Angelina Wants A Home Birth?

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dina — Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:14 GMT

karen - that's a hilarious image!

but why so defensive? nobody said doody about 'less of a mother' and i didn't see any blatant one-up-mama-ship - maybe wires crossed with some other conversation?

there are physiological differences in the birthing process under different birthing conditions. it's not about superiority and it's not something you can argue away. if you've done both, you've felt the difference. if you haven't... fine! but don't assume than anyone who has, and tells you about it, is trying to make you feel bad.

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angie — Tue, 27 May 2008 18:42:26 GMT

oh, i forgot - here is the link to the memo ;)

www.marsdenwagner.com/fish.html

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angie — Tue, 27 May 2008 18:40:56 GMT

you have a super day too!

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Sassy Smith — Tue, 27 May 2008 18:20:55 GMT

I must have missed the memo on that - I don't remember one freakin' thing from my birth. Oh,forgot my mother had me in a hospital. I must go call my therapist now. (Okay, seriously, if you guys don't know that I'm being sarcastic, then I give up). Have a super day and if anyone here is preggo, good luck no matter what you decide to do. It's important either way!

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angie — Tue, 27 May 2008 18:15:00 GMT

karen you give up quite easily *shrug*

i believe that we, as a society, have forgotten how important our birth experiences are to us as women and as babies - birth creates imprints in us as women and a baby's birth creates its first impressions of the world

here is a quote from Marsden Wagner that i love:

“By medicalizing birth, i.e. separating a woman from her own environment and surrounding her with strange people using strange machines to do strange things to her in an effort to assist her, the woman’s state of mind and body is so altered that her way of carrying through this intimate act must also be altered and the state of the baby born must equally be altered. The result is that it is no longer possible to know what births would have been like before these manipulations. Most health care providers no longer know what “non-medicalized birth is. The entire modern obstetric and neonatological literature is essentially based on observations of “medicalized” birth.“

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Karen — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:40:11 GMT

*throws up hands*

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mamacakes — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:32:27 GMT

there is scientific evidence that the hormonal releases during birth are inhibited w/ any sort of medical intervention - ie. an epidural, pitocin, stadol, what have you.

you are giving birth naturally when you allow the process of birth to occur naturally. this is not an opinion - it is evidence based truth.

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mama — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:31:29 GMT

Karen Sugarpants, that's proposterous, everyone knows babeis are delivered by surgery these days, not noses. ;)

Sassy no ones dissin ya, their just stating facts

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Sassy Smith — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:22:57 GMT

For the record, I've never had an epidural. EVER. And I experienced a lot of things during all 4 pregnancies and births, both physically and psychologically, including having a one child die shortly after being born. Please don't preach to me about promoting attachment. I was attached to all of my children despite them having being born in the hospital. I'm not knocking homebirths for those who want them, more power to you but don't knock me for having had my children in a hospital and implying I'm somehow less attached to my birthing experiences than you.

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Karen — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:20:30 GMT

Uh oh Sassy - you've stepped in it now!

Well I gave birth to both of my kids while squatting and biting down on a tree trunk - and each kid came out of my nostrils simultaneously. TOP THAT!

(See how ridiculous this sounds?) Who cares? You're no less of a mother whether you gave birth through your vagina or an incision, drugs or not. Get over yourselves.

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mamasita — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:13:37 GMT

natural birth is one w/ out intervention and/or medications. it is allowing the natural process of birth to occur - for both the mother and the baby - a natural birth is full of much needed hormones and the like to promote attachment, as anarchist mentioned.

not one where meds wore off in time to push.

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angie — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:08:54 GMT

very nicely said anarchist - it totally agree!

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angie — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:07:41 GMT

mamadoula i will give you a medal . . . you deserve it!

you are right there is no comparison - my first was born at the hospital and my second was born at home - it was like night and day :)

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anarchist — Tue, 27 May 2008 16:57:25 GMT

Sassy Smith, mamadoula is right on, actually. It's not less important that you've experienced birth at all, but physiologically speaking, there is a huge difference between giving birth uninhibited and without medications or interventions and having an epidural wear off. It's not a matter of being better than another, it's about optimizing the conditions surrounding birth in order to improve the outcome of initial attachment. This is science, not science fiction.

Thank god for medical intervention when it is necessary. In most cases, however, interventions beget interventions and doctors and hospitals cause the problems they're there to solve.

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Sassy Smith — Tue, 27 May 2008 16:46:22 GMT

Oh so mamadoula, the fact that I've given birth 4 times, is less important than someone else giving birth? Please. Any birth is a NATURAL birth. My experience is what it is, as is yours and every other woman on the planet who's had a kid. I HAVE had a natural birth - having a baby come out of your vagina (or c-section moms too!) is NATURAL any way you cut it (no pun).

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Karen — Tue, 27 May 2008 16:45:34 GMT

Want a medal Mamadoula? Get off your frigging pedestal.

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mamadoula — Tue, 27 May 2008 15:50:32 GMT

Sorry, Sassy Smith, but even that is not a true natural birth. Homebirth is just a completely different mindset than being in the hospital, and even than being in the hospital without drugs. I've had a hospital induction which ended in a c/s and 2 home VBAC's, due for #3 vbac in a few months. There is absolutely no comparison.

Although, I despise Angelina, I hope she gets her ideal birth!

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Sassy Smith — Sun, 11 May 2008 19:54:31 GMT

niallsmama, you're wrong actually. No, I've never had a home birth but with the birth of my second daughter, although I had drugs when I was induced, they had worn off by the time I was ready to push and the nurses wouldn't administer any more. So yes, I HAVE experienced natural childbirth - when it came to the contractions, urge to push and pushing my baby out.

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ariana — Sun, 11 May 2008 19:25:23 GMT

sassy smith thats becasue you never tried natural birth

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Sassy Smith — Sun, 11 May 2008 04:51:17 GMT

niallsmama, seeing as I have four kids, and hubby got fixed, no more babies for me, lol! And even if I were to have more kids (not happening), I'd still opt for a hospital birth, that's just me.

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niallsmama — Sun, 11 May 2008 04:44:40 GMT

Sassy Smith, don't knock it before you try it. I'v gone both routes, and would never do it in the hospital-with drugs-again. The pain is part of the process, it's to be embraced, not pushed away. It will empower you and enrich your life without doubt. But honestly, I understand where you come from because I used to think like you, until I read some really informative and logical books. Given the right information all women will come to the conclusion that home birth is a viable, and even desirable alternative.

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LogicalMama — Tue, 06 May 2008 01:23:54 GMT

here here, Carlie..... I agree. I went drug free and within seconds of my son being born looked at my husband (after 50 hours of labor and 30 minutes of pushing!) and said, "that wasn't so bad!!"

I'm pulling for you on your wishes for a homebirth!!

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carlie — Mon, 05 May 2008 21:47:29 GMT

she is so not having twins...that is a singleton belly. I have seen multiple bellies and that is a far cry from it.

I also hardly call having a team of "professional" i.e a doctor...a true homebirth. Don't get me wrong I don't blame her for wanting a private home birth. I had my first son in a home of a midwife birth center and my daughter at home in my own bed and this one if all goes well we be born in our home also. But really flying in a team for your birth is basically like flying the hospital staff into your home...ahhh the joys of having endles cash...lol More power to her...I think having babies in hospitals is to medicalized anyway. And VBAC's are no big deal either, I don't get why the big fuss. You aren't going to rip open at the seams like so many woman have been programmed to think. Go A.J. I hope that baby goes head down and all is easy pezzy! Just remmeber the pain is only a moment in your life and then bam it is gone as soon as that baby is out (that is if your are going drug free).

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LogicalMama — Mon, 05 May 2008 20:19:07 GMT

I still don't believe she's having twins. Looks like a singleton to me.

Also, I do believe that a midwife would be willing to attempt a VBAC of a singleton and/or twins, but I don't think a medical doctor would attempt it at all, especially outside of a medical facility.

Can you really call a birth with a "team" of doctors a 'home birth,' even if it's at home? I mean, more than likely, they'll be IV's and electrical monitors, ect.... wouldn't that be considered more of the atmosphere of a hospital or a birth center rather than a home?

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chyna823 — Mon, 05 May 2008 19:29:57 GMT

I like that we can see the elastic of Angie's bid ol' maternity undies through her tight dress. "The stars are just like us!" ;)