge, which causes her to look pregnant now.  This alleged (non-existent) pregnancy will likely end in a heart-wrenching loss, geared to tug at voter's hearts like a sappy greeting card.  Seems more like a script for a Lifetime TV network movie than reality.

Heck, if Jerry Springer and Maury Povich were in charge of this, we'd already have the answer !  ;-)  

Christi ,

If you haven't made up your mind for whom you're going to vote for yet (and for anyone else for that matter) with these Clear Difference between the two Parties and Candidates ??  

Then I really Pray For You.

People who are saying that it isn't the parents fault are just making excuses.  In my state if the children do not attend school the parents are held responsible so I certainly think the parents are responsible for their child's sexual behavior too. There would be a lot less teenage pregnancies if parents would take responsibility for their children.

MSNBC just reported that Palin has hired an attorney to represent her in the "troopergate" scandal. She'll never make that VP acceptance speech. The Repubs will use the hurricane to delay it, and she will drop out to "heroically spare her family the trauma of public scrutiny". McCain has stepped on his di-...er, manhood...with track shoes.

So she flies for 12 hours while about to give labor to a special needs child???

Either she is the worst morther out there (didn't she learn better from all the other children) or else she doesn't believe in medicine or any science.

She wants to teach creationism and "Abstinence only" after all.

So she flies for 12 hours while about to give labor to a special needs child???

Either she is the worst morther out there (didn't she learn better from all the other children) or else she doesn't believe in medicine or any science.

She wants to teach creationism and "Abstinence only" after all.

You guys are so stupid. You CAN be pregnant, even at her age, even with your 2nd, 3rd, or 4th child and not show. Not ALL of us become huge cows. Next, everyone assumes that she "risked" her baby by flying when her water broke and she was pg. with a special needs baby. Um... has it been determined she had an amnio to see that the baby had down's??? Maybe she didn't know he was special needs. 3rd.. who has PROVEN that a. none of these pictures have been photoshopped or b. that the pictures of her daughter are not in fact CURRENT pictures?

Wow this is very interesting, can't wait to hear the end of this story!!!

Folks !  I just saw the story brake on CNN with Wolfe Blitzer , Bill Bennette , Donna Brazil , and Gloria .

Bill Bennette almost had a heart attack vehemently claiming that this type of Journalism has no place on CNN .  I thought he was literally going to POP !!!  (catch a replay if you can )

Folks, This is now a Story .  They are going to claim all sorts of things to try to cover up this story. Claiming that this is a Private Family Issue to protect Bristol ETC etc..etc.

True .. Bristol deserves privacy , but don't let them cloud the issue ..  The fact is the Sarah Palin is accused of Faking a Pregnancy .  She needs to produce Medical Records.

Now watch them dance around the issue and try to divert, spin and sell you on  the fact that  " YOU ARE CRAZY " anyone else suggesting likewise is too !

This is a Classic cover up  ... stay tuned and watch the Smoke & Bull.

Will Palin still be advocating using tax payer money for abstinence only programs?  What a joke. And why doesn't she just clear up all of the speculation regarding her own pregnancy?  BS this is a private matter.  This country had to see Monica's blue dress.  After that intrusion into a politician's life, all bets are off.  I refuse to let the Republicans dictate what is off limits.  They would be screaming this from the mountain tops if this involved Democrats.  Let's get some facts.  I have a feeling this Palin is a sh*tty mom who puts career above all. I'll bet her daughter hates her.

Didn't Sarah know how much this would put the national spotlight on her daughter?  The decent thing to do would have been to forgo this time as VP.  She is young enough that she could run another time.  I feel just terrible for the daughter having her personal business become a national discussion.  I just cannot believe that Sarah would not know to expect this coverage.  What was she thinking?  Step down and down and do what is best for your daughter.

Under normal common sense leadership, Palin would either be asked to backout or she would be dismissed. Her problems are taking and will continue to take away from any message McCain wants to get out and will certainly hurt his message on no experience for Obama. I don't support Obam or McCain and will write in my Candidate in November....but I live in MS and we have one of the longest serving most respected Senators from both sides of the Isle..Senator Thad Cochran. When Palin drops out, surely McCain would see the common sense in pickung Cochran as a Running Mate..........wait, I forgot about a Bookmark I had on McCain and Cochran: www.realchange.org/mccain.htm          

"The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." -- Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi, who has known McCain for 35 years.

Hopefully this will open the doors and allow our country to have a national discussion about teenage pregnancy.  Teenage pregnancies are so risky, often jeopardizing the health of the mother and the infant.  We need to discuss whether abstinence only programs really do work.  The Palins should lead the discussion. It was only after Rock Hudson let the world know that he had AIDS that we began to discuss the issue and search for solutions.  We need to use this as a learning opportunity.  Bristol shouldn't have to hide in shame. I have heard people say if only she had kept her legs closed when disucssing girls who get pregnant out of wedlock.   We need to have a real discussion and address the problem.

By the way, the Media has picked up on another point I had made at another Blog. I am pro-life, so is Palin. I am for truth because God's word says Lying is an abomination.

www.theage.com.au/.../running-mate-palin-goes-a-bridge-too-far-20080901-4774.html

hk.youtube.com/watch

blogs.tnr.com/.../did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx

1.  There is NO WAY McCain knew about the pregnant kid, until today.  Otherwise he would have disclosed the information in a very carefully crafted statement along with the announcement of Palin for VP.

2.  If Trig was born to the kid, and Sarah doctored the birth certificate, she is guilty of a FELONY, along with doctors, hospital, etc.

3.  Why would a 43 year old woman, who is the governor of a state, allow herself to become pregnant.  

4.  Tomorrow there will be some proof from medical sources that Trig is Sarah's......if not,..... she's GONE......

I feel sorry for Bristol. She is still a child.

Please be considerate to her.

When individuals decide to be in  public life there is no privacy for them and their immediate family.

Sarah Palin can offer a DNA testing and clear the matter.

My sympathies to the daughter who has now been put in this position which will ALWAYS exist for her regardless of whose child it is. My issues are not with a young (no matter how grownup a 17yr may seem to some these days) girl who not only has to navigate & plan her future but now has to do so in the public eye.And trust me, she will be watched by the media. BOTH of her parents had a responsibility to this CHILD & they chose a path that is not the best for any of their children. What could have been the conversation in that household? We have a baby with special needs & now a child who will be having a child so I really must get back to work with 2 days of birth! God forbid any sacrifice is made by the adults. I don't blame them for either situation but sometimes the needs of your family MUST come before your own ambition, regardless if you feel your ambition has a "calling" to help mankind.

And Abby is right..her flying back to give birth was ridiculous. I work for a carrier & can tell you that no pregnant woman is permitted to fly with 28 days of her due date. She not only put her special needs infant at great risk, herself but also the passengers on board. Every pilot (which apparently she is supposed to be) knows that Take-off & landing is the riskiest part of the flights. So if her labor suddenly progressed & she as well as the infant were in distress then the carrier would have had to make an emergency landing. And depending how many hours you are into the flight fuel would have to be dumped for a safe landing. At the very least this is selfish & stupid. Absolutely know judgement on her part. I would be this annoyed if this was an "average" person doing something like this but a pilot & a Governor? That's very nice that many think she is a sweet, likable person but come on!! And by the way NO doctor that I have ever heard would OK a woman to board an 11hour flight once you have leaked or your water broke. Please, doctors won't even give a repeat prescription for something as benign as a UTI without seeing you 1st. So you think a doctor thousands of miles away would say sure go ahead & fly! And by the way..wouldn't your husband tell you to stay put & he will come to you..just get to a doctor. She & her husband (& her doctor if the story is true) lack soooo much judgement it makes my head spin. I would never put my daughter though this, EVER! My children mean more to me than this job right now. If she is so good & talented at her present job what's the harm in waiting to be tapped for a position in a future administration?

With some of the terminally ignorant statements found here, it is no wonder incompetent, thieving, lowlife politicians like George Bush can sell America and it's future to their friends, the Chinese and the Arabs while you morons preoccupy yourselves with irrelevant, childish drivel.

I can see why they don't support education, a stupid populace and television full of bs is the first step to lead you morons around by the nose while you waste your time on nonsense.

WAKE UP BEFORE ITS OVER!!!!!

She should be found out now and get rid of her before she is nominated into office as VP.

Wow!! I really hope that the women of america don't let the republicans degrade us in this way! To think we are so stupid as to vote for a female just for that fact alone!! What a wonderful candiate, shooting animals, ignoring endangered species acts, drilling for oil, what a wonderful future we could have??????? If it is her baby and her daughter is pregnant, it's obvious she doesn't use birth control herself, why would she ever teach her daughter Values??? and how not to get pregnant. And if it is a cover up, see ya later MCCain you old ass fart!!!!!

Sarah Palin is a former beauty queen, an avid hunter and NRA member, she has 5 kids, one of whom is pregnant, she fights with her ex brother-in-law, and her husband has had a DUI.  Back in West Virginia we have a name for the Palin's: REDNECKS.

Guess most of you have missed the latest news:  Bristol really is pregnant now.  It was announced yesterday.  Pop's name is Levi.  I think the truth will come out eventually about the prior pregnancy, but we must all agree that they will henceforth be known as The Prolific Palins.

As a parent of teenage daughters, I know it is difficult to watch and control their every move.  So I'll give Sarah the benefit of the doubt that she was a good mother.  WAS is the operable word here.  Because a good and concerned mother would NEVER throw her daughter into the limelight for the sake of a political campaign.  She should step down and allow the campaign to move forward without all of these significant distractions.

Here's the link:

www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

Does anyone truly believe that the governor would fly 8 hours (while in labor) from Texas to Alaska to give birth to her son Trig? Who would allow her to do such a thing? Airlines won’t let you fly late in pregnancy much less a 44 year old female governor in active labor. Talk about needlessly endangering the lives of child and mother!

Obviously, there is only one reason for that trip. She HAD to be in Alaska when that child was born. She wanted to be nearby when the child was born.

And what parent would allow their 14-yr-old daughter to “date” a 23-yr-old-man. Anyone ever hear of Debra LaFave? She was 23 and her student was 14! What kind of judgment does this show?

This story is important because it points out the fact that her policies fail even in the confines of her small family. Her judgment and policies are called into question legitimately, and so are those of her running mate.

The governor was quite flippant when she made her comments about Clinton’s use of marijuana.

Now her supporters bemoan the attention that is being directed at her. I don’t remember the right protesting when the brothers and daughters of Clinton and Carter were being mauled by Limbaugh and his comrades.

This is an important story because it points out the tendency to lie, evade and cover-up rather than simply tell the truth.

Nixon said the problems come from the cover-up. It is amazing that his followers still haven’t learned the lesson.

Didn't anybody vet the Clampets before McShame announced the VP selection?

My heart goes out to this family and this situation but I'm bothered by something. Did Gov. Palin know her daughter was pregnant or did she just find out? If she knew about this, why would she put her career and her young daughter in the spotlight like this? It's apalling to think that she would put her career before her family. Shame on you. If she didn't know, then, shame on the McCain team for not properly vetting this.  

I do not believe that Trig is the daughter's child.

Down Syndrome --the condition that Baby Trig has is not commonly scene when a mother is as young as the daughter. It is something that happens as the eggs in a woman's body ages. Hence Sarah Palin is 44 that is something that would not be a rare condition for a woman having a baby her age. Since she does not believe in abortion--she had the baby.

Morons..I swear thank GOD for he real world and not idiot nut cases like that post on this blog. There's no scandal. Her 17 yr old is pregnant...SO WHAT!!!!! Do we know she was practicing unprotected sex? NO. Hundreds of girls get pregnant every day while practicing protected sex.

This is going o backfire on the Democrats if they try to use this as harmfully BS. Nobody except the crazy's cares nor will tolerate this.

According to news reports the CIA vetted her, this is no surprise to ANYBODY on McCain's camp.  Trooper gate???? Get real, just another BS ploy by jealous rivals. The only reason she hired a lawyer was to handle he matter while she was on the campaign trail. Anybody who WOULDN'T hire a lawyer for any legal reason is a moron.

I thought UFO conspiracy nuts were KOO KOO..this blog and the Democrats take the cake.

Even you savor Barrack says 'LAY OFF'.  This is embarrassing for the Dem's and its showing desperation.

Palin wont resign. She has helped the ticket and the polls and donations dont lie. A poll Conducted today asked does the rumors about trooper gate or the pregnancy of her daughter effect in any way your views of Gov. Plain? 91% said NO .

Just another reach by the Democratic idiots that are scared to death.

Kylie: please do tell us why democrats are scared to DEATH?

If they didn't have anything to hide regarding Trig being Sara's then they wouldn't have had to reveal that Bristol is pregnant now as a way to put the other story to rest. If Trig really was Sara's then they wouldn't have the need to defend it. I'm not saying trig is Bristol's absolutely, I'm just pointing out that there is a lot of evidence that points in that direction and not much that points in the other. If there weren't a lot of fishiness happening then there wouldn't be a story.

Regarding troopergate, they have many audio tapes of a member of her staff clearly pressuring Monagan to fire Hootan. It appears clear cut.

I like the logic that McCains adviser used to explain why Palin is inocent "Sara Palin has eyepopping integrity, and she said she didn't do it, so that proves it". The same logic as "the proof that the Bible is the word of God is that it says it is"  

let's try the republican idiots who think they can say anything and *poof* everyone will believe them. democrats actually use the brains in their heads and make logical conclusions while republicans believe in fake saviors that float in the sky and helps them find their car keys. dumb dumb dumb....it's bristol's baby and now that boy will have a sibling. so sarah is a grandmother of two. please don't ever call democrats idiots. we cannot hold a candle to the idiocy, hyprocrisy, and patheticness of republicans. you guys got that all wrapped up!

Larrisha,

Can you address any of the specifics about Trig's birth?  I just can't settle them.  I am sorry to repeat this but I posted this earlier and I still would like some responses to the specific questions.  Keep in mind too that women over 40 have a more difficult time even conceiving, but it is possible.  Just as it is possible for a teenage girl to have a baby with DS, perhaps more rare but possible. Here's my previous questions:

can you find any medical experts that would advise a 40+ year old sitting governor who is leaking fluid a month early and carrying a DS baby to board a plane without any medical personnel aboard the plane.  Her own doctor said that she did not advise Palin to board the plane.  The baby was born a month early and Palin thought she knew her body.  Her previous pregnancies were prior to age 35 and pregnancies post age 40 are much riskier.  

Also why would Palin choose to drive all the way to the small village where she was mayor to have the delivery knowing that she was passing hospitals that had the necessary equipment and emergency facilities to deliver a premature DS baby to a place that indeed did not have the necessary equipment?  

Why didn't her doctor meet her at the closer hospital with the necessary equipment instead of having her travel even further?

Also why was Bristol out driving (got in a driving accident)  while supposedly so ill and contagious that she had to be off from school for months?

Hey Kylie--That poll you spoke of? Wasn't that a "poll" of the delegates at the RNC? They already DRANK the kool aid. A poll of the general populace would reflect much more outrage.

I bet none of you " great parents" ever had a child that made a mistake. I bet most of this blog can walk on water.  I BEG THE DEMS to make this a issue, it will backfire faster than a clogged rifle. America doesn't care about a 17 yr old pregnancy. Plus, Palin did no wrong, if anything most sensible people respect her more for going on with her life knowing the lunatic Democrats will pounce on this like pigs in shit. YOU GO GIRL!! 95% of the republican party is behind you, and you not the best liked Gov. in the country for nothing.

Thanks for helping our ticket !!!

Phil. Those same people that were on the tapes also say 100% that NOBODY in Palins office requested nor new about the phone conversations. You;re right it is clear as cake...

Tigeraloha: NO the poll was randomly directed to Republican /undecided voters.Not at the RNC

Wendy Isbell are you some kind of an idiot? Perhaps you can explain how the existence of HIPPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) makes something invalid if it is true. Apparently you are not aware but there have been several high-profile cases of hospital, insurance and federal staff accessing and/or divulging files in a manner that violates the HIPPAA act.

You morons are so anxious to provide cover for your lords that you wouldn't know the truth if it stood up in your soup.

Be advised I do not say if it is true or not - I prefer to find the truth before I accuse or defend anyone.

When did America become so full of ignorant,sycophants and lemmings who are proud to be duped and made fools of? It's become so bad, that these liars don't even have to be particularly proficient crooks to get a bunch of you simpletons to rush to their defense with no clue of what the truth is!

I bet you believe that straight men innocently touch hands under stall walls in public restrooms and having a "wide stance" explains it all away huh?

People like you make me sick!

Jon H

Wow..this blog is great for humor. Go read the TIME article,the entire town knew of her daughters pregnancy. Many of you f'ing goofballs still think that both are Sarah's kids....

Seriously, seek help. Most of you morons were the same freaks that said you were going to move out of the USA if Bush was elected.  Why are you still here?

McCain/Palin 08!!!!!

I am a nurse and once your water breaks especially if it is early you need to get yourself to the hospital. You're introducing infection to your child by not seeking medical attention.If and I say if her water broke ,you will leak.I know because I experienced a early break. No Doctor in his right mind would have told her to hop a plane back home that takes 11 or 12 hours after your water has broken. No way.A doctor could loose his license if anything would have happened. The infant in question is Down syndrome and premature at birth.There were plenty of good hospitals in Texas for her to go to for help with experience with high risk pregnancy. The risk was to much for mother and child and the republicans are nominating her for vice president.What she did was irresponsible.The outcome could have been different and the republicans want her to run our country if John McCain is not around.She can't control her own household so how would she run this country.

Democrats are not scared of the republican ticket. The republicans are very afraid after the Democratic convention. I bet John Mc Cain never knew what hit him. If he could redo it,She would not be his chose now. We are not what we seem to be.Desperation is why she is own the republican ticket.

Basically agree with Kylie except for the "morons" part, but with the best of intentions suggest that many conspiracy theorists of varying "theories" may, in fact, be bipolar and delusional.  Four percent of the adult population is bipolar (most not knowing it) and that is a lot of people, plenty for all the blogs, comments etc hundreds of times over.  Just a thought.  All the best to all of you, whomever you support.

Sincerely,

Eric

Thank you for clarifying Kylie. But if they were sampling Republicans and undecideds it proves nothing that over 90% support Palin. She's their candidate. I still maintain a general populace poll would show great concern (as do so many of these posts...regardless of affiliation).

Tigeraloha, I dont care what the crazy dems think. All I cae is what my party and undecuded voters think..they will determine the election.

Lillie,

Why would the republicans be scared after the Dem's convention? You didn't have a bounce. Zogby had obama bound 2 % ans RATS had McCain in the LEAD.  The convention was well under the average bounce the Dem's normally get.... NOT SO GOOD FOR YOU!

Kylie...Yes, they probably will. And Palin's becoming embroiled in two scandals in three days should be a worry for your party. And a party for my party!

Insane McCain and Apallin Palin for '08!...NOT! Yeah great job Conservatives,wonderful job, kudos to all of you who will still vote for McCain despite his irresponsible choices and the dysfunctionality of his VP pick's family. What happened to abstenence huh? And are you sure Trig wasn't named after the class Bristol should have been in instead of getting knocked up?? You would think after one time, she'd learn? I guess its similar to Republican theory of giving stupid asses more chances, i.e Bush for 8years and McCain 4 years. IDIOTS!!!!

It must all be true- you can't hire writers this good. Tune in for the next season of RNC's drama "Desperate Governors"

It's amazing to me that people come here and berate posters but not one, not one, has been able to explain any of the circumstances surrounding Trig's birth.  If we are all so stupid, and morons etc, then please, please present your FACTS.  Since you are all so obviously more intelligent than the many medical professionals that have posted, please let us know specifically why we are wrong.  I have posted questions twice, and not one of the name callers has been able to dispute the facts.  Perhaps you might also explain why Palin herself has never debunked any of these rumors. She has been aware of the rumors for months, yet she has not explained anything.  The only explanation we are given is that they decided to announce that Bristol is pregnant for the purpose of dispelling rumors.  Who makes a pregnancy announcement for the purpose of responding to rumors?  That's just silly, especially if so many Alaskans had knowledge of the pregnancy for such a long time.

You are hoping and praying. What polls are you looking at. Obama's speech was watched by 38 million viewers and by foreign television as well.This  convention was the most watched convention of all time. The republicans can't even come close. After the convention the polls the next day had Obama in the lead by 8 points. Can McCain and Cindy move their party like Obama has. The answer is no. Keep on dreaming.  

Here's the real story Todd. Not so good for YOU!

USA TODAY/Gallup:

"Most voters are unfamiliar with John McCain’s new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and many question her qualifications to be president, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup poll.

Meanwhile, another Gallup poll shows Barack Obama maintaining an 8 percentage point lead over John McCain following the end of the Democratic convention Thursday.

Republicans begin their four-day convention Monday here even as Hurricane Gustav picks up steam as it approaches the Gulf Coast. Palin is scheduled to speak Wednesday.

In the poll taken Friday, 39 percent said she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33 percent said she isn’t and 29 percent have no opinion.

That’s the lowest rating any running mate has had since then-Indiana Sen. Dan Quayle was selected in 1988 to join George H.W. Bush’s team.

By contrast, 57 percent of voters rated Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as qualified after Obama selected him last week. Eighteen percent said he wasn’t qualified.

Meanwhile, the Gallup daily tracking poll shows good news for Obama, following the close of the Democratic National Convention and his high-profile nomination acceptance speech Thursday."

You hate mongers are fools. just becasue this precious child got pregnant doesn't mean she was using unprotected sex. Do some research. A male condom(many aren't used right) is only 86% effective, Female condom 79%, Diaphragm 80%, Cervical cap 80%, Sponge 74%, and the Pill 95% if not counteracted by other medicine which makes the percentage drop drastically.

Get a life!

Double Bill:

Juno

Knocked Up

tiger, I can find a poll that proves my point....

www.zogby.com/.../ReadNews1547.html

here's another

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/.../cnn-poll-obama-49-mccain-48

Harry O, thank you for your prayers.  I'm going to be praying for you all as well.  If this is the kind of example you folks are setting for the next generation of our country's leaders, we're all going to be in a big world of hurt once your kids start running things in twenty years or so.  

The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden.

In other words, the race is a dead heat, and this AFTER the DEM convention.

How funny is it that Republicans are supporting Palin because she will go against the party therefore she is a great candidate.  Is this some kind of self hate.  You vote for a person because she will go against what your party represents?  To me she just seems like every other Republican.  What does she oppose that the rest of the party members support?

kylie: you call people hate mongers but you seem to have a lot of anger going on there. Try not to hate so much, water off a ducks back type of thing. Then maybe you will not have so much anger.

She is 17 pregnant and getting married. This will not cover the truth. Married at 17 to color the picture. Marrying to young,she will be divorced by the time she is 21.She has to strikes.They are to young to be pregnant and  to young to be married.She got pregnant under her mother and father's watch.While her mother was running Alaska who was running the household.Who is taking care of the children.what happened to abstenience.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF MCCAIN'S TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT. HE ALREADY HAD THE  CRACKER VOTE, SO ADDING SARAH PALIN TO THE TICKET WON'T HELP HIM ONE BIT. IMAGINE IF ONE OF BARACK'S DAUGHTERS GOT PREGNANT, THE GRAND OIL PARTY WOULD BE HAVING A FIELD DAY. HYPOCRITES.

I think more people are pointing out that Bristol had sex out of wedlock, not that she didn't use protection.  Her mother supports abstinence only that is the point.  She supports something that has been proven time and time again to not be effective.  This data has come to life for Palin now.  Hopefully Palin will be more open to supporting additional programs other than the just say no to sex routine.  Whether or not Bristol used protection she engaged in risky behavior that could have resulted in AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases. Teenage pregnancies are risky too.  Since the abstinence program is not working maybe Palin will show her support for additional programs.

White trash needs representation too!....

The Fact is an unmarried 16 year old girl in Alaska got Knocked up and her Mom, who's time is devoted too much for her to also effectively govern a family, took the fall for guilt and shame, seems like a classic american story, but sorry, you can"t be Juno if your popping out Downs babies, maybe if your going to be pro life you should also be abstinent until your married, or at least out of highschool.

Sarah Palin, Who is she, Isn't that the governer of alaska or something, the one that hates polar bears and would rape the tundra for a sip of sickly black nectar.

Of course most will reserve judgment on Plain until they get to know her, thats obvious to any unbars sane person.

Among those who do know her, her image is significantly more positive than negative, and her 3-to-1 positive-to-negative ratio is better than the 2-to-1 ratio measured for Biden a week ago.

Anybody can find a poll to benefit there own agenda, but the MAJORITY of the polls show no bounce for Obama after the DNC and Palins nominee.

I'M a psychopath. I have sever mental issues please dont listen to what I say. I'M a freak of nature and make no sense.

Todd: I think we agree about one thing...anyone can find a poll or statistics to support their cause.

The Incest Baby theory makes sense to me. Teenage pregnancy simply isn't a big issue, even with fundies. I can't see a coverup of this size unless it's something worse. Incest is more common than people think. It happens - probably more in sexually restricted fundie families.

Mike said: (above)

I bet none of you " great parents" ever had a child that made a mistake. I bet most of this blog can walk on water.

My Answer is :   " No no Mike ... none us "Great Parents" had children that made a mistake and then we decided to whore them out to the public for our own Politic Gain " !!

Sarah Palin is an ignorent person as she does not believe in evolution, does not believe in man-made global warming, she is against abortion even in the case of rape, she is for drilling everywhere and is adored by the religious right. So it is not out of contenxt to asume that she might have pretended to be pregnant to protect her 16 year old daughter. Now she will be a grandma (maybe she is already) and will nurse her baby together with her daughter. Please, God help America!

I think it should be noted that Obama said very definitively that Palin's family issues should be left out of campaign. I don't think McCain would do the same if the situation were reversed.

Who ever wrote under my name show yourself. WHO IS A PSYCHO.I guess you are. You are to afraid to write under your own name . You have to assume another persons persona. Am i getting under your skin.

Todd, that poll was done between 29 to 30th August, before people knew anything about Palin. We should wait until the end of this week to be sure that there is no bounce. So far 3 lies came out of her mouth :

1. she was for the bridge to no where before she was against it.

2. troopergate - she said that she did not talk to Monegan about Wooten and later had to back track

3. Babygate

We will have to wait until the end of the week before we know whether that drip have stopped.

The drama of the desperate governor is still on TV. :)

Too bad about the Palin family crisis.  Any way you look at it, she doesn't appear to be fit to be VP of the US.  Both explanations are not good. Either she is a liar and guilty of fraud, or simply a reckless person making bad decisions about her family and high-risk pregnancy.

Either way, she should go. McCain should ask for her to remove herself from the ticket. She is too much of a liability.

As a mother, it is not a pretty thing for your teen daughter to tell you she is pregnant.

As a working mother, it is my responsibility to my children first. No other accomplishment would stand out if my first responsibility, to my children, is not accomplished and accomplished well.

Teen girls engaging in premarital sex is looking for one thing, love. Unfortunately, it usually is the wrong place to look for the love that you should be getting in your home. But,if your mother is more interested in breaking the glass ceiling than paying attention to her daughter, you get teen pregnancy.

How sad!!!

Get a grip?  What does Bristol Palin have to do with this eledction?  Is she running for VP?

She is a reflection of her family. Her mother is in public office. Thus her life is a open book. What she does reflects on her family. Like it or not.

INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE OF BRISTOL PALIN...

GO TO...

http://cajunboy.tumblr.com/

I just watched the Palin Debate on Larry King.  It is Chillingly Scary to Watch the Robotic Responses of the Republicans to defend this Palin issue.

I am an Independent , therefore neutral .  And It's really scary to see the Republicans attempt to try to sell and twist this into a Positive for votes.

So Telling ...

Abby -- has it occurred to you that the perhaps harsh language is directed at people who have the "answer" before the answer is known. Clearly at this early date only the Palin family has the facts.

Certainly you are not chastising me because I don't add to the conjecture,innuendo, rumor and repeating that which was last heard from your/my favorite tv/radio personality or attempt to defend something I know nothing about - which in my view is the way of the idiot and the sycophant. I realize this type of name calling is, lets just say a less than optimum manner of communication. I am just fed up with all of the rumor mongering, ignorance, side taking and other forms of how we "adults" acted in 5th grade. I'm fed up that so many of us who are so stupid as to be taken by an equally stupid "media" and the various pundits, poll quoters and people with ulterior motive.

I have a degree in marketing and in the first 100 level course I took, there was an interesting discussion of the manner,method,question construction, demographics, location, media and how to manipulate these variables to get the answer you want. Then I thought "no one is so simpleminded as to fall for this stuff". Reading many posts here quote things they have no method whatsoever to determine the veracity of like it's the gospel now I'm amazed at how effective these techniques are at easily motivating the simpleminded to champion like monkeys things yet unknown.

My harsh remarks are at those doing just that - not because I have the facts - I don't - I choose to shut up until I learn more.

Only the ignorant think that an indefensible position or "worse" that to join in the accusation fest (on either side) armed with nothing but the vitriol and a willingness to chatter.

Once more being at least 1 level above imbecile, and never having heard of the Palin's before recently, I choose to learn something about them and the situation before I start ranting about what they "did" if in fact they did anything.

I can say this. I find it at best curious than McCain made such a big deal of the VP "following daily the health of the president and being able to assume the commander in chief's duties whenever necessary", finding Obama lacking then picking someone untried before the public - I find that poor judgement. Were I a woman I would be insulted at the proposition that I'm so malleable as to vote for ANY woman just because she is a woman. I find also any American who thinks their party (whatever party that is) or it's leaders are Gods and immune to criticism - they are not Gods they are men and women - ALL OF THEM and whether you "permanent followers" believe it or not it is the American way to question anyone who would be our leaders.

Those who see fault only in the opposition are the stuff Nazism, Communism, Cults and Fascism are made of - these forms of "government" simply cannot exist without mindless simpletons who blindly follow their leaders.

Any American should be wary and critical of anyone who claims to deserve to lead us. Any real Christian should read Matthew 7:2-5.

ps. I worked at NBC and you'd be surprised at the times things "hit the air" thinly following "facts". The sad thing is that those people who listen to half truths and babble are just too lazy and stupid to research for themselves.

Kari Z ,  

I think you need to get caught up on the issues of this Palin Debate.  But you are correct. It's really not about Bristol Palin in terms of it pertaining to this election.  It is all to do with whether or not Gov. Palin ,who is running for the 2nd highest position in the land, is lying about giving birth to her 5th child which is a  DS baby that is alleged to be her's.  The evidence suggesting that the baby is her's is Suspect.

 As I've said in the past.  This issue should be closed with the subtitle of her Medical Records just like McCain provided , as well as Obama .  Period

Any suggestion otherwise is extremely suspect !

The GOD honest truth, I'M a transsexual and I feel comfortable as a Democrat. I dont make much money so this is the best party to sponge off of the Government. I plan on marrying another shemale so this works best for me. I would love to be Sarah Palin, maybe one day I Can have full trans gender surgery and look hot like her.

Nobody's leanding fault to Govner Palin.  If she Pro Life be Pro Life, and be truthful.  If any of this is untrue, it's damaging

This blog is the quakiest of them all....

Whats next Sarah was abducted by aliens and they artificial inseminated her????  I'M sure this pregnancy is somehow George Bush's baby. I dont know how he had time to have sex becasue he was the mastermind behind 9-11 and every other conspiracy theory known to man.

And I thought Perez Hilton was bad..this tops the charts

In a country of 300 Million people, where a "statistically significant sample" is thought to be below 5,000 people, you can get a high percentage of the respondents to AGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU WANT - SAY THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE. When an "authority", such as the media repeats, these results over and over and over again it has a compounding effect. Haven't you noticed that few reporters remain who don't start the questioning" with "???? poll says.... what do you think about that"? Then the interviewee responds as if this is empirical proof. Many TV/Radio "personalities" who are not direct mouthpiece/shills for some entity are barely conversant enough, even though they have research staffs, on the subject to intelligently deal with followup questions or changes of direction in the subject.

If you think Zogby,Quinnipiac,Gallup,Roper, Arbitron, Q ad nauseum are the gospel - READ SOME BOOKS - don't listen to and slavishly believe everything you hear on TV!

Whoever you are writing using my name . You need to stop.You are such an idiot. ARE YOU AFRAID TO SHOW YOUR FACE TO US.You attempt to insult people by if they don't agree with you. you're such a joke. I know who I am.But undoubtly you don't like to hre the truth.Sorry sir, If i'm getting under your uneducated skin. But I make lots of money and have 2 college degrees.bUT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU. tHE GHOST WHO HIDES BEHIND OTHER PEOPLES NAMES.

Jon H, the bottom line is that there is no need to name call regardless of your stance on the rumor or your feelings about  the stances of others.  

That woman in that photo is NOT 7-months pregnant.  No way.  When you're pregnant for the fifth time, you start showing at least as early as 3-4 months.  And on her small frame.  Puhleeesse.  I knew something big would happen before the election, but never in a 1,000 years would have dreamed up something like this.

You really have to wonder about how stupid McCain and Palin were to not control this information.  Are they both so naive that they thought no one would be all over this story?  Are they both this clueless about politics?  They had control of the information and instead of making the announcement about Bristol's pregnancy themselves they allow speculation, bloggers, and the MSM deliver this to the public.  What idiots not to control the flow of information.  Did they not know that there would be instant scrutiny of Palin and anyone who has anything to do with her as soon as she was announced as the VP nominee?  DUH!  Oh yeah they are ready to run the country.

Oh wow - you are all getting fired up over something posted on the ever most reputable "babble.com." Go to a real website or two, learn the facts, count to 10 and actually think about what you're attempting to disseminate into the blog commmunity.  Then, try making an "informed" comment.

*Sigh* I guess that's why they call it babble - so people can speculate on issues that have no substance, and make comments that consequently have no substance...

Obama said to leave the family alone. He's soooo nice he'll nice us into a repug Presidency.  Screw Obama. And "will never impeach" Pelosi. That's why we always lose. We're so nicey nice. The repugs never shied from Total trashing fof the Clintons. I recall when a top commentator suggested Chelsea be exterminated so she wouldn't breed more Clinton genes. He wasn't fired or even reprimanded. He should have been arrested or shot.

Once again, as with Gore and Kerry, we're going to "nice" our way into another repug Presidency.

Maybe it was her dad and not her brother who got her pregnant. The repugs made the entire Clinton family fair game years ago.

BushThink - believe everything you are told.  Don't ever question anything.  If you ask questions you are unpatriotic  weird, dumb, and certainly a conspiracy theorist. Worse yet you must be a liberal. No matter how odd something may seem don't ask, we will tell you what to think. It's worked well in Iraq.  

Thank you Bristol, this is going to greatly assist us in our efforts to get rid of useless abstinence education.

FINALLY THE TRUTH COMES OUT....WIKIPEDIA STATED THAT SARAH PALIN WENT BACK TO WORK THREE DAYS AFTER GIVING BIRTH TO HER SON TRIG...HOW ON EARTH COULD A MOTHER GO BACK TO WORK THREE DAYS AFTER GIVING BIRTH TO A SON WITH DOWN SYNDROME?

THIS IS EXPLAINS IT...IF YOU DID NOT ACTUALLY GIVE BIRTH TO YOUR SON....THREE DAYS BACK TO WORK....SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT

Teenage pregnancy is not the kids fault or the parents fault.  Well then who/what is to blame?  Once we identify the cause perhaps we can decrease the number of risky teenage births.

I have vaginal warts. I like talking with myself on  babble. I have a meth addiction and my mom had me when she was 13 years old, we now party together. I love Barrack becasue I believe blacks have bigger Penis's and I love them in my BUM. I'm hoping to let Barrack teach me how to deal coke so I can support my habit. But until then, I'm going to post here and prostitute to support my habit.

WOW ..now you morons believe Wikipedia, a source that anybody can edit or add info. Congrats you Mensa's. I guess I know who keeps late night infomercials in business...the babble posters. Idiots.

I love how idiots now blame her for going back to work, you need to hear the whole quote not jsut that she went back to work after 3 days.

Three days after giving birth, Palin returned to work in her Anchorage office, accompanied by Trig and her husband.

This was not a mother's typical visit to the office to show off the new baby; instead, she was serving notice that a child of special needs will not hinder her professional commitments.

"It's a sign of the times to be able to do this," she said. "I can think of so many male candidates who watched a families grow while they were in office.

"There is no reason to believe a woman can't do it with a growing family. My baby will not be at all or in any sense neglected."

Neither, Palin said, will the state, as she prepares to lead deliberations for a multibillion-dollar natural gas pipeline. That's the economic future of the state, a means of getting North Slope natural gas to consumers throughout North America.

"I will not shirk my duties," she said.

Other politicians have pressed forward with their careers despite jarring personal news.

Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards continued with his campaign despite the return of his wife Elizabeth's breast cancer, though he eventually dropped out.

Another elected official who has a child with Down syndrome said Palin will likely have detractors, but that shouldn't change ambitions for the mother or child.

U.S. Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, D-Wash., has just celebrated the first birthday of her son Cole, her first child, who was born with Down syndrome. She is busy campaigning for a third term, and Cole often travels with her between Washington, D.C., and the Pacific Northwest.

"Cole opened my eyes to the pain and trouble a lot of families endure," Rodgers said. "He's allowed me to see people and circumstance more deeply, and the generosity of people.

"It's in human nature to focus on the negative, on what the person can't do. In our mind, we are focused on what he can do, what he will be able to do and do very well."

It's not unlike how Palin sees her child.

Todd- you seem to enjoy insulting people. Also, just because a person or two post a comment you will go on and on about how "everyone or all of you" are idiots.

Wow, must be awesome to be the smartest person on this board. So full of knowledge and not a moron like the rest of us. Who else is it that throws insults when they have no substance? Oh yea, republicans!

Does anybody want to have phonesex with me?

If Trig is really Bristol's and this "5 mos. pregnant" story is a cover up there's no doubt they'll get a Dr. to deliver her early. If she's really only 3-4 mos. pregnant they could just get the same shady Dr. to induce early or do a c/section so it looks like she hit her "due date", you know?

Obviously the reason Bristol is holding Trig in all these pictures is an attempt to cover a baby bump. Which would point out yet ANOTHER lie told...that Sarah and her husband didn't know she was pregnant when she accepted the VP nomination. On top of that, if Sarah's such a wonderful mom, how did she not know her daughter was THAT pregnant?? (Yes, teens mom can hide it, I know...just saying...)

So, no matter what...LIES all the way around.

Either she knew and she was using Trig to cover Bristol's bump as well as selfishly accepting the position knowing her daughter would be kicked around like a political football,

Or she didn't know because Bristol's not really that far along and they're lying about what month she's in to try to diffuse the Trig situation.

As far as Bristol having mono for such a lengthy time frame...is it possible she was put on bedrest or something if she were THAT sick and THAT pregnant?

The fact that all these pictures and whatnot are disappearing like crazy clearly point out there's something attempting to be covered up.

I'm amazed this hasn't hit MSM yet.

No matter what, she sounds like a cruddy mom, leaving her baby that quickly to return to work. I don't get it. From what I read, she did the same w/ her 2nd or 3rd daughter? I'm just appalled that she doesn't put her family first. Whether it be protecting her daughter, bonding w/ her "newborn" or flying for hours while "laboring".

I've heard people say they're impressed with her "talking about" pumping for the baby or wearing the baby in a sling at work. How admirable that makes her. What?! Since when is feeding and holding your baby considered "above and beyond"? Isn't that a mother's job? I had a baby 6 days before Trig was born. I feed her and 'sling' her everyday. I'm not overly impressed w/ a mom "talking" about taking care of her child while it looks like her daughter is the one doing all the work in the background of those pictures.

No matter what story she decides to stick with, it doesn't paint a very good picture of her or her morals. That's just based on her as a Mother...that doesn't even touch on her as a Politician. @@

It'll all be aired out one way or another...someday.

Until then, they can just keep spinning stories and telling lies. Bristol or one of the other daughters will have a book deal years down the road. ;)

I bet if McCain were about 100 years younger and more agile, he'd be kicking his own ass for this one.

Now I'm wondering if Bristol isn't even pregnant at all. Maybe she's just got some baby weight left over and since it's looking like she's more postpartum than Sarah, they're just faking the "5 mos. along" so that she 'couldn't have possibly given birth 4 short mos. ago'.

I agree w/ whoever said it before, it's very likely there would be a staged miscarriage down the road. Which would be really sad.

Like I said before, I had a baby just days before Trig was born, (if that date is even true..April 18) and I looked back to normal after just a few weeks. (It was my 3rd baby) So, it's not totally impossible that Sarah could've just bounced back quickly, but it's all the other shady little details that make this story so darn intriguing.

Can't wait to hear the "real story". Hopefully sooner rather than later.

If indeed there is a cover up regarding baby Trig, what will happen to the new baby Bristol is having now?  How will that be explained?  Are you all saying that this is a second baby?  Or will she have a "miscarriage?  

           If you go to alaskapodshow.com and watch the video of Gov. Palin taken in Feb., when she was 5-6 months pregnant, you can see she looks and WALKS like she's pregnant, (at 5:55). At the time she was trying to hide her pregnancy, announcing it 3 weeks later.

So, the PG news is released this afternoon and CNN announces that Barack would be interviewed by Cooper Anderson and the same opportunity was provided to McCain. But, he declines. Why?

Why would he decline in light of the lost RNC day?

Why would he pass on coming across 'presidential'?

Why would he pass fully knowing BO was going to air and John is ALWAYS seeking TV time?

Why would he decline and provide confirmation that Palin was fully vetted and he was fully aware and explain his case to the american public?

The fact is he didn't fully/properly vet her and CNN is reporting that the McCain camp is sending a team to AK to complete the process. McCain was also not aware of this announcement and didn't want to be busted on national tv. He took a pass when he had an opportunity to address the hurricane, the rumors and the future of the convention.

His in-action speaks volumes!

Where is the proof via hospital records or birth certificate? There is no proof that Palin gave birth to the child with Down's. It is a cover for her other daughter's high school pregnancy.

Ilikepalin: I believe the announcement today was an attempt to cover up the rumors that have & are swirling regarding the pregnancy cover up. By establishing Bristol PG at 5 months, it allows them to contradict the cover up and enable them to address the media that it's a family issue and the desire to protect the family's privacy. By doing so, they can place a shield of privacy around Bristol to avoid interviews that may shoot holes in the stories. It will then be reported that Bristol suffered a miscarriage.

Sarah Palin should put her career on the back burner and put all these rumors to rest by taking a DNA test...Sarah knew that the rumors on her fifth pregnacy would come out once she was in the national spot light...If it turns out that Trig is her grandson, She should let Bristol off the hook and come clean....Bristol is not the first young teenager to get pregnant and won`t be the last...Don`t shame her for it...As a mother of four and a grandmother of seven, i would go to the ends of the earth to protect my family.....Sarah should do whats right for her family and put all the rumors to rest for Bristols sake.  If Bristol is pregnant, I wish her and the baby well.

I still also believe the miscarriage story will come about later. If you look on the blog of McCain's daughter in the "People Photo Shoot" section you'll see a photo of both Sarah and Bristol from a side view. You tell me which one is postpartum? Bristol for sure!

If Bristol is 5 months pregnant now, Trig cannot be her child, unless she somehow got immediately pregnant again (like within seconds of giving birth). Gasp- what if it is Willow's baby?!?

They called Trig a "surprise" baby. With children ages 18, 17, and 14, it seems like their 5-year-old would have been the surprise baby. Maybe Palin does not learn from experience...

Well the only thing that I think happened is its so fucking boring in Alaska all there is to do is fuck without rubbers

Ok, so let's count....  Baby Trig born April 18.  April, May, June, July, August... So are you guys saying that Brostol got preggers the day after she delivered?  Or, are you saying that she's only 4 months, or what?  I'm just having issues with your math.  

Re Palin's size w a 5th pregnancy:

I was my mom's 5th child, and she was smaller with me than with any others.  Plus, special needs baby, and she was a month early.  Come on- are you thinking people, or flies looking to land on the poop?

80% of teens have sex at least once before graduating from high school. Some of them get pregnant. How the and their families handle it should be private. That said, I think this argument should extend to prochoice. A decision like that is between you and your beliefs.

Hey, Lillie2 - get the hell off this blog you moronic 13-year old and stop assuming someone else's name.  You've got nothing but a mouthful of ass to dish out to us and it's a waste of space.

Scram, you sham!

What a bunch of nut cases. Watch TV, try reading. The entire town knew her daughter was pregnant. The boys MOM knows. I swear this forumn reminds me of X FILES

Rie said "Ok, so let's count....  Baby Trig born April 18.  April, May, June, July, August... So are you guys saying that Brostol got preggers the day after she delivered?  Or, are you saying that she's only 4 months, or what?  I'm just having issues with your math."

We're actually saying that Bristol gave birth to Trig and Mom covered up. This story originated by Alaskans but never gained much momentum. But now the lower 48 public is questioning the story and it is just announced that Bristol is actually 5 mos. pg to squel further rumors.

But there's plenty of smoke with this! There's the pic's/videos, the pic's being removed or dates changed, the flying while leaking, no mention to airport staff she's pg, no visual by Palin's staff until she announces at 7 months, Bristol being out 5 months with mono, friends claiming that Bristol visually appeared pg during her absence, Bristol appearing postpartum rather than only 5 months along.

Where there's smoke....

KEEP IT UP wackos. This is playing in the republicans hands. The only political chat at our labor day party today was how insensitive the Democrats are being tot he 17 yr old daughter.   KEEP IT UP, America wont tolerate this BS.

More people voted for Palin for Gov. than Biden for President...HMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm

No time for on the job training...McCain will bring a lifetime of experience...Obama will bring a speech that he gave in 2002". -Hillary

Laura said:

"KEEP IT UP wackos. This is playing in the republicans hands. The only political chat at our labor day party today was how insensitive the Democrats are being tot he 17 yr old daughter."

Are Dems insensitive to the fact that there may be a major cover up or the fact that the possible VP's daughter actually may have gotten pg at 17 years old despite not being married and mom's abstinence training and education?  Either way, there's a problem!!!

Sarah said:

"More people voted for Palin for Gov. than Biden for President...HMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm"

And how many terms did she serve?

How many folks voted for Biden as Senator while Hockey mom was having babies and managing a staff of 12 in the great city of Wasilla?

she should have taught her daughter to swallow instead of lying about the first baby. She is under investigation for troopergate and payoffs, so lets go to hell in a handbasket. McCain is not going to make a whole term and with her already lying it won't be any different from any other politican. lets build the superhighway, keep her as the VP, and let Bin Ladin run the country

where are the photos of the gov. in the hospital when the baby was born

No one is coming forward and saying yes this is her child, where is the doctor, where are the photos and the hospital, stop the coverup and let the truth come out.

Good call Peter!

BTW, why isn't anyone talking about why McCain passed on the interview with Cooper Anderson this afternoon?!? How do you cry about the lack of media attention and then pass fully knowing Barack had agreed to interview. Very bizarre! It wasn't like he was stuffing sandbags in LA, MS or TX. He was in freakin' OHIO.

I can't believe you guys are still doing this. The whole town knew she was pregnant.

www.nydailynews.com/.../2008-09-01_bristol_palins_pregnancy_was_an_open_sec.html

Everybody knew (except McCain, I bet), but you morons are now saying that Bristol will have a convenient "miscarriage." This is disgusting, and you're playing into Republican's hands. The more you continue these absurd attacks, the more her halo grows. So knock it off, eh?

By the way, the photo at the top of this article was taken in 2006. www.adn.com/.../509850.html

Unless you think Bristol was pregnant for 18 months, Trig is not in her belly. Idiots.

The whole thing is making me sick.  This country is definitely becoming a big joke.  If McCain dies and Palin is the president, we're in big trouble.  She can't run a country and a big family with "problems".  A special needs child and a teenage daughter with a baby.  Also, how could she say she is "proud" of her daughter on becoming pregnant.Yes, it happens, but P-R-O-U-D?  What's there to be proud of.  Anyone could have sex and get pregnant, no special talent is needed.  I believe this whole thing was setup by Obama's people.  They pressured McCain to choose her as running mate because you'd have to be a fool now to vote for McCain.  Obama will definetely win now, not because we like him but because we can't vote for McCain.  People, what are we going to do!!!!!!!

Finally, one last picture. Someone here said that Bristol must have been covering up her belly because her mom didn't know she was pregnant. That's absurd. I'm pretty sure she knew because Bristol was wearing a goddamn engagement ring. This isn't a story they just made up. Bristol's five months pregnant, and Trig is Sarah's fifth child.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Image:Palin_family.jpg

God, you people are sick. I bet most of you still posting about future faked "miscarriages" really are Republicans, trying to give liberals a bad name. Obama said it loud and clear. Stop it.

Oh please,just one more thing....I wondered why Bristol carried her Mother's baby out to the podium instead of Tod Palin the baby's father..to cover the bump, of course.  The Alaska Child Protective Services should be cutting a path to these folks house. Sumpin' ain't right...

the truth shall set us all free,,,,, now show the damn pic of the gov. holding her child, brestfeeding, hell have one with her husband standing beside her instead of him behind like a servant. Hell will McCain stand behind her in the Oval office

the cover up is coming,, hold on to your blog,,,the nazi boots of the Bush are marching to the rescue. Wait maybe its lil Bush's Halliburton. Third world nation here we come.

I love it, your slanderous stories are giving Mcain and Palin a lead in the polls.. Keep up the good work.. I see  a big bozo cult meltdown..

Bristol is simply following in her mom's footsteps. The Palins eloped on Aug. 29, 1988, and their first son, Track, was born eight months later.

Frank B.  You are way behind in this discussion.  Your photos as have been pointed out repeatedly are meaningless.  Get caught up, then continue with your attacks on people who see things differently than you.  If there's one way to get others to see things your way, it's to call them disparaging names and attack their opinions.  Yeah, that will work.  I guess it worked for a while with the Iraq war.

The Republican party is now the party that advocates teenage pregnancy and shot gun weddings.  Way to go for the party of moral values.  Thanks for leading the way, can't wait to hear how the party plans to support all those babies of teenage moms.

Ahem...

A child needs the love and support of a family. You should applaud this caring group of individuals.  Vote McCain, you sleazy, faggot loving, commie, slimeball.

People watch too much Desperate Housewives!  Just because someone on T.V. covers up their daughter's pregnancy doesn't mean everyone in real life does it.  Get over it people!  

Classic:

saint thomas said:

So the "discussion" goes something like this:

Blue: I have a question.

Red: You liberals are so hateful.

Blue: No, really, the facts puzzle me.

Red: Why don't you shut up. You're pathetic.

Blue: Because we're talking about someone who could be next in line as the most powerful person in the world. I need to trust them.

Red: You're a scumbag.

Blue: So please, help me with this.  There are issues of personal judgement, and I want to clear this up before I am asked to lend my vote.  It should be a fairly simple thing, yet no one seems to be able to provide any straight forward clarification.  Your response reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, when discovered, his response is "do not look behind that curtain".

Red: Go to hell you lousy puke. You and your liberal ilk should be go live elsewhere.

Blue: Wait a second. You don't respond to a single thing I say.  You simply attack.  

Red: You small minded, vicious, holier than thou, mealy mouth dirty diaper democRats...pathetic

September 1, 2008 12:58 PM

Might I add,

Blue: But seriously, these questions are important.

Red: Your guy hates America and Bill Clinton, boy, don't get me started on Bill Clinton!

Blue: But-

Red: Bill Clinton!

But Abby said it best:

Abby said:

Again no one has presented any facts to debunk the story. You would think since the story has been circulating in AK all of this time that Palin would have presented evidence to clear the rumors.  Photos are meaningless so please stop showing pictures in which Palin appears pregnant.  They prove absolutely nothing.  Obviously if the woman was attempting to pass herself off as pregnant she would dress in a way that promotes that illusion.

Find medical experts that would advise a 40+ year old sitting governor who is leaking fluid a month early and carrying a DS baby to board a plane without any medical personnel aboard the plane.  Her own doctor said that she did not advise Palin to board the plane.  The baby was born a month early and Palin thought she knew her body.  Her previous pregnancies were prior to age 35 and pregnancies post age 40 are much riskier.  

Also why would Palin choose to drive all the way to the small village where she was mayor to have the delivery knowing that she was passing hospitals that had the necessary equipment and emergency facilities to deliver a premature DS baby to a place that indeed did not have the necessary equipment?  

Why didn't her doctor meet her at the closer hospital with the necessary equipment instead of having her travel even further?

Also why was Bristol out driving (got in a driving accident)  while supposedly so ill and contagious that she had to be off from school for months?

I would think it would be very easy for Palin to provide these answers.  She is being held to the same standard as any politician running on a national ticket.  If this story is untrue there is absolutely no reason for Bristol to be embarrassed or anything else.  So what some people looked at her photos and thought she had a stomach.  That is no where near as bad as what John McCain said about Chelsea Clinton.  

If the story is true then Palin is the one that should feel bad for being so ashamed of her daughter that she would go to such lengths to cover up the pregnancy.  Why not simply accept that her daughter is human and experienced an unplanned pregnancy?  Show how the family loves her and will raise the baby together.  There is no reason to cover for the child as if she is some terrible person and needs to have her "mistakes" hidden.

People question their leaders, that's just the way it is.  Repubs and Dems alike question their opponents.  Look how long people went on and on about Obama's birth certificate.  He even had to post it online and that still wasn't enough.  It had to reviewed by experts because Repubs believed that Obama's mom had conspired to pretend that she had a baby in Hawaii and somehow Obama had convinced an entire hospital and many public officials to lie about his birth.  

She isn't being scrutinized because she is a female, it's because she could possibly be the POTUS if something happens to McCain.  I don't know why people want to soften politics for women, they can handle it just as well as men and don't need fellow women whining about how the women are attacked.   Kay Baily Huchison comes to mind. She never whines about the game of politics, she controls what happens instead.

September 1, 2008 10:42 AM

Since nobody knew who Sarah Palin was before she hit the news on being McCains VP choice she is fair game. Citizens want to know who she is. If she did not want her family to be scrutinized she should have stayed out of politics.

This is not just about democrats or republicans. First, posters on this board (some) have said over and over again that they are not democrats. If this was a democratic candidate press would be all over it as would the bloggers. I remember how the republicans smeared Chelsea Clinton, They had a field day with that, certainly did not hear the republican politicians come out and say ooh noo, thats wrong to smear a kid.

If Bristol is just a kid and should be left alone, then should she be pregnant and getting married? Very few posters are making fun of Bristol, they just want to know about Sarah Palin.

Now if this smear was about a democratic teen or say a teen actress, or some other celbrity's kid, republicans would be all over it, do not deny it because they have shown they would in the past.

So do not try to act that republicans are the "just" ones and dems are the sleezeballs. It is bull and you know it. Oh and btw, this rumor has been brewing since Trig was born, not by bloggers, hmm... wanna know where? In Palins home town, they are the ones who started this rumor. Guess what, most of them are republicans. So quit your holier than thou attitude.

It is an interesting rumor and many people want to know if it is just that, a rumor. Very few people are assuming it is true, but they have a right to know who Palin is and if her judgement is faulty.

Oh, and for those saying that it is not tv or Desperate Housewives,some us have better things to do than watch garbage like that. I never even heard about that episode until reading this board.

Yes, here in the u.S. one is supposed to considered innocent until proven guilty. I assume she is innocent of this rumor but that does not mean that I do not want to see the evidence.

Will the father be charged with a felony?

The age of consent is defined as 16 years old, according to Alaska statutory rape laws. If a person who is at least 18 years old engages in sexual activity with a person who is 16 years old or younger, he or she will be charged with sexual abuse of a minor in the first degree. This charge is a felony in Alaska. And remember, it does not matter if you did not force or threaten the other person into performing this sexual act with you. It is still a crime under Alaska statutory rape laws.

Patty Quoted Above :  PATTY said:

I love it, your slanderous stories are giving Mcain and Palin a lead in the polls.. Keep up the good work.. I see  a big bozo cult meltdown..

September 2, 2008 6:40 AM

Here's a reality Check Patty : www.usaelectionpolls.com/.../electoral-college-results.html

Electoral Votes gets you into the White House.  So Far Obama 327 Vs. McCain's 207

This pick of Palin was a "Hail Merry" desperation Pic to energize the Republican Base.  To give them something New and Fresh to Cheer about because they've been Disgraced by the Record of Bush. "Look over here.. We Got a Woman Candidate .. We're Making History Too" !!!

And Everytime someone calls them on it in the Media ..Watch the Spin ...  " This is an Attack on All the Women In America" !!!     What a Joke !  This reminds me of Al Sharpton Screaming Racism .

The Republicans are Blindly being led to the Wolves on this one.   It's a dangerous Pick and It's Wrong

Of course, we should leave the family alone, but we can’t leave the mother alone because she is playing in the highest stakes game for the #2 (and quite possibly #1) seat of power in this nation.

Neither McCain nor Palin are fit to govern this country.

They both show an incredible LACK of sound judgment and neither have an admirable character.

No matter what the real circumstances (be it cover-up or as the Repubs are presenting this), Sarah Palin does not even put her family first, so how can we assume she’ll put country first? Most teenage pregnancies occur due to motherly neglect. I’m sure Sarah Pallin didn’t mean to neglect her eldest daughter, but she was too busy running Alaska and having a baby of her own at exactly the time she claims her daughter got pregnant (5 months ago, someone gave birth to Trig, right?)

Now, the new young mom faces one of the toughest times in her young life while her mother campaigns 24/7 and then would theoretically take office one month after her daughter’s new baby is born in a place that is 4,245 miles from Alaska. And how about the special needs new baby? Mom is on the campaign trail 24/7 for the next ten weeks while this poor child who needs a LOT of love and attention is being held and cared for by her sister (who is getting practice, I suppose.) All of this is under the guise that Sarah Palin is pro-life and pro-family values. This is good character with sound judgment? This person should be our next V.P.?

McCain’s list of character flaws would cause me to keep writing here until Nov. 4 (and I still wouldn’t be done). He showed terrible judgment in choosing Palin which is clearly 100% for political gain and has 0% to do with putting country first and “straight talk”. This is a man you would trust to get us out of a war with Iraq? This is a man you would trust to choose (potentially) three new supreme court justices and many, many more important decisions?

We don’t need a maverick like this, people.

Funny: this theory was created in large part from the photos. The photos don't show shit, and this one was from 2006. They're garbage, and you admit they are.

In this situation, it would be sane to reevaluate the theory. Ockham's razor and all of that. If you still cling to the theory, you're either an idiot or a Republican (same thing, really), and in either case you're feeding Palin sympathy. That might be your goal, but it seems like at least a few good people have been suckered in by horseshit.

Carroll A. Davis: why would anyone be charged with statutory rape? Even if you put on your tin foil hat and believe Trig is her son, she was 16 when she got pregnant. 17 years old (which she has been since March) minus 9 months is still 16. At 16, one can consent to have sex with someone older than 18 and nobody is committing a felony.

But you're about as well informed as most people here (that is, not at all).

Saint thomas are you crazzzzzzzy. Bristol was sleeping around outside marriage in a family which supported abstinance. How as a church youth counsellor am i suppossed to imbibe these values to other teenagers when all they can see is the possible vice presidents daughter behaving like a rabbit on heat?

 applaud? no this is a bad example to our youth, our future and palin should withdraw to private life and spend time with both her family, who obviously need her more than ever and her pastor

WOW, ignorance really is bliss....  Lot's of ignorant people on this one. This is a private family matter ... and by the way at least she did NOT spend 20 years unable to understand what the preacher was trying to REALLY say?  DUHHHHHHHHH...  well at least ignorant people will get a chance to vote for an ignorant racist

Ok, I admit it- it is my daughter's child.  Please stop these hurtful, Godless comments and let me and my guns be.

to James,

I was trying to be sarcastic.  My intent was to poke fun at all those who exhibit a gentle side towards those they defend, and a vicious side towards anyone who questions them.  I think the caricature I was trying to draw, is one that is truly insane, and I personally do not understand it.  I am grateful that this discussion is going on in a free and unfettered fashion.  There are some wonderful, thoughtful contributors.  Then, there are the Republicans. (just kidding again).  Does anybody remember the old Bruce Hornsby song "Defenders of the Flag?"  That's what we have going on here.  Circle the wagons.  Our Dogma is under attack, and we're not going to have any of it.

The heart of the matter is not about Bristol being/not being Trig's biological mother.  It's about what lengths the potential V.P. of the U.S. will go to in protecting her image.  I certainly don't know who the mother of the child is, but it's the voter's business IF she manipulated the hospital, doctors and falsified official public documents to make things appear to be what they are not.

I don't think it's likely Bristol is the mother of Trig.  The problem is the questioning began long before Sarah was chosen as McCain's running mate.  I think, if she's as straightforward as she claims, she would be running out for a DNA test to prove her critics to be imbeciles.  I know that's what I would do.

If it is true Bristol is Trig's mother, then the family should come out with the truth now.  Either choice would make her seem a more trustworthy person.

simply done, all she has to do is answer the questions being asked. She is running for the second highest office in this land, she and all she says is up for debate and a fine tooth comb. The things she has said and done do not make sense to any one with half the brain of bush. If the daughter lies to the public to help in the cover up, then she too becomes under the public eye. this is not about her being female, this is only about the truth.

i hear you thomas ;) me too

as for Zoe are U crazzzzzzzzy? this aint private. Palin has made her own family values the bedrock of her professional politics she wouldnt be where she is without doing so. It simply doesnt wash that she can speak publically about her faith (to political aims) and her belief in abstinance etc and then try or others on her behalf to state that this now should remain a private matter, especially when she wants to intefere through political power with how other families or women deal with say pregnancy derived from rape

I just checked the website of Mat Su Regional Medical Center where Trig was supposedly born. Two very interesting things of note are 1) it doesn't have a neonatal intensive care unit which Trig would require and 2) it has a calendar with the names and dates of every baby born there in the past year. It has been claimed that Trig was born on April 18, 2008, yet his name is not on the calendar. Hmmm....

Check it out for yourself at www.matsuregional.com/.../nursery_calendar.php . Please archive the page for future reference.

www.matsuregional.com/.../nursery_name.php

Doubly checked and very interesting.  I suppose you can opt out of public listings if you choose.  Still strange.

This story has now hit the UK and weighing up the facts (??) it doesn't look favourable.

Sarah Palin appears to have travelled between 8-11 hours to deliver her special needs child in a small hospital without premature baby facilities, bypassing several other hospitals in the process.

Has anyone questioned when baby Trig was discharged?  Yes he was a healthy weight (considering he was early) however prem babies tend to be kept in hospital for longer than the norm.

Pictures are (supposedly) disappearing from the web.  I've viewed those available and I've got to say SP appears pregnant in some and not in others.  I also watched the video interview of her and am obviously not as fashion conscious as she is.  I wouldn't dream of wearing high heel boots in slushy, icy weather when 7 months pregnant (but I digress...).

Daughter Bristol was (conveniently) off school for an extended period, and if other enties are to be believed, rumours have circulated in Alaska for several months that she is really Trig's mother.

Teen pregnancies happen and Bristol should certainly not be haranged for it if she really is the mother.  I also find it difficult to believe in these modern times that a parent would construct such an elaborate cover-up that could surely easily by proven slanderous.  I therefore question why SP hasn't produced medical records which would categorically put these rumours to rest.  She needs to set the record straight, not only for the sake of her political career, but also for her daughter's mental wellbeing.

Lastly Bristol is now pregnant, and judging by the dates, it is unlikely she gave birth to Trig.  How convenient ......

Zoe, You are right, she did NOT spend 20 years unable to understand what the preacher was trying to REALLY say, she spent 16 years doing that and what she got is a B-A-B-Y!

Maybe her mother should have spent more time talking about the birds and the bees to her daughters instead of trying to climb the political ladder. Maybe her mother should have forced her daughter to use chastity belts until they have a ring on their fingers. Maybe her mother should stop lying and just tell the truth because the truth can set you free.

Daryl said,

                "No visual by Palin's staff until she announces at 7 months".

                 So a new 44 yr. old female governor who's pregnant with a Down's Syndrome baby wants to keep it a secret as long as possible.

                  I don't see anything wrong here.

I found this link to  doctor Cathy Baldwin-Johnson who delivered Trig:

www.allbusiness.com/.../103983-1.html

This was when she was named the Family Physician of the Year 2002. Her passion is seems is children rights.

Links to photos of the baby.  Look at how Sarah is leaning over Bristol---proud grandma!!! There's no way in heck that baby is Sarah's.  Check out how Bristol is holding him!! I still don't understand the lie.......so is Bristol preggers AGAIN???  

stupidcelebrities.net/.../bristol-palin-pregnancy-is-vp-sarah-palins-5th-child-really-her-daughters-photos

And this kid Levi Johnston is a real winner. Typical of a teen? Let's hope not.

Wow.

www.crosswalk.com/11575222

Palin's Baby Defies Our 'Culture of Death'

Albert Mohler

President, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary

Originally published on Crosswalk.com May 6, 2007

A little boy with an extra chromosome was born on April 18. His name is Trig Paxson Van Palin and his new home is the Alaska Governor's Mansion in Juneau. His mom is Governor Sarah Palin, who along with her husband Todd, has welcomed Trig as their second son and fifth child.

I thought Trig was only 4 months old???  An article published in May 2007 would put him at a year and four months.

The timing seems to be all wrong here.  If Bristol is now 5 months pregnant, that means she was impregnated about the beginning of April 2008 with her current child.  If Trig was born on April 18, 2008, this would be AFTER the date she was impregnated with her current child.  Or said another way she was impregnated with her current child BEFORE giving birht to Trig.  Even if the 5 months of her current pregnancy is plus or minus a few weeks, it still does not wash.  A woman can not have intercourse for at least 4 weeks after giving birth.  So unless she is really alot less than 5 months pregnant, the dates just don't add up.  Now if the current child is not born until February 2009 or so, then I would say there is something fishy going on.

Wait, the timing is all wrong here.  If Bristol is 5 months pregnant, that means she was impregnated with her current child about the beginning of April 2008.  But Trig was born on April 18, 2008.  She can't become pregnant again when already carrying a child.  Even assuming that the 5 months of her currently pregnancy is plus or minus a few weeks, a woman can not have intercourse for at least 4 weeks after giving birth, so the earliest she could have become impregnated again (assuming she gave birth on April 18) would be around the beginning of June.  This would make her current pregnancy only 3 months.  It just does not add up assuming the 5 months is accurate.  Now, if the baby is born in February or March of 2009, then I would say you have a story.

At least the selection of Palin by McCain makes both Dems and Repubs happy.  The Dems can't believe that McCain would make such a bad choice (has not governed outside of AK, no foreign policy or national security experience, just got a passport, has only been out of the country once, lacks interest in Iraq, doesn't know what a VP should do, anti-choice, no abortions even in the case of rape or incest, does not support equal pay for equal work, wants to teach creationism alongside evolution in science classes, only supports abstinence education).

The Repubs love that she is anti-choice.  She makes everyone happy.

This is a real let down!  We have a woman, on the very day women won the right to vote, offered the VP position.

No Celebration?

I watched & cheered Obama as the first black man to run as president. the largest party I have ever seen.

Palin, the woman, nothing.

Hoping for a Change.

Kim, what is there to celebrate. We don't want just a woman. That woman will be representing the rest of her gender. Palin does not represent me because I am not a fanatic right winger. I am a moderate and if she was a moderate without all those soap operatic skeletons in her closet, I will happily cheer for her.

Geraldine F. was chosen because she was a woman, and now Palin was chosen because she is a woman. That does not make me happy. That makes me feel like she is chosen because of affirmative action and not qualification.

I want a woman to earn the right to be the leader of the free world. Hillary did that, but, unfortunately her baggage was too heavy. IF only she did not have Bill around her neck I am sure that she would have been offered the VP slot.

I think there wasn't a celebration because the announcement was such a surprise and the Democratic party's first female VP candidate was about 24 years ago I think, Geraldine Ferraro.  There would certainly be a celebration if she was the first female VP to actually take office.

A few comments:

I am so amazed by the people that have such strong opinions but absolutely no spell check nor sense of grammar.

My water broke & I went to the hospital only to be told it was urine leaking & to go home then 24 hours later my premature child was born. I also only gained about 15 pounds by then.

I hadn't read all of the above comments but no one (that I have read) has mentioned that the number one risk factor of Down's Syndrome is the mother's age. That in itself is the reason this rumor should be debunked. Who has heard of a teenager giving birth to a Down baby? Unfortunately most teen births are completley healthy, if it weren't so maybe teen births would not be so high.

Some people feel that it is sexist to ask Palin how she would juggle her family's needs with the demands of the VP position.  I do not think it is a sexist question.  I think the missing component is that people need to start asking men the same kinds of questions.  I think it is fine to ask any politician how they would juggle their personal lives with the duties of the job.  I did hear Obama in an interview and he was asked how he would manage being president while having 2 young daughters.  He didn't get upset at the question, he simply explained.  

How does everyone else feel?  Do you think the question is sexist?

Kathy- I must say that your spelling seems ok, but I must also mention that spell check does not pick up all errors in grammar. For example in your post "I am so amazed by the people that have such strong opinions but absolutely no spell check nor sense of grammar."

Oh geesh, looks like you did not check your grammar. Are you able to find your mistakes? Also, run on sentences are not proper grammar either. Now, I am not saying that my grammar is great, but I was not the one insulting others for their grammar first.

Kathy :-

The reason why this rumor has not been debunk is because of this information found online if you google down syndrome:

By age 35, a woman's risk of conceiving a child with Down syndrome is 1 in 385.

By age 40, the risk is 1 in 106.

And by age 45, the risk is 1 in 30.

However, most children with Down syndrome are actually born to women under age 35 because this younger group of women has far more babies.

spellcheck-I'm not saying this should be english class but so often I find people with strong opinions but then make themselves look stupid with what they write. I know this is not an english essay but is instead conversational writing.

Another point I want to make is that when my oldest children were born (before HMO's), their expenses at the hospital were only covered by my insurance because they were deemed "ill" (one was premature, the other had his cord wrapped around his neck, both ended up o.k.). They were not added to our insurance right away.    

Please do not get bogged down in the pregnancy issue.The central issue is: What the hell was insane McCain thinking when he chose this supremely under qualified candidate. Is this the best he could come up with? We should question HIS judgment; his strategy and his commitment to "family values and ending corruption in Washington."

No one could have been more gracious and decent than Barack Obame when he said that this is a family matter and children are off limits. Leave the Palin family alone. McCain/Palin will not win anyway no matter what rumor.

I wonder how John is feeling.  He really didn't want to pander to the religious right and actually thought he wouldn't have to do what Bush did.  He somehow thought that he could get enough independents and Dems to cross over to support him. McCain has learned that the Republican party is owned by the religious right.  He can't go against their will. They have become the base and core of the party.

(Taken from a comment on another excellent blog covering this, at www.politicalbase.com/.../&blogId=3482:

Here is the damning evidence for Bristol being the mother of Trig (you have to really need to connect the dots here) via Anchorage Daily News ( community.adn.com/.../130178):

"a rumor - long simmering in Alaska -- that Palin's daughter Bristol was pregnant and the governor somehow covered it up by pretending to have the baby (Trig) herself... What's Palin's in-state spokesman, Bill McAllister say (about that)?... He said Palin once approached him - before people knew she (i.e. Sarah Palin "supposedly") was pregnant - assuming he'd been hearing rumors. "She said it's not true about Bristol," McAllister said. At the time, the rumor would have been that Palin's daughter was pregnant."

Translation: there were loud rumors of Bristol being pregnant before March 5, 2008, the day when Sarah Palin announced her own pregnancy. That means, either (a) Bristol is now at least 7-8 months pregnant (and not 5 months as claimed by today's announcement) OR (b) she was very pregnant (hence rumors) then and gave birth to Trig on April 12 after which she fell pregnant once again (and makes her "about" 5 months pregnant now).

This is all in the local newspaper. You just need to read carefully!! People, this is Bristol's second pregnancy!

The question I have is since the Trig rumor was circulating four months ago in Alaska, Sarah Palin had to know with 100% certainty that it was only a matter of time before it grew legs and that Bristol would come under intense scrutiny.  I don’t think Sarah is obligated to prove anything but, knowing full well that her daughter and son would be uncomfortably and unfairly thrust into the lime light, why wouldn’t she take a blood test and put this to rest four months ago?  I can hear people say she shouldn’t need to do that and your right but look at what the outcome of not doing that has become. Did she really think this wouldn’t come up or be blown out of proportion?  That is just not believable.   When was she planning on disclosing Bristol’s pregnancy?  That was going to come out sooner or latter as well.  Was her plan to wait until the rumors grew out of proportion before addressing them? Is that evidence of how she will handle accusations made against the USA if she is elected?  Bury her head in the sand until it becomes a liability?   I don’t believe Bristol is Trigs mother but the situation was such that any fool could realize that any number of rumors or variations on this story were bound to propagate.  It was just a question of when and how bad.  Why did she allow this to continue for so long and allow her daughter to unnecessarily suffer?  With just a little forethought she could have released this information on her own terms and cut off the propagation of all these silly rumors before they took root.   She really has exercised poor judgment thought this whole ordeal.  One person could have prevented all of this, and that is Sarah Palin.

Does anyone know how to do any simple math? IF Sarah's son Trig was born in April and is 4 or 5 months old, and her daughter is now 5 months old, does anyone honestly believe she went out and IMMEDIATELY got pregnant again? Come on, this is unbelievable that people would attack a family like this. Democrats must really be scared!!!!

@Aaron-

sure, the math doesn't work if you assume that Palin is telling the truth... but the whole point here is that the whole story has more holes in it than a moon's worth of Swiss cheese.

If Trig is Palin's child, why have we not seen a single person step up to attest to that?  Where is Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, the GP who delivered Trig?  For that matter, where are the photos taken at the birth?  (Are you saying that no one too photos of Sarah giving birth to her 5th child?!  Not one?!)

If you already don't trust the original story, then the "convenient timing" of Bristol's current pregnancy seems nearly too damned neat.

If you want to just swallow this story, despite all the inconsistencies that are listed above and all over the Internet, feel free.  And maybe a lot of us will Burn In Hell for pestering Sarah and the family SHE CHOSE to take onto the national stage... we'll just have to see.  The Truth Will Out, but only if we keep asking.  (Just ask John Edwards...)

Curiouser,

             Get a life!.

              Nobody photograhed my birth. Who photographs births?,especially Down's Syndrome births?.

Rick_H,

Gee, maybe they don't in your neck of the woods, but I have a photo of me touching my son's head as he first emerged, and a LOT of photos in the moments after he was delivered.

I didn't realize that Down's babies came out with tentacles and three heads...?

Darren you also have a baby head avatar.  Fool.  However, people Trig is Bristol's baby and the only way we can prove it is with a DNA test which they will never agree to because it is true.  What will happen next, is that Bristol will have a miscarriage because the stress from the media and bloggers was too much for her and that will kill the story.  But we all know the truth, that is not Sarah's baby.  This is a massive cover up by McCain and Palin and some republicans (can't blame them all).  But what is done in secret will come out in the open eventually.

It is sad that these events have engrossed all of our attention so. There is a lot of intriguing statements that have been made, some purely preposterous and others somewhere in between. I think that when it comes to who will be the next president and vice president of the USA, the only thing that should really matter is whether they can do the job and much of that will not be seen until they are actually in office (so the speculation is totally biased and ridiculous). No one can change this young ladies pregnancy but what her family can do is help her deal with it. While I am disturbed by some of Sarah Palin's explanations of current events surrounding her and her daughter's pregnancies, I can only hope that this matter is cleared up soon so we as voters can focus on more pressing issues of state. Finally, it is my hope that there is some crazy sounding but soap-opearesque explanation for all that is happening in the Palin home cause if not, I would worry about more than just Sarah Palin's political career if I were her (lying for political advancement--that's just sick and may just win her a very special place in Hell).

I think Sarah Palin is indeed the mother of Trig. I also think that if she insisted on giving her speech on April 17th after her waters broke, and then insisted on going on that 8 hours flight back to Alaska, it was because she knew that doing so could easily kill the fetus, and hoped that it would - a form of passive abortion which would save her face with regard to her position about abortion. It didn't work, and now she is saddled with a Down's Syndrome child.

this sounds worse than the addams family

Doesn't anyone see the rich irony in Babygate and exactly why McCain should be crucified for his pick of Palin for VP?  MaCain tried to link in peoples' minds Obama who is famous for his accomplishments to Britney Spears who is infamous for her misconduct by equating them as celebrities. Bristol Palin follows in Britney Spear's out-of-wedlock sister Jamie Lynn Spear's footsteps (or lack thereof -lol) and is linked to their infamy in a brilliant stroke of instant karma.    

COULD THIS BE A TRAP ?>?>?>?

While people like me are all a dither over the "facts" of this matter, look what's happening.  The lapdog press is failing, once again, to ask the questions it ought to be asking.  Instead, Daily Kos and friends are being villified at the RNC with "these people have no shame, etc".  It's got lots of inconsistencies, just like lots of things (run up to the Iraq war for example), yet it serves to energize the base with a hatred we can not understand.

Have we bit the bait?  With the "photo's being scrubbed", and dates altered and all the details that don't add up.  Meanwhile no one talks about policy, and the media portrays us as a bunch or rumor mongerors.  Oh, and poor Bristol.  It's a family matter.  Leave the young girl alone.  Now they are going to trot out the "Dad" Levi, to wild applause at the RNC.  Maybe if I hurry up and have sex with one of the other daughters, I can get a spot on stage myself!

"Paul", seems you're deliberately trying to mislead, skew, and lie against Obama.

"Corrupt ties?" Hmm, seems the arab-xenophobia angle is still being played here.

Rezko is a massive Chicago financier and business figure, who had ties to heaps of people in politics (including of course, longtime Republican insider Stuart Levine, who he was convicted for scheming with). Obama returned all campaign donations after learning of Rezko's indictment in 2006.

Ayham al-Samarie, from what I've seen, has nothing to do with Obama whatsoever.

His having talked with Rezko..  association by association.. doesn't fly. If you want to link al-Samarie to anyone in politics, the big easy one is the Bush administration, and Blackwater who busted him out of prison.

Rashid Khalidi is a respected historian in arab affairs in Chicago, and he's indeed friends with Obama. The PLO allegation is unsubstantiated, even if predictable, given that Khalidi is a Palestinian.

And no, Ron Paul is not a "9/11 truther", except maybe in that he wants to shine more light in the government in general.  He's repeatedly said he doesn't believe the "inside job" conspiracy theories. He has however, acknowledged that the neocons in the Bush administration are certainly capable of doing things like it to achieve support for their goals.

Ron Paul is THE MAN by the way, I highly recommend looking into him and his issues some more.

This may have nothing to do with the Democrats. Keep in mind that heaps of Republicans and Independents alike think McCain is unstable, disingenuous, and a war-mongering neocon tool, and don't want him in office. Then of course there are people like those at the National Enquirer, who literally make it their job to dig furiously at any talk of baby mamas. I'm sure they're overjoyed at how easy Palin is making their job lately.

Abstinence-only education is explicitly endorsed in this year's Republican party platform, which calls forgoing sex before marriage "the responsible and expected standard of behaviour".

and bristol and the redneck (who says on myspace he doesnt want kids)  will be on that platform. they must wonder what a crazy world adults live in

Another desperate housewife drama.

Perhaps the most f***ed up consequence of this spiraling Republican mega disaster with Palingate (or is Babygate now? Water Breakgate perhaps?) is that it's probably going to have major geopolitical implications.

This is basically a worst-case scenario for the GOP, with everything falling apart at the worse possible time, *and* with the economy in free fall.  It's threatening the very survival of a unified GOP itself, and Palingate is only going to get worse-- even without Water Breakgate issue, Sarah Palin is undoubtedly a Nixonian crook who's getting busted for Troopergate, supporting the Bridge to Nowhere and then BS'ing about the whole thing.

So how can the GOP rescue itself at this juncture?  There's only way, and they know it-- war with Iran.  It's the only thing that would change the subject to national security and the imminent threat of a "terrorist state," and pave the way for a John McCain victory.

If Iran is accused in trumped-up charges of supplying deadly IED's and mortars to Iraqi insurgents, Bush and Cheney could probably declare this to be "an act of war" by Iran against US citizens.  Which Bush and Cheney would then use as justification for air strikes, naval attacks and a ground invasion of Iran.  In the meantime, the patriotic verve gives the GOP something to chest-thump about, accuse Democrats of being wusses and unpatriotic traitors-- and, of course, distract the media enough to provide McCain with some cover to replace Palin, probably with Joe Lieberman, or perhaps Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee.  

IOW, I see a US-led war against Iran as all but inevitable in September or October.  In fact, probably a September Surprise coming a bit earlier than an October Surprise in this case.  And the sad thing is, considering how easily the public is moved by superficial displays of patriotism-- it would probably work like a charm.

It's a shame really.  It's been 24 years since the last time a woman was on the National ticket, much too long, and it'll probably be a long time until it happens again.  Wish someone would put a woman on the ticket without being desperate to shake things up.

it is obvious that both pregnancies are bristols. that is not the point. sarah palins lies are the issue. she is scambling in her tangled web. she's a goner,back to mooseville, shame on her.

My cousin got pregnant on her wedding night. NOT BEFORE: her father never let them be alone together for 5 seconds (good for him!) so Track Palin COULD have been conceived, easily, soon after S&T's wedding. But I do think baby no. 5 was a fake.... I want to have at least twenty children, and I will never have pre-marital sex and abortion is murder!

         I don't see anything unusual about flying all the way back to her hometown to give birth.

           Why?.

          Because Gov. Palin's doctor, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, won a national award as Family Physician of the Year in 2002. And her practice focuses on obstetrics.

    Link about her getting the award:

       www.allbusiness.com/.../103983-1.html

    Corrected link:

    www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-alaska/103983-1.html

The whole scenario fits together logically like this:

Bristol originally got pregnant last fall not by the boy they are now claiming to be the current father, but by a full-blooded Inuit or Eskimo. Bristol insisted on having an abortion, but her mother forbade her. Bristol ended up agreeing to have the baby under two conditions: 1. She would stay home from school until the baby was born, and 2. Her mother would claim that the child was actually hers.  This second condition actually was a stone that killed two birds, since it would explain the baby's squinty-eyed appearance, since they could say that because Sarah is an older mother, the baby has Down’s syndrome.  Some years later, of course, it will turn out that the baby doesn’t have Down's syndrome -- but that could just be chalked up as another "miracle."  I'm not saying the family had any discriminatory feelings about Inuits -- we all know they are great, upstanding people -- but they do tend to have eyes pulled back at the edges, and this was going to take some explaining!

So far, so good.  We all know that Bristol stayed home those five months, and Sarah claimed to have miraculously given birth to a baby, even though she hasn't looked pregnant beforehand.

Then, last Sunday morning, because of Sarah's nomination has McCain's VP, the bloggers started surmising most of the truth.  Sarah, Bristol and their family and cohorts looked like they were going to be caught in their lie, so as a last-ditch effort they claimed that Bristol was five months pregnant.  This apparently solves the problem, since if this were true Bristol could never have given birth to Trig (so-named because of the one son and two-mother triangle).

Just one more lie, to cover up the whole preceding string.  This one seems to be working.  Even the bloggers seem to have mostly fallen off from the track.  Later, it will turn out that Bristol will have “unfortunately” miscarried the baby.  But that won't be until after the election in  November.

The whole scenario fits together logically like this:

Bristol originally got pregnant last fall not by the boy they are now claiming to be the current father, but by a full-blooded Inuit or Eskimo. Bristol insisted on having an abortion, but her mother forbade her. Bristol ended up agreeing to have the baby under two conditions: 1. She would stay home from school until the baby was born, and 2. Her mother would claim that the child was actually hers.  This second condition actually was a stone that killed two birds, since it would explain the baby's squinty-eyed appearance, since they could say that because Sarah is an older mother, the baby has Down’s syndrome.  Some years later, of course, it will turn out that the baby doesn’t have Down's syndrome -- but that could just be chalked up as another "miracle."  I'm not saying the family had any discriminatory feelings about Inuits -- we all know they are great, upstanding people -- but they do tend to have eyes pulled back at the edges, and this was going to take some explaining!

So far, so good.  We all know that Bristol stayed home those five months, and Sarah claimed to have miraculously given birth to a baby, even though she hasn't looked pregnant beforehand.

Then, last Sunday morning, because of Sarah's nomination has McCain's VP, the bloggers started surmising most of the truth.  Sarah, Bristol and their family and cohorts looked like they were going to be caught in their lie, so as a last-ditch effort they claimed that Bristol was five months pregnant.  This apparently solves the problem, since if this were true Bristol could never have given birth to Trig (so-named because of the one son and two-mother triangle).

Just one more lie, to cover up the whole preceding string.  This one seems to be working.  Even the bloggers seem to have mostly fallen off from the track.  Later, it will turn out that Bristol will have “unfortunately” miscarried the baby.  But that won't be until after the election in  November.

www.allbusiness.com/.../103983-1.html

Isn't it curious that Sarah Palin opted to put her daughter under the national spotlight by stating that she is now five months pregnant instead of disclosing her medical records to show that she, Sarah, was in fact the mother of Trig?

The issue arose out of who was Trig's real mother. If Sarah was the mother, she didn't have to throw Bristol under the bus by simply releasing the names of her doctors, anesthesiologists, ob/gyn, etc who were part of delivering Trig.

Lets say Sarah is the mother, the facts are as follows:

1) Sarah is 43 and pregnant with a high risk, special needs baby.

2) Her water brakes in Dallas, but instead of rushing to the hospital, she goes gives a speech at a Republican convention, then gets on a regular commercial flight back to Anchorage. That almost 10hr flight with a stopover in Seattle.

3) She lands in Anchorage, but drives 50 miles, past 2 hospitals capable of handling the high risk, special needs pregnancy, to Mat Su Hospital to deliver.

4) By the way, Bristol is out of school for about 6 months due to "mono".

5) No one notices any distress from Sarah during the speech or the 10hr flight back to AK.

6) She finally delivers baby Trig, 20hrs after her water broke.

7) Nobody notices she is pregnant, and only announces it a month before she delivers.

8) There are only 2 babies listed as delivered on April 18th, 2008. Trig is not one of them.

If she is the mother of Trig, then her behavior was absolutely reckless and showed she was willing to put baby Trig in great danger so she could deliver back in Wasilla. To prove this was the fact, all she had to do was show her medical records.

But, it's more likely that Bristol was pregnant, being out of sight for about 6 months, she went into labor. But since first child births can take a long time, she figured she could come back to AK by then. She delivered the keynote speech, got on an airplane, drove to Wasilla to cover for Trig's birth. If that's the case, she can't show medical records of her own pregnancy.

So, to debunk the story, she puts out that Bristol is pregnant "now" for 5 months, which makes it physically impossible for her to have given birth in April. All this, without actually showing a single medical record, or naming a doctor who can verify the fact. And a pregnancy that will continue beyond the election, when, it is very likely Bristol will suffer a "miscarriage" and end the phantom pregnancy.

Some of you guys will say this is nuts, but its very easy to prove without dragging Bristol into the pictures. Ask Sarah Palin to release her medical records.

Rick ....

For some of us it was poor judgment on her part to come back to alaska for what ever reason. The facts speak for them self.

Doctors tell you not to fly last month before birth

Palin knew her baby could be at a higher risk for medical issues becuse downs babies often have then.

Palin herslef Stated she was having mild contractions and leaking fluid.

fact her baby was not full term but a month early.

fact if something can leak out something like infection can get in.

She states she spoke to her docter... IF this is true and her doctor told her to go ahead and take the flight home with out stopping at a hospital first.  I will not be going to her for my next child.

fact ...she mad the choich to drive to the Valley to have the baby instead of having her doctor meet her in anchorage where they have the best equipent to deal with babies.

All of this leads to a person who has but her wants / needs in front of her baby.  This was not about what sarah wanted it should have been about what the baby needed,

did it turn out ok .....  yes thank god but it does not make a damn bit of difference to me, she made a real poor judgment call. Anyone that would make a poor judgment like this is no one i want leading my country

Found an article written by someone who knew her in Wasilla. Interesting reads.... and kinda make me scared to cross her.

www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html

Judgement,

            I agree with you.

             I was trying to discredit the "Bristol is Trig's mother" conspiracy people who think she flew back as part of a cover-up.

Aquarius,

            VERY interesting article. The Dem's should get ahold of that.

It's not bad to have a baby (or two) out of wedlock. It IS BAD to not really know or understand American History.

The clearest evidence of Sarah Palin’s views on abortion, gay marriage and sex education policy came from her answers to a July 2006 questionnaire issued by the Eagle Forum of Alaska, a social conservative organization, posted on their blog. The questionnaire has been removed from the group’s website. However he post still lives on in Google’s archives:

<a href="209.85.215.104/search archived article</a>

It includes this gem:

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

THIS is a Vice Presidential candidate?? Sarah Palin, read up on when the Pledge of Allegiance was written, and when “Under God” was added. The Founding Fathers knew nothing about the Pledge, dear. Sigh. This woman is pathetic…

My 17 year old son caught Palin's historical errors soon as he heard her quote. My 12 year old then gave the history of the pledge and when under god became part of the pledge. Wow, guess we do not have to worry about Palin being overeducated.

Mod...if you are not going to add my post, then kindly email it to me so that I can post it elsewhere.  Thx

Sarah could have posted a picture of herself clearly pregnant instead of editing and deleting other photos or announcing her daughter's pregnancy to the world to knock down rumors.

There was more in my previous post, but apparently there is no free speech here.

Sheenque: People have said this about DNA tests, but they're not usually required to prove motherhood because...uh, a lot of witnesses were there. If you believe there's a cover up, it's pretty easy to also believe she can switch the DNA samples. Seriously--which is harder to do? Keep innumerable people quiet, or just switch the samples? For the people here who say that she'll have a "miscarriage," neither a DNA test nor pregnant pictures (which do exist) will satisfy them.

A birth certificate would satisfy all reasonable people.

Mary: that photo was taken in 2006. It doesn't show anyone pregnant with Trigg. Stop spreading garbage.

www.adn.com/.../509850.html

Sean Insannity,

She could have posted a picture of herself clearly pregnant if she was CLEARLY PREGNANT. Since she was not showing at all and she even had the ability to sit crossed legged like a pretzel just before her announcement makes a lot of people question her "PREGNANCY". She does not even have a breast of a pregnant woman.

Now, to stop people from talking about her she put her daughter and Levi in front of her and demand that people should stop trying to out more information about her.

So, McCain is using her as a shield and she is using her daughter and boyfriend as a shield and her daughter is using Trig as a shield.

They are so pathetic that it is even not funny. We need strong leaders who believes in transparency, not conspiracy, not name calling, not pointing fingers. And NOT another Monica Goodling!

COULD IT BE THAT PALIN'S BELLY IS LEFTOVER PREGNANCY BELLY?

SHE MIGHT NOT BE PREGNANT NOW. MAYBE SOME TIME FROM NOW IT WILL BE ANOUNCED THAT SHE LOST IT, AND THEN NOT HAVE TO GET MARRIED AFTER ALL, AND EVERYBODY HOPES TO LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

I honestly have nothing against this lady, whether this baby is hers or her daughters, but if she is a good mother why is she taking her baby with her every where. Its past 9.30 PM and the baby is at a Republican Convention. Shouldn't the child be in bed.

that pic posted on yahoo is as old as the hills..not trying to be mean of funny, but I know alaska isn't the fashion capital of the world..you can look that the hair and clothes and tell that is an old picture...sorry..but she is obviously lying....

I think Frank Burns put the pieces together.  Palin can prove everyone wrong by releasing med records.  We all know that Karl Rove and his henchmen are now calling the shots for McCain.  This sounds like something they would dream up.  Get out of the way, Karl is driving the bus, or should I say, the swiftboat.

It has also been suggested that Bristol is truly a good girl who believes in family values.  It's just a shame that she went out to party too many times with Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton.  They exposed her to bad people who did not share our GOP family values.  That's why the Palins are in this situation.  Blame it on Paris and Brittany.  I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

I think it's even easier than getting medical records or a birth certificate.  As someone said above, these sorts of things are witnessed by LOTS of people... so let's hear from them. Dr Baldwin-Johnson, an attending nurse, one of the kids, Ma and Pa Heath, you name it.

Heck, let's just see ONE SINGLE PICTURE taken in the delivery room that day. JUST ONE.  That's all they need to shut this down... unless, of course, they don't have any.

Why would a woman having her 5th child not take any pictures, in this day and age?  hell, I have a dozen pictures of my son's delivery, and you can see without any possible doubt who the mother is.

So all we need is one picture - but of course, that's all they need, and they don't have it, so what else can they do?

yeah, i believe this story.

It's nice how the woman with a pregnant teenage daughter demands an abstinence only health class

Sarah Dear-heart you should have used the pregnancy suit. McStupid, why in the good name of George W didn't you pick Kay Bailey Hutchinson?

She's letting Bristol wear her preggo suit for the moment to keep the lie perpetuating.

When I clicked on this link from the following post my computer rebooted. Did someone give me some type of weird virus or something?

aquarius said:

Found an article written by someone who knew her in Wasilla. Interesting reads.... and kinda make me scared to cross her.

www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html

OK- If Sarah was smart enough to concoct this conspiracy -

and I think she is and I think she did - she would have had an eagle eye on Bristol's appearance and photos and she would not have had the the "bump" picture taken - in the tight clothes.    

My guess this was actually pre-Bristol/Trig pregnancy.

And where the hell is the Doctor now !!

PARDON OT - BUT THIS MIGHT TICKLE A BRAIN CELL OR A RIB:

Here is my twisted take on the whole Palin mess.  

Keeping in mind that John McCain is the most vindictive

politician since Nixon- and he knows the Democrats have

this election all wrapped up –

he chose the grossly under qualified Palin so he could sit back and giggle, while the “my friends” Republicans who

would not back him – when he desperately needed them -

and before they had to – they would have to squirm and

slither as they explained on TV how great Palin really is.

Well, Bristel looks like a woman who gave birth to a baby 5 months ago and Sara does not. If you look at bristol's upper body looks like a mom. Not  mom to be. Usually young woman of bristol's age would not show that much on thier first pregnancy. It think the whole thing about Sara Palin giving brith to this babay 5 months ago is a big lie. I hope Someone goes after this and bring the facts out.

There are many pictures on the internet that show Sarah was pregnet during this time. For example:

www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734%3Cbr%3E

Quite Ironic that last year Palin cut the budget for children who need special education, and another program to help teenage mothers cos they dont sit with her values or politics

who cares...cougar for president

haha

covering up an unwanted baby to protect the governership after her rise to power is not that hard to beleive

I want a DNA test , that shouldnt be that much to ask of our future VP. in fact you cant get a job in america today with a drug test , i beleive they should also be subject to that

As if the Republican VP saga wasn't surreal

   enough, we get the news that Jamie Lynn Spears

   has been sending presents to Bristol Palin.

   Britney's little sis has just had a baby aged

   17, hoped to marry her childhood sweetheart but

   is reading magazine covers saying he's cheating

   on her instead. JL sent Bristol a card saying

   "Dear Bristol: Hang in there!!!!! XXOO" and

   "a care package of fancy embroidered burp cloths".

    Packaged in a mini pink suitcase, the $60

    set of five coordinating burp cloths are

    embroidered with Babe, Loved, Yummy, Fresh,

    and a skull & bones. JL asked for them in pink,

    so looks like Bristol is expecting a girl.

What an amazing story.  I hate palin and everything she stands for.  I read this "conspiracy theory" with a grain of salt, but damned if her version of this story doesn't make any sense.

The most obvious proof that Trig is not Palin's baby is the LACK of proof that he is. What mother doesn't have hospital rm pics taking the day of delivery? And are you telling me that over a 7mth span there isn't one SINGLE GOOD PIC of her preggers? The ones some of you have posted are not definitive, that's for sure. I smell BS! Maybe it will come to light, maybe not. You gotta hand it to the GOP- they never overestimate the intelligence of the American public.

The most obvious proof that Trig is not Palin's baby is the LACK of proof that he is. What mother doesn't have hospital rm pics taking the day of delivery? And are you telling me that over a 7mth span there isn't one SINGLE GOOD PIC of her preggers? The ones some of you have posted are not definitive, that's for sure. I smell BS! Maybe it will come to light, maybe not. You gotta hand it to the GOP- they never overestimate the intelligence of the American public.

Over and over again the pundits and politicans. mostly republican, are saying to leave Palin's family alone. Republicans are saying that the dems are smearing her family. First, I want to know just ONE dem. politician that has said anything smearing about her family.

Secondly, many dem (and also republican)voters are talking about Palin's family. It is one thing to tell the politicians to lay off the family another for the voters.

Many people feel it is not our business what goes on in the Palin family, and this may or may not be true based on personal opinion. I do want to point out though that if the voters want to know and judge the Palin family it is too bad for Palin. Most Americans vote by emotion and who they can relate to. If they are not satisfied by her responses to all these allegations they will let her know how they feel when they cast their vote.

Check out the photo of the National Governor's Conference in Washington D.C. on February 25, 2008, first row, second from left.  Does she look pregnant there?  There have to be other pictures taken at this conference?

I think everyone should bang the drum loudly to get Gov Palin to release her medical records concerning  her pregnancy.  The story of flying from Texas to Alaska after her water broke doesn't pass the smell test.  Driving to a small hospital while passing better hospitals with an at risk pregnancy doesn't pass the smell test.  There are two choices here; either she is lying, or she has incredibly bad judgement and should answer for her selfish behavior towards her newborn.

If Trig is 4 months old and Sarah's daughter is 5 months pregnant, then it is physically impossible for the baby to be the daughter's.  Duh!!!!!!

I have just came from another group that thinks that Trig could be Sara Palin's son and she took that long flight back because she wanted him to born in Alaska. Reason being she is part of the Alaskan Independence Party who thinks that they should be a separate country from America like Puerto Rico.

They at first said that she was a member but later retracted that although I am not surprise. Her husband has been a member until 2002 when she ran for governor the first time.

There was also a suggestion that AIP members "infiltrate" other parties in order to influence their agenda from within.

Also, in her question: "what does a VP do?", she wanted to know what would be in it for Alaska.

www.youtube.com/watch

just get over it!!! it's sarah's baby!!!

I'm a mother.  I also work in the health field.  Sarah Palin went through four deliveries prior to the birth of her fifth.  The story goes that her water broke, she delivered a speech, sat through a 12-hour flight to Alaska, went to one hospital, switched to another, and then had her baby.  Yeah, right!  I'm just SO sure!!  After even a second delivery, any woman with more than two children can tell you that subsequent deliveries go faster and faster.  When a close-to-term woman's water breaks -- even if she's a first-time mom -- there's no hesitation, there's no weighing of options, there's no choice at all -- it's get to a hospital as fast as you can and hope you make it in time!  That fifth child would likely require about 15 minutes of labor before insisting on being born!  

Who do they think they're kidding?  How stupid do they think we are?  Please tell me no one is buying this fairy tale.  I don't care WHO turns out to be the mother of that fifth child, but I CANNOT and WILL NOT abide another bunch of liars, criminals, hypocrits, and panderers seizing power, occupying OUR White House, and laughing amongst themselves at how they can get We, the People, to believe ANYTHING they say because We, the People, are just SO damn stupid!!  Wake up, America!!!  As Dennis Kucinich, an absolute GIANT of a man in my eyes, yelled over and over at the DNC, for the love of anything at all, WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!

Crazy talk!  Keep it up.  Especially in public.  

When you finish telling your friends and coworkers this wild story and all your twisted conspiracy theories, etc., it's too bad you can't see that they are rolling their eyes as they walk away. It's too bad you don't hear them telling others how weird you are.  Especially make sure to tell your theories to your boss so when the opportunity for a promotion arises, you'll be the first person that comes to mind to fill that job.  

Yes, keep it up.  More opportunities for the rest of us.

Cristi you must be able to dispute or explain the facts.  Please enlighten us.  Please provide answers to these questions since Palin will not. Thanks.

Find medical experts that would advise a 40+ year old sitting governor who is leaking fluid a month early and carrying a DS baby to board a plane without any medical personnel aboard the plane.  Her own doctor said that she did not advise Palin to board the plane.  The baby was born a month early and Palin thought she knew her body.  Her previous pregnancies were prior to age 35 and pregnancies post age 40 are much riskier.  

Also why would Palin choose to drive all the way to the small village where she was mayor to have the delivery knowing that she was passing hospitals that had the necessary equipment and emergency facilities to deliver a premature DS baby to a place that indeed did not have the necessary equipment?  

Why didn't her doctor meet her at the closer hospital with the necessary equipment instead of having her travel even further?

Also why was Bristol out driving (got in a driving accident)  while supposedly so ill and contagious that she had to be off from school for months?

My question is - Bristol pregnant twice????  Got pregnant again after 1st pregnancy?

OK, I'll restate what so many have said-

   this has nothing to do with Trig or Bristol.  

This has to do with a VP pick who puts her political role

before her family and/or her Rovian ability to concoct

a lying scheme to cover the truth and/or her gross

negligence towards her unborn child.  

And, of course, McCain's negligent choice to put

politics ahead of country.

Maybe we never saw "REPUBLICAN" on a single sign at

the convention because they will rename it the

"NEGLIGENCE" party.

And now for the sad thought:  With the missing doctor,

all of the forged evidence, missing and doctored photos,

and fraud repeated so many times above,

can we even hope that any new evidence or disclosed

Alaska birth certificate is not forged ?

She really scares you Dems, doesn't she?

Tuxguys, she doesn't scare me at all.  I would have been nervous if the choice was Romney.  I think the pair McCain/Romney would have been much harder to beat. My fiscally conservative Republican friends wanted Romney and now they're disappointed.  They aren't social conservatives so Palin isn't the best choice for them. They kept talking about how McCain knows foreign policy and Romney knows the economy and how he was a governor in a liberal state.  With the economy tanking so badly and it being the top issue to voters they felt that together they  make the ticket appealing to independents and some Democrats.  They had convincing arguments and I was worried that Romney would be selected.  The Palin selection brought on a sigh of relief for me.  I can't speak for all Democrats like you seem to, I think it's the best thing for Democrats.  I don't think America has enough idiots to actually put Palin one heartbeat away from the presidency.

Palin is a very smart pick by Rove.

Two scenarios:

1)

This cements the evangelical base - not to vote for McSame - they would have anyway - but to WORK for McSame.

AND / OR

2)

Did anyone love the brilliant Tommy Schlamme TV series "Jack and Bobby" like I did?  Maybe Rove liked it too.  See the episode "Stalking Horse" about the president appointing a man to the supreme court - who he knew the senate would not confirm - so he could appoint the man he wanted.

Lieberman/Hutchinson/Ridge - you're up next !

To My Compatriot Thrilled

"I don't think America has enough idiots to actually put Palin one heartbeat away from the presidency."

Sadly I must remind you -

 not only do we have enough idiots -

 we did have enough idiots -

 in 2000 and 2004.

 Not to mention 1968 1972 1980 1984.

The only war Sarah would lie us into would

be a war on godlessness.

Look at this pic, it's obvious she's pregnant, and it's not during the time of her last daughter....

www.anorak.co.uk/.../188964.html

That Yahoo picture link with the woman largely pregant in the red shirt is strange to me.  The hair and eye glasses styles do not look current, but from the 80's.  Banana clip in the hair of the woman on the left... when was this photo taken??  

I believe the red shirt / glasses pregnant Sarah is from 18 years ago with her first child.

Also the ballroom pic looks a lot like a hotel meeting room in mid town NYC - Hilton or Marriot.  I know that's weak.

If she can lie about supporting the bridge to nowhere and lie about selling the jet on ebay - IN HER VERY FIRST NATIONAL SPEECH - and lie about troopergate - and lie about Barak's executive experiencw [ He is CEO of the largest, longest, most successful political campaign in history with a $100,000,000+ budget and thousands of people throughout America] she can lie about all of this mess.  

Yes, Barak, kids are off limits - BUT what a candidate does to their kids is a ligitimate issue.  It would be simple to close the book on the microscope on her children if she just allowed an independent ( non Alaska ) DNA test of herself, Todd and Trig.  

Sarah- please sign releases allowing your medical staff to talk to the press so your chidren will no longer be scrutinized as the only way to get to the truth.  Unfortunately, Sarah baracuda rules Alaska with an iron hand (sounds like our current VP) and might be able to get them to lie for her (ask Dick and Scooter).  And I'm sure George's CIA would be happy to forge a birth certificate.

But I cannot figure out why Dr. Johnson is SCRUBBED.  She is no longer on the Mat Su staff list.  She is no longer their Medical Director.  She is nowhere on the holpital web site.

Even her local practise phone number has been disconnected.

Since she can hide completely from any questions - via patient confidentiality - why isn't she there?  

The hunt for photos may be fun but virtually nothing is conclusive.  Photos can be altered, posted with different dates.  I suspect the famous bump pix is from early LAST year.  At this point, a birth cert and three eye witnesses to the birth (who - by Sarah's negligence) are all going to be Alaskans might not be enough.  Do you have the courage to dare pull your children out of this mess?  A very carefully monitored DNA test would prove the truth -

but, sadly, Sarah -  "You just can't handle the truth" ?

I wonder if Sarah & John will continue to include the above lies - now proven - in their standard stump speech - I hope so.  

I would like to ask Sarah:  

What should the prison term be for a woman, raped by her father, who pays a non-md for an abortion?  Does abstenance only work?  What is your exact definition of WIN in Iraq?  What is your scientific evidence that global warming is not - at least partly caused by man? Will you lie to us and say creationism is not a religious teaching and it is an alternate to Darwin's theory and that is why it should be taught in public schools?  Is the earth only 10,000 years old? or billions of years old?  Is God smart enough and powerful enough to CREATE EVOLUTION? What is your alternative to the atomic theory? Do you handle snakes?  Do you speak in tongues?  Do you believe Armageddon is coming soon and the rest of the world is going to hell?  Do you think government should spend less on special needs children - since you reduced this number last year - or should we spend more - like you called for this week?

Oh, dear Sarah, you are so quintessentially Republican.

Well done, John.

There is no way that the mother(Sara) carried that baby.She lied. It is the way in which she holds the baby, not with  the love as a mother would, but as a Grandma would. I have done it 5 times over. John McCain was tricked and it will return to bit him on the face.

The "rumor" of Sarah Palin's affair with he husband's business partner is the next scandal. John Edward's affair was only rumor too.  Here we go again!

Would someone explain all the schools that Bristol has attended in the past year.  Our newspaper showed a picture of her playing basketball for Juneau-Douglas in Jan/Feb 2008, then Ass't principal of Wassila HS said she was there and transferred suddenly to unnamed high school in Anchorage.  That is 3 high schools in 2007-2008 school year.

PL1FIRST, that was a great post and you ask some great questions.

I have doubts about her too because of all the lies she has been telling. The bridge to nowhere which she was for and then she was against. But, she decide to keep the money from the bridge project anyway for her pet project. That does not show me that she is rejecting earmarks. When you take the money that is offered for that earmarks that meant that you are for it.

Then there is that lie about selling that jet on ebay for a profit. Now we find out that she put it on ebay 3 times but never sold it there. It was sold through a broker for LESS than what they paid for it.

It seems that everytime she opens her mouth she put her foot in it. No wonder they are putting her on a plane back to Alaska. It is easy to love a person who is not around.

Palin Hangover will be coming soon unless the MSM decide to puss foot around her because she is a woman. I guess the US is not ready for a woman in the highest office in the land if we will be accuse of sexism if we want answers from her.

Did you see Jon Stewart show a couple of days ago when he compared what Rove said about her and about gov. Kaine? It is really funny and eye opening too.

www.youtube.com/watch

Mathematics, please

Trig Palin 4 months old.

Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant

This means that she was "reimpregnated"

while Trig was still in the womb.

Move on to the next vicious topic, or go back to

searching for UFO's

--The Immanent Eschaton

Does Sarah have 4 or 5 children.  We “the people” need a simple fact check!  If you want to know the truth about the Sarah Palin pregnancy HOAX, check out this website which has all the links and facts/lies in one place.  Give yourself an education and then you can judge for yourself! These are almost all news articles and some simple mental conclusions.  

www.ourchiropractic.com/sarah-bristol-fake-pregnancy-hoax-links.html

They could easily be lying about how old that unfortunately named baby is. I'm sure Palin's skanky daughter did get knocked up twice. I find it HILARIOUS that Pailin can't keep her own family under control, yet she is trying to micro-manage every American family by telling us who we can and can't marry and forcing women to have children. She is white trash who has been brainwashed by men her whole pathetic life, and any one who thinks otherwise is a total d-bag, low class, pile of crap.

I think if she pretended to be the mother of this child she should be removed from the United States of AMERICA!!!!! LET AONE RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT.  Come on PEOPLE!!!    

I have down syndrome and we should not pick a vice president that doesn't tell the truth!

We deserve a definitive answer on this question: Reliable DNA testing. This alone will prove who the baby's father is, and barring any indication of incest, it will also prove maternity.

Nothing less will put this issue to rest.

Nor would this even be an issue if Sarah Palin herself had not chosen to use the announcement of daughter Bristol's current pregnancy as a means to dispel the rumor that Trig is not her own.

This fundamentalist Christian politician would have retained her right to privacy on this matter if she had chosen to announce her daughter's engagement to be married rather than her illegitimate pregnancy. But she chose to thrust Bristol's pregnancy into the national spotlight in an ill-advised  maneuver to appeal to a fringe anti-choice constituency. Incredibly, she chose to gamble away her daughter Bristol's reputation among those same "traditional family values" voters for having irresponsible extramarital sex to show herself as extremely "Pro-Life."

If Palin had been so concerned about preserving her family's privacy she should have simply announced that her daughter was going to be married, and leave it at that. If anyone then asked anything about Bristol being  pregnant now or ever, she would have been able to shut them up with a firm, "It's none of your business."

Just to clear the air on a few things:

#1 Dear dear Nicole – please please don’t.  

If I could I get over the death, destruction, greed and dishonesty caused by the Republican leaders since Nixon, I have to pounce on their words.  In 1984 fashion they have turned “liberal” into a dirty word and it really makes me boil when I hear that I am a member of the Democrat Party.  This term was invented by Gingrich and has spread for years by his minions.  I have a fundamental right to be called what I want to be called – a member of the Democratic party – even if focus groups do respond positively to that word.

1984 & the Republicans have repeatedly shown us how important words and sloganeering can be – feminazi – dittohead – pinhead – swiftboat veterans for truth.  Somehow the Republicans have most expertly sunk into the gutter to use childish name calling – in the most important and lofty forums in our country.   I admit, I sometimes slip into McSame or McBush, but by doing so, I denigrate MYSELF.  I have paid close attention to this for years ( seemingly trivial subject ) and I am proud to say, that as a liberal Democrat, that the vast majority of this denigrating vocabulary has come from the right wing.  Please, Nicole, don’t stoop to their level.  It denigrates you it denigrates me. We have the truth and the facts and honor on our side.  We must use them!

#2 I like Barak but he was not my first choice.  Dennis was first – I love his unstoppable liberal thrust.  Joe was second – wisdom experience and the Iraq partition plan – and tough.  Hillary was fourth.  I think five things shot her down:   1> she chose friends, not experts to run her campaign.  Where the hell was Carville?   2> any time Bill or Hillary said something the WAS NOT RACIST but could be spun that way, the press spun it to racisim.  3>Barack threw out a slogan (as I said I hate this) as the candidate of CHANGE.  Anyone with honor and a brain would be a candidate of change, but he used it very skillfully to hook in voters who wanted change.  It was one word that made it easy for Democrats to not think or figure out the minute differences between them. 4> The vote to give George the right to invade was not “wrong” it was “trustingly naïve ”  5> During the debates, Hillary usually gave very specific answers that could be torn up by the pundits.  Most of Barak’s were generalities, tones, feel goods.  A very wise move by a very skilled, ambitious politician.

Bottom line- I am very pleased to be voting for Barak and love Joe.

#3 I enjoy the internet and blogs and research and I try to find the truth, but boy did I screw up.  Somehow a combination of “facts” that I dug up on Dr Baldwin-Johnson, the doctor who delivered Trig were bogus.  She is not “missing” and she does have a working practice in Wasilla with a working telephone.  If you want to see what “scrubbed” is all about go to the black box on this page and right click an see the properties alaskareport.com/.../z49194_republican_convention.htm

#4 “Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant”  Using these words to prove anything is just silly.  Stated by a proven liar it means nothing.  Do you personally know she has been pregnant for five months?  Were you there?  Even medical records – and we haven’t been allowed to see any – can be forged.

#5  The Jon Stewart piece was funny – AND VERY SAD.  This hypocrisy should be screamed by the main stream media.  In TV ads, Asked in the debates.

#6 For a wonderful insider’s look at Sarah, see Anne Kilkeeny:

www.zimbio.com/.../Anne+Kilkenny+Alaska+Email

#7 While my blogging and research is fun, remember our goal – to get Barak elected – talk all of this up – get your friends and coworkers to register and vote.  Print info and give it to people.  So far, I did get one non-registered to register and vote.  I’m still hammering away whenever I can.

If you are from Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada – you are our best hope!

completely OT & a warning

months ago, I heard someone ask if Ann Coulter was a man.  

I despise her & since I was bored and since there are so many physical signs, I decided to look it up on the internet.  There were hundreds of hits.  With very detailed stories of her being born a man, and her childhood etc.  THEY WERE ALL THE SAME - VIRTUALLY WORD FOR WORD CUT PASTED !  I still don't have the answer to this silly question - but it goes to show how the internet can be friend or foe!  

Again OT- what do you think a Democratic President + Congress should do about the last 8 years of lawbreaking?

let it go?  investigate just to get the truth?

take the law and order approach - try, convict, sentence?

I find this story so disturbing. If this story is true then you are talking about a very mentally unstable person a heart beat away from the presidency. Doesn't that make this our business??? I have looked at not seen one picture of Sarah Palin looking pregnant. And when i see other pictures of Bristol carying the baby like it is her own that is exactly what I think happened. I am sorry. Sarah Palin should step down from seeking the vice presidency.

That story about Sarah Palin not being the mother of "Trig" [as in "shotgun" ??] is very odd.

It is in part based on photos - well, everyone dresses warmly in Alaska! I once spent 9 months there, after graduate school, and all you do in winter is...drink and screw and drink and screw some more and shoot each other up when jealousy rears up... and in summer you watch the "cabin fever" shooting trials... and the sentence for these "crimes of passion" is two years... used to be, we are talking Fairbanks a very different place from Anchorage/ Juneau...

If Bristol is Trig's mother and gave birth in April and is again 5 months pregnant? Well, it can happen of course, since that's all you do in Alaska and they only had two days of summer this year in Anchorage... But why not a shotgun wedding the first time around in that case? And the Downs syndrome is far more likely with an older mother. However, if this is Sarah's first child in six years, someone is using birth control for sure. If the rumor turns out to be true, it sure would

blow her candidacy!

Cheer

It is 2008 and perfectly ok if singers or dancers or high or middle school babies are pregnant so we really need to get off the cross on this one. We have to stop the press from treating either of these females like trash. Do all of you understand this is how women are thought of? If McCain had fathered a child born last April it would hardly have been the headlines for a week. Stop This!

I totally believe this story!!  She's a liar from day one!  And so is Mc Cain.  They are relying on the fact that people will trust them!  Mc Cain has been telling everyone that she sold the private jet on ebay when the real truth is she tried to sell it on ebay but some other politician sold it to a businessman for $600,000 less than it's original value.  How's that for greasing someone's palms?  Wise up, people!  Vote for Obama.  Have you admitted voting for Bush was wrong yet?  Or do you still believe that was the right choice as well? Watch the debates with an open mind and educate yourselves, please!  For the sake of America!  Any woman who has had ONE child knows that for the most part; the more children you have the faster you deliever.  So why would she hop a plane for a flight after her water broke?  Hello?  Give me a break.....

PL1FIRST, thank you for an excellent post. Anne, do not expect this story to go away. The Pandora's Box was opened by Sarah Palin herself when she offered up her own daughter's illegitimate pregnancy in a misguided, politically expedient attempt to quell the rumors in a way that would gain favor with the extremist Republican voter base. The GOP cult continues to repeat the ridiculous lies and smears about Obama and his middle name "proving" him to be a "secret Muslim" with terrorist ties - tell them to Stop it! Members of my own family believe this and are repeating it (I have disowned them of course). If you want this to stop, Anne, why not demand a definitive answer on the question, "Who are Trig Palin's biological parents?" Maybe they should go on the Montel show and settle it once and for all.  

Newsflash.  McCaine/Palin now lead Obama/Biden by 2 points!

Sarah Palin's favorabilty ratings now exceed McCains AND OBAMAS

I hope you realize that continuing to spread these rumors is not turning people away from McCain and Palin, but rather from Obama.  Multiple individuals who were previously undecided have told me that if the people spreading these rumors were typical Obama followers, they were voting for McCain!  Why do you think Obama said to LAY OFF?!?!  Now McCain is leading partially thanks to your efforts.  

I could careless who had what kid. Period.

I could careless if she cheated on her husband.

I could careless about her private life.

I could careless if she is "hot" or not.

I do care about her executive decisions, her management style, what she truly believes in and her character.  Who is running her and their motivations.  That I care a lot about.  

What I find insulting is that the campaign has stated that she will only do interviews if it is beneficial to their campaign.  If we are seriously considering this ticket, should we not know the answers to "tough" questions from this woman? (not prepared, manufactured answers to questions approved before hand?)

If I were to consider this ticket as the one I'd like to vote for, I am afraid that I need far more information than bloggers in cyberspace can provide.  

(No offense to those who are for her/against her, but it is not enough to read people insulting each other, in the end, none of us is going to be in charge and be responsible for the fate of our country and its people)

I watched her acceptance speech and told myself to keep an open mind and listen to the substance and learn about her and her skills/ability.  I knew that the speech was canned and recycled and all she could be judge on was her delivery.

Her delivery was good.  She can address an audience well.

I did not appreciate the viciousness and the smirks.  I have had enough of that from Bush and McCain and I was truly hoping for a departure, a breath of fresh air.  I did not get that.  I got bumper sticker slogans and insulting the other party.  

I had truly hoped for policy, a plan, something that would define the direction in which they wish to take us.  

I can't imagine this woman in a high profile meeting with foreign officials and representing us, the American people, with any sort of dignity.

The bottom line is:  We don't know this woman except what has been uncovered, and it is very disturbing.

As an aside:  J. McCain has not supported military benefits.  He is using his military "career" but has done nothing for our brothers and sisters who are going on their 3rd & 4th tours of Iraq.  If the surge is working so well, why are they going back so many times?

This upsets me and I don't care what political party anyone comes from because it is affecting all of us equally.

A friend of our family has a 22 yr old son going back for his 3rd term.  He was wounded on the 2nd term, now that he is healed is going back ... THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED to do their own laundry, they have to pay $80.00 per duffle bag of laundry to a CONTRACTOR.  

This young HERO stated to his dad: "I am out on the field for 2 weeks without a shower and when these clothes come back they are more stained and dirty than when they went in.  I wish they let us do our own laundry".  Add insult to injury.... the $80.00 comes out of their pocket.

Are we paying our brothers and sisters enough?  

They are not asking for much, just to do their own laundry, but the endless greed of the powers that be won't allow for something so simple, something we all take for granted.

ENOUGH!

Wishing you all PEACE and may we all live in truth and facts, (may it all start now).

Why isn't the media covering anything about her extreme views and conservative "my way or the highway" ethics, or lack thereof.  Are we going to sit by and let this happen again?  Haven't we had enough of this with the controversial firings over state attorneys general in this country during the last 8 years?  

Can anyone tell me the gender of Bristol Palin's baby?  It seems that this is one detail that has been intentionally left out. The gender of any child is easily discerned with ultrasound in the 18th week of gestation and I am sure that there would have to be more testing than simple ultrasound, given the history of Down's in the family.

Given the fact that Bristol's pregnancy was at first considered just an internet rumor before the official announcement was made, consideration to the "Babygate" theory should also be given until there is even a little concrete proof, like, perhaps, a birth certificate!

wow....who cares abt that...i don think anybody does??

Wrong buddy Bristol is the mom alright and Todd palin is the dad!  It makes more since for the need of such a cover up!  You know the Palins dont believe in abortion in the case of rape or incest!  Sarah is Country First not Family first!  Actualy she is Family/Career first!!! Protect the Husband from Jail Time Protect her daughter from embarrasment, and most importantly protect herself, her career, and cover the fact that Bristol has been acting as mom, and wife, while Sarah has been putting Career First!

Wrong buddy Bristol is the mom alright and Todd palin is the dad!  It makes more since for the need of such a cover up!  You know the Palins dont believe in abortion in the case of rape or incest!  Sarah is Country First not Family first!  Actualy she is Family/Career first!!! Protect the Husband from Jail Time Protect her daughter from embarrasment, and most importantly protect herself, her career, and cover the fact that Bristol has been acting as mom, and wife, while Sarah has been putting Career First!

Wrong buddy Bristol is the mom alright and Todd palin is the dad!  It makes more since for the need of such a cover up!  You know the Palins dont believe in abortion in the case of rape or incest!  Sarah is Country First not Family first!  Actualy she is Family/Career first!!! Protect the Husband from Jail Time Protect her daughter from embarrasment, and most importantly protect herself, her career, and cover the fact that Bristol has been acting as mom, and wife, while Sarah has been putting Career First!

Well, If Bristol had mono, who was she kissng, I mean, I had mono for 4 months, it was horrible, freshman year,I could not talk or anything!  If she did have mono, she recovered quickl AND got pregnant quickly!

To Aaron and all those calendar counters here---

It's actually quite possible for Bristol to have given birth to Trig, and then immediately get pregnant again.

I'm a mom, and want you to know that even before I delivered my first child, my doc gave me a prescription for birth control pills because of the well-documented fertility "bounce" that happens immediately after you give birth!  I'd told him I wanted to space my pregnancies if possible, and he said I'd really need to do this.

And while a natural childbirth might have left the mother's vagina sore, teenagers especially get pregnant right through their bluejeans, without any penetration.

So it is actually quite likely that Bristol is the real mother of both children--IF IN FACT SHE REALLY IS PREGNANT NOW.  Other questions, like who the father(s) is (are), is a whole different ballgame.

Who in this scenario is NOT SAYING ANYTHING?

That would be Daddy Todd, and Brother Track, who is shiping out to Iraq as soon as he can.

Satan is alive and well and loose in the world.  

Check it out, and have a laugh!

www.bayoubuzz.com/.../Sarah_Palin_John_McCain_And_Republican_Fertility__7429.asp

Watch while the new, ailing president and his babe-alicious VP make the helpful Dr. Cathy whassername the Surgeon General of the United STates.

I AM A REPUBLICAN AND A REALIST.  JUST REMEMBER AND THINK VERY CAREFULLY.  IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO MCCAIN, THIS IS THE PERSON THAT WILL BE RUNNING OUR COUNTRY.  SCARY!!

I knew it that baby couldn't have been hers..... What a liar.

I'm sorry but the pictures that folks have linked as proof that the Gov. was pregnant, I just don't see it.

Then you look at the sad face of her daughter, who must have given birth to this child, at the convention with the baby plastered to her. C'mon. This is ridiculous. That child is her daughters. She never smiled. She seemed overwhelmed. They put her in skin tight clothes as if to try to show "see she is pregnant right now!" Why didn't she wear maternity clothes? When I gave birth to my son, over three months later I still looked exactly the same as if I was still pregnant. It took about six months for my body to go more back to normal. And the daughter's breasts are so big, she looks like she's nursing HER child.

This is a breathtaking hoax being perpetrated on America to get sympathy from evangelicals and families with disabled children. Look at how it's working and then look at the utter sadness in the daughter's face at the convention.

Wake up people.

Oh come on....don't you think the people in the city Sarah Palin has served in, her friends, her neighbors, and anyone who has been in contact with her and her family would not come forward and say she was NOT pregnant, and the child is really her daughters...let's all use some common sense. Of course, Trig is her birth child.  God, whoever came up with this lame "conspiracy" theory?? Let's just stop all this nit picking and get on with the bigger picture. Will she make the best VP and possibly President of this great country or not. And I am not even a hard core Republican...but you know what?...this year I am questioning that. Slimy politics=slimy politicians. Leave the children out of it.

no way that Sarah could have NOT been pregnant and then all of a sudden given "birth" to a beautiful baby.  Get real folks - conspiricys may happen but not today with this issue. Leave the children alone. You're talking about something that should have been on Jerry Springer...she was exposed to too many folks - neighbors, friends, etc.- somebody would have already stepped forward and said something.  Also, do you think McCain and his staff are so dumb as to fall for something so insane??? And in the end, I think, and many others do also, that Sarah Palin would not hide the birth of a grandchild and try to fake it as being her own child.  God, let's focus on the real issues at hand...turn off the day time talk shows, and think about the real issues.  Leave the children of the candidates alone.

You don't hide a pregnancy. Especially if you are the Governor of a state. Some people don't show as much as others, so what.  Trig is her child.  Give her daughter a break. Give that beautiful baby a break. In the end what difference does it make. She certainly is an awesome lady. If theres a June and Ward Cleaver out there let us know - we need a family out there with no skeletons, no problems, and that eats dinner together at the table every single nigh while mom wears her apron and attends to every one elses needs. Maybe you should run for public office. Go for it. Leave the Palins alone. By the way, I have always been proud to be an American - I've been to other countries and there is NO WHERE like home. That's why we can do things like this. Democrat? Use to be....gee I just can't get over the sixth grade like slander....rethinking things....yeah, it's time for a change.

We aren't looking for the Cleavers to be Vice President.  Why would we, when McCain's wife is an admitted drug addict who stole drugs from her own "charity?"  

But to lie so blatantly, so egregiously, about so much, indicates some kind of psychological condition that may not be conducive to the Vice Presidency or the Presidency.

Do we really need more psychopaths in office?

something is wrong with the family--you can see it in Bristol's face.  You can see it in the silent woodenness of Palin's husband, the absence of her son.

Something is wrong.

Would people talk?  I think they know that if they did, they'd either lose the goose that lays so many golden eggs for them, or else be risking their lives, frankly.  with so much at stake in presidential politics--and McCain has waited HIS WHOLE LIFE to run this one race--they'd have good reason to be frightened, and keep silent.

Sarah Palin is NOT "awesome."  She's SCARY.

Go to this link for the breaking news on the REAL Sarah Palin, preggers Bristol, and pitiful Track.

www.nationalenquirer.com/.../65407

holy shit you people ar pathetic. why dont you just focus on your own, clearly messed up lives and shut the fuck up? like really. do something productive with your lives.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are not ready to Lead.

They will just blindly follow the same course set by the Bush/Cheney regime which has brought us to the brink of catastrophe. If McCain wins in November be assured that he and Palin will continue the same failed economic policies, accelerate the same disastrous foreign policies and inspire even more extreme and divisive social policies as those their party leaders have had us locked into for nearly a decade.

McCain & Palin: ready to play politics. Ready to drive this great country into the ground. But NOT ready to lead.

99%of you people are a joke. said:

"holy shit you people ar pathetic. why dont you just focus on your own, clearly messed up lives and shut the fuck up? like really. do something productive with your lives."

We are doing something productive, but Sarah have such as mess up life that it makes us feel really blessed that our lives are not as unproductive as hers is.

What a modern day American story the National Enquirer is going to talk about next! lol

I cannot believe that you folks think that the National Enquirer is a reputable news source!  Next, you'll be saying that Elvis is the baby's real father.  How pathetic.

I would love for this to be a real story, I really hope the first DUDE is the father, lets end this republican pawn now,

When I was pregnant my Dr told me not to go more than an hour away during the last 4 weeks, and During the entire last trimester he told me not to fly. I had a healthy pregnancy.

Hey, 99%!

Why tell us to "shut up?"  

We have a constitutional right to discuss politics, and that includes the personal lives of politicians, especially when THAT SAME POLITICIAN brings the topic of her family up in a national speech!

You are UNAMERICAN, 99%.  Shame on you!

And shame on Sarah Palin for threatening to sue newspapers who are reporting the truth.

Do we Americans really need another 4-8 years of totalitarian rule in our nation's highest office?

make American a Palin-Free Zone.  Except for Alaska, of course!  They can keep the wacko they love so much.

you people should be dragged in front of a firing squad and shot for these comments. Get off your computer and get a life!!!! You are the most hateful low lives I have ever come accross. Nasty things will come your way for saying such nasty things. Go look at your own liives and your families. I'm sure that you have some nasty family things going on that you should be attending to. Her family no matter what goes on in it should be left out of it and focus on the issues of the election. Which I'm sure that you people have no idea what they are!!!!

oops, I left out Virginia and the sacred ground of New Jersey.  Trenton.  Maybe you've heard of it.

How  interesting!  Tracey threatens death to whoever dares say that the emperor has no clothes.

My family died in battles so that we could speak up, and speak out.  shame on you and your ilk for threatening me.

I'm Dylan Kolvig's mom and I know he's not the father of Bristol's baby. You people are wacked.

Have you seen the latest Palin Paraphernalia??

http://www.trishwilliford.com/

Mommy Keitha,

Are you sure about Dylan?  News says Bristol and Levi broke up lots of times, and ran around with others.  So...could it be?

Just face it bristol is having a black baby and yall r gonna feel like idiots when the baby is born and its black

We will see if Bristol "all of a sudden" loses this baby she supposedly is pregnant with.  That will answer all the questions.  I think Trig is Bristols child.  Everytime you see her she is holding him.  I saw the pictures of Bristol at the RNC and she looks more like she has baby fat and not pregnancy.

Maybe McCain is the babies daddy? You know they are Northerners. Okay lets be real, I think baby Trig is Bristols' because if you look at the way Todd hold him, he doesn't hold him as though he belongs to him.

I am so glad to see there are others out there that are hip to this lie. Hey people make mistakes but the worst is to lie about them including a cover up that brings in the families of the poor boy who had sex with her. I wonder how his parents feel?

There is no way that Bristol Palin is Trig's mother.  Just the fact that her stomach is a little heavy in this picture does not mean that she's pregnant!  Girls carry weight there, as well as in their hips and thighs and butt; Bristol is just a little plump.  You can tell from the general build of her body, and if you've seen any of the RNC stuff, Willow - at 13 - is not a slight girl either.  It's just their genetic build.  

That aside, there are several pictures online that clearly show that Sarah Palin was, in fact, pregnant with Trig.  The one in her interview above clearly shows her from an almost dead-on angle, in a windbreaker that could easily disguise a baby bump.  Likely, Palin would prefer for there to be few pictures of her pregnant and would be situated to photograh in the most flattering light to disguise her pregnancy.  She wouldn't want to be thought of by the people of Alaska as a mother and woman, but rather as a competent governor; competence in politics leaves sex out of it.

There have been rumors that Sarah Palin posed for Vogue for the December 2007 issue and looked un-pregnant.  Given, she probably posed for that several months before the magazine went to print, probably before she had even BECOME pregnant.

Finally, there's the fact that Trig has Down's Syndrome.  Down's Syndrome is highly linked to increased age in the parents.  Older men, especially, have a higher risk of having children with Down's Syndrome.  So unless Bristol was fooling around with an older man, got pregnant, had her mother gain weight to playact at being pregnant, secretly gave birth to a child that her mother passed off as her own, and then, within a month, got pregnant again by a 17-year-old, it is impossible that Trig is anyone's son besides Sarah Palin.

Give it up.  The Democrats are scared and Palin has tipped the scales for the Republicans.  This sort of ridiculous smear campaign is frankly sick and stupid.  

You've got to be kidding me!!  Talk about grasping for straws.  I feel so bad for this family having to deal with gossip and sleezy articles like this.  Are you the same freaks that hijacked her email account? Seriously get a life.  Bristol Palin is clearly several months pregnant.  Being young and having her first baby, if her little brother were in fact her own baby, she so would have lost most of the weight by now.  She is clearly pregnant, and that is clearly not old baby weight she is carrying.  And as far as the pic of Sarah supposedly at 7 months, where is the proof of when that was taken?  You gave no date, no article linking the date.  And secondly, even if it is accurate, she is wearing a loose fitting suit and has her arms and hands in front of her belly area so how in the world can you even analyze it.  You must have alot of sad lonely time on your hands!

Here's the thing folks... WHY oh WHY hasn't this been investigated by the left-leaning media and exposed for what it is ? I have literally called or written 100 media outlets trying to get interest in the story - and there isn't any.  It is SO FREAKING OBVIOUS to me that the reason Sarah Palin had to fly back to Alaska to have the baby... was because THAT IS WHERE THE BABY WAS....dangling from her nympho daughter's crotch.  The only way she could have had it in Texas would have been to travel with her daughter to Texas.

SARAH PALIN IS A LYING, VINDICTIVE, SUB-PAR INTELLIGENCE FRAUD.  She's a younger, female George Bush on so many levels. Stupid, gutterally sure of herself completely without cause, pentacostal extremist...  Except... Bush is at least loyal to the people who helped him achieve power.  On that score, Sarah Palin is a traitor by comparison.  Somehow... thinking Republicans and Democrats alike have to take this ticket out of contention.  The very fact that John McCain would select her, completely unvetted, on the basis of a 15 minute cell phone conversation is a complete insult to the American public and to the presidency.  We spend far more time reviewing and interviewing Jr.level employees.  It is an absolute travesty that this ticket is allowed to go forward. AMERIKA - WAKE THE F UP .

As John Lennon said... "A pretty face may last a year or two... but pretty soon they'll see what you can do... "

I cannot believe that this story has disappeared from the media ... why is Sarah not being pressured to give us verifiable evidence on this?  

-- Sarah does not look pregnant in any of the photos published with actual dates before her announcement at seven months

-- the Alaska newspaper reported at the time of the announcement that nobody, not even her own staff, believed that she was pregnant

-- Bristol disappeared from sight from the fifth month of the pregnancy until after the baby is born

-- Sarah has to scramble on a 10-hour flight to get back to Alaska, while in she is in labor?  or to attend the birth of her grandchild?

-- Bristol's boyfriend's sister is at the hospital - why was she there? to be at the birth of her brother's child?

Why is all this important?  One simple reason: if this has been a cover-up, Sarah needs to come forward and tell us the truth, and then let the voters decide based on ALL the facts.  It may be that many voters will say, "I don't care that she has been lying about this for many months, I'm voting for her anyway."  But many voters would also vote against her if this is a cover-up.

Either way, there are too many questions here. The Palin campaign's continuing refusal to provide actual, verifiable evidence (not simply the unverfied length of Bristol's current pregnancy) is just raising additional questions.

Check this out.  Newsweek interview, not once does Sarah mention her pregnancy, given "a few weeks before the birth", about 7.5 months pregnant, legs-crossed.

www.newsweek.com/.../156190

This pic is much better than the 6 mo. pic, AP Photo taken one week after Sarah announced she was 7 months.

www.daylife.com/.../0fcQ5EM7gafd9

notice arms, waist, belt.

Keep this story alive!

and if you think the Baby Bump photo above was taken in 2006, check out the family at inauguration, Nov 2006

govserv.state.ak.us/.../pict0210.jpg

If someone really looks at the facts, they will see that Sarah Palin's newest addition could not be the son of her oldest daughter. On September 1st, Palin announced that her daughter was 5 months pregnant. Trig was born in late April, meaning that if Bristol is 5 months pregnant now, she must have gotten pregnant in late April, early May. Do you honestly think that the governor would have kept the first pregnancy under wraps, yet she announces this pregnancy?

Give the women a break, the odds of a teenager having a child with down syndrome is very unlikely.

McCain himself said was way too inexperienced to be President.

Pamela Anderson, “She can suck it”..

This is an important and serious question.  Here's a website that's trying to collect all this information in one place:

<a href="www.geocities.com/.../index.html Is Trig's Mother?</a>

u stink sarah palin! we all no its ur BABY. GO AND FALL IN A FREAKIN DITCH!

I read an article dated April 22nd,Sarah Palin claims the baby was born April 18, 2008, at Mat-Su Regional Hospital.  I thought it odd that the Doctor who claimed to deliver the baby  only referred to Sarah Palin, as "Palin".  I decided to go to the Mat-Su Regional Hospital website.  This Hospital has an "on line baby nursery".  All births are listed publicly, along with the parents.   There was no baby born to Sarah Palin, in April.  In fact, there was no baby born the entire year to a "Palin" of any kind.  No wonder they want to Press to stay off this subject.  I went back and read the article, just to confirm that the Doctor never referred to Sarah Palin, as "Sarah".  I believe, just in case this is found out, the Doctor can say, "Well I never said I delivered a baby to "Sarah", I said "Palin".   Anyone doubting that this woman, is raising her daughter's child as her own, go to Mat-Su Regional Hospital to the "online nursery".  You won't find any baby with the last name "Palin" or birth to a mother "Sarah Palin".   This lady has alot of secrets.  She may simply be embarrassed that her daughter turned around and became pregnant again, so suddenly.  I also read an article that stated Bristol was out alot during the school year.   I have had 3 children, and I can tell you that in this photo, it is very likely that Bristol was also Pregant December 2007. Young girls, can have a pregnant bump at 5 months.  That's what it looks like to me.

Yes, I believe she is a liar; but she is also a mother bear protecting her cubs.  I am not going to vote for her anyway; so I do not care if the baby is hers or her daughter's.

Yes, I believe she is a liar; but she is also a mother bear protecting her cubs.  I am not going to vote for her anyway; so I do not care if the baby is hers or her daughter's.

nise sex famoily

who knows and who even cares if her daughter is "pregnant" or if it is sarah that is "pregnant"??

this proves sarah palin is not a very good mother. obvioulsy the kids are not whom we think they are. They cover up. Way to go mother. now watch when her little ones become pregnant at 15!