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A vulnerable mom plus a wildly unethical doctor = eight at-risk babies

Reports are now emerging about the circumstances of the new mom of California octuplets. She is apparently a 33 year old, low-income, single mama living in a two-bedroom house with her parents and her other six children, all of whom were conceived via assisted reproduction - otherwise known as fertility treatments.

 

If news reports are accurate, the eight NEW babies were also conceived via some sort of fertility treatment. She is apparently able to afford the treatment because she works at an fertility clinic (all the women who work at my daughter’s orthodontist’s office have beautiful teeth… because they work for an ortho. It’s clearly a job benefit.)

 

Although most people think of IVF when they hear about higher-order multiples (quads, quints, etc), in fact most of the "supertwins" born today are actually conceived as the result of fertility drug stimulation - without appropriate monitoring during the woman's cycle.. For example, the Gosselin sextuplets ("Jon and Kate Plus Eight") were the result of fertility drugs. IVF actually reduces the risk of these dangerous higher order births because you can’t give birth to more babies than are implanted. So if three embryos are implanted, you cannot have more than three babies, but you are far more likely to have only one or two babies.(NOTE: there are cases where one fertilized egg splits into two after the procedure, but this is pretty unusual.) Twin or triplet pregnancies certainly carry some risks for mother and babies, but they aren't even in the same stratosphere as the issues presented when a woman carries four or more babies.

 

So if this woman had the octuplets via IVF, it means some mad scientist - and that’s a mild way of putting it - implanted far too many embryos. This is beyond unethical under any circumstance. If she had them via fertility drugs, it means the doctor wasn’t monitoring her carefully enough, because no good doctor would proceed with treatment for that month if he/she saw that multiples of eggs were ready to go. That month’s treatment cycle would be canceled. Either way, the doctor should be ashamed.

 

Ths sad thing is that this psychologically vulnerable patient (read the articles to which I link in the first line above; her own mother says she has notable mental health problems) was able to connect with a one-in-a-million crazy doctor, and get him/her to conduct this experiment on her body, creating eight medically fragile human beings. It was the perfect storm of unethical medical care.

 

I believe strongly that women themselves should decide how many children they have - or don’t have. I myself am the mother of four children - and I would very much like to have a fifth. To many people, that is simply Too Many Kids (and they don't mind telling me that). But as I've written before, I believe reproductive freedom goes both ways, both in the choice NOT to bear a child and in the choice to bear more than the statistically acceptable number of children. That is a personal choice. And there are certainly many families with more than 10 children who are happy, loving and stable. However, the circumstances in this case appear to point to a woman who is already unable to care for the large family she has, and who will now have eight more young children, many or most of whom will have special needs, because higher order multiples are often born with serious health and developmental problems.

 

Sadly, this story also makes the whole field of assisted reproduction look bad, which is unfortunate, since this case is as much of an outlier in the way reputable fertility treatment is conducted as if a transplant phsyician had decided to graft an extra arm onto one of his patients. It’s THAT “out there.” Most fertility doctors are highly ethical, caring people who love their work helping healthy families have healthy babies.

 

But yeah, now this woman has 14 children under the age of six, and given the bad PR she is now getting, NO ONE is going to help her. There will be no reality TV show. There won’t even be any free diapers or formula. I cannot even imagine how horribly this situation is going to end for the children or their mother. I hope this doctor is identified and held accountable via peer review for what he/she has done. It’s evil.

 

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Comments

 

EG said:

Yeah, before the grandma came out with the info she's provided I saw a fertility expert on The Today Show who said it almost had to be ovulation stimulation drugs, because no ethical doctor would implant 8 embryos in IVF.  But from the grandma it sounds like it was IVF.

I guess if you keep looking eventually you'll be able to find an unethical doctor, but it's a real shame she wasn't given a psychiatrist referral insted of fertility treatments.

I wish the best for those kids.  And like you, I hope that doctor is found and outed.

February 1, 2009 10:58 AM
 

Cora said:

I agree with your statement that people should be allowed to have as many children as they want, but it should be for the right reasons and under circumstances where the children are going to be well prepared for and cared for. This is not one of those times. That doctor should be outed for not only going way too far on the number of embryos, but for doing it at all considering the situation. If this woman wanted attention, she sure got it, but I think it is beyond ridiculous for a woman with 6 children already and in her circumstances to have even thought to do this at all.

It isn't fair to her parents or to the taxpayers who are going to have to help her the rest of these children's lives.

February 1, 2009 11:35 AM
 

Dianne said:

I also agree that people should be allowed to have as many childre as they want, but only if they can afford to take care of them and raise them on their own - hard working tax payers should not have to foot the bill - this is ethically and morally wrong.  If this mother loves children so much why not get a job working in day care or a teacher.  The doctor should definitely be outed and never allowed to practice again.

February 1, 2009 12:20 PM
 

Mommy said it said:

DIANNE: I agree with you completely.

I will add that there are MANY women who bask in the attention that pregnancy brings. And the "Uber-attention" that bearing multiples brings. She is one of them. But obviously a mentally unstable individual.

I worry so very very very much for those children. What will become of that? Who will see to their emotional, physical, etc. needs? And I am particularly concerned that they will end up in foster care. I have yet to meet or read about a person who came out of foster care feeling that he/she had a great life.

February 1, 2009 2:54 PM
 

Audrey said:

This mother is as much at fault as her clearly unethical doctor. This is a person who willingly put her own life, AND the lives of her 8 fetuses, at risk knowing that if something was to happen to her she would leave 6 children completely parentless. It's dangerous territory to tell someone that they shouldn't be able to have more children - obviously this goes against the idea of a woman's right to choose. However, there should always be limits. Personally, I think that we should make it much, much more difficult for women to get fertility treatment. People who would like to use IVF should get the same sort of thorough background check that those seeking to adopt receive. If that was mandatory, then certainly this tragedy wouldn't have occurred.

February 1, 2009 5:48 PM
 

bill said:

You are right on having as many as YOU want.  We would just cut off GOVERNMENT support after 3.  No deductions, no EITC, to WIC, na da.

They YOU can perform all the births YOU can afford.  As long as WE dont have to support them.

And no college loans for more than 3 to family.

February 1, 2009 10:18 PM
 

Brandy said:

I in no way shape or form agree with IVF anyway...I believe that if God intended for this woman to have children she would not have damaged tubes...Just a thought...You are right...She is seeking attention and boy is she getting it...Just not the kind she hoped...So glad I am not a California resident forced to foot the bill for these precious children...Even Superwoman could not give them all the attention they deserve...I have 3 boys of my own and am also raising my 2 neices...so that is 5 kids 11,11,8,7,4...I can barely cope and I have a loving husband who not only supports me, but helps me along with working to support us so I can stay at home with them all...I sincerely hope the proper authorities step in and make sure these precious children are not neglected...Especially the six older ones who will surely be pushed aside now that there are 8 others to steal the lime light...Sad, sad, sad...

February 1, 2009 11:28 PM
 

Jan said:

The mother is clearly unstable and the Dept. of Human Services should assign a caseworker to her immediately.  As she becomes more and more overwhelmed, I believe someone like her has the potential to harm the children.

February 1, 2009 11:43 PM
 

Doug said:

I feel no pity for this woman, but do for her children.  And her physician(s) should lose his/her medical license for malpractice.

February 2, 2009 8:14 AM
 

adrian said:

I totally agree with everyone.  I heard that she wants $2 million to be on Oprah!  I think she did this for attention, and the doctor should have his/her license revoked.  And i agree with bill especially about having a limit to welfare and all that.  Also, i think that all those companies that usually step in and give free diapers or formula or baby food for a year or whatever should skip this obviously undeserving mother.  Come on, she had 6 kids already, had filed for bankruptcy, living with her parents in a 2 bedroom house, unemployed... is this the new "get-rich-quick" scheme?  And the sad part is, she just might.  But believe me,  I will NOT watch that reality show.

February 2, 2009 8:37 AM
 

anonymous said:

A sad situation all around.  I disagree with the line of logic "I believe that if God intended for this woman to have children she would not have damaged tubes..."

Well then I hope you don't go to the hospital or a doctor and get help with illnesses or if you are in a car accident.  Afterall, if God intends for you to get better, you will.  Same logic you used.  I doubt God is anti-technology.  God gave us the ability to create the technology, right?  As for the argument that it's not natural, neither are the environmental pollutants that cause infertility in so many people today.  

Cutoff all support after 3 kids?  What about the extra surprise kid after you thought you were done?  Sheesh, what about blended families?  (I'm sorry kids, I can't marry him because if I do, you won't have any funding for college.  He has two kids and so do I, so one of you wouldn't be able to go!)  That also punishes the child for their parent's actions.  Which I personally don't think are horrible actions to begin with.  What if you can afford the kids when you have them but fall on hard luck or are in an accident, etc.?  No support for you!  You have more than 3 kids!!  

Re: Adrian's comment: regardless of the woman's motivation for getting pregnant again, to say no one should give her free diapers or help......wow.  This is an extrordinary situation.  No one expects 8 babies to be born,can you imagine how many diapers and wipes would be gone through in just a week?  Ignore her, to not help would hurt both the helpless infants and her older children.  What an attitude.  (BTW, the article I read had the grandmother saying her daughter only wanted ONE more child....it was not her intention to have a bunch of babies for publicity or to get free stuff as people keep suggesting)  And for the record I have never used any fertiltiy treatment (but have nothing against it).  LOL.  Just amazed at the judgemental attitudes.  

February 2, 2009 9:30 AM
 

Marie Eve said:

Sad, sad, sad...

I completely agree with you: I would personally never have 4 or 5 kids, but think you're doing a wonderful job and your situation could not be farther from this train wreck of a story. I'm just really sorry for those kids.

February 2, 2009 9:51 AM
 

AngryReptileKeeper said:

I daresay this woman should have most (if not all) of her children taken away from her. Who does she think she is, to put this burden on the taxpayers? If she's low-income, she obviously cannot afford them. All of the kids will suffer. Now they won't even have a childhood to speak of, because they'll be too busy raising their siblings.

I think the mother is in dire need of some serious psychiatric help. What a horrible, selfish person.

And what of her 'doctors'? Why in the HELL did they go along with this?

The irresponsibility of this whole situation boggles the mind.

This woman disgusts me. The people who enabled her disgust me. I feel very sorry for all of those children, and the taxpayers whose money will have to help support them.

We desperately need laws in this country to keep things like this from happening.

February 2, 2009 10:28 AM
 

alex said:

I think that in this discussion the benefit that children bring to society at large is being forgotten (by many of you: bill, Angry reptile keeper, adrian...).  Presuming that one can raise 5 or 14 children to be productive members of society, who will pax taxes and give back to the system, why should we not support them financially.  It isn't this woman who will suffer if we don't but these children, who without good support are so much more likely to grow up and continue to be a drain on the system.  

February 2, 2009 11:17 AM
 

Cheri said:

I have to disagree with the majority that this woman should not have help.  Why make the kids suffer?  It's not their fault, and if welfare and charity is what it takes for them to have their necessities growing up, then why not?  Like Alex said, without good support, they are more likely to be a drain on our system in the future.

I agree with Audrey...there should be some requirements before allowing IVF.  Something like, show proof from your local DHS that you aren't drawing welfare or that you cumulatively haven't drawn it for longer than X period of time.  And more than anything, I think there should be reforms in how welfare is distributed.  If, as a country, we better handle our funds, we'll have more to give.

February 2, 2009 12:04 PM
 

Heather said:

INFORMED consent?  Doubtful in this case.  Every woman has a right to make an INFORMED decision about whether to bear a child and how many.  

February 2, 2009 3:01 PM
 

Jane said:

There should be more that goes into the decision of having more children other than she "loves children", has "dreamed of being a mother since she was a teenager", and is allegedly a "great mother".  So what if she has a college degree?  Does that make her more credible?  I consider myself a great mother, but am hesitant to bring a second child into this world until I've completed my Master's degree....It's difficult enough to parent one or two children in this world and teach them to become contributing and upstanding citizens.  Life will be tough for the mother, but even more so for these children who have already started out with two strikes against them (no thanks to their mother).

And yes, the doctor was completely wrong for allowing this to happen, but why does it seem that no one is held accountable for their own health decisions in this country?

February 2, 2009 4:30 PM
 

Kali said:

You can have as many kids as you want, HOWEVER, don't have any kids if you think the whole world "has" to help you.

Have a 100 kids, just don't expect everyone to jump and take care of them for you, that's your job. I would love 14 kids, I CAN'T take care of them! So I don't have 14 kids, it's really simple.

February 2, 2009 7:53 PM
 

Lauren said:

Its fair enough to say that the woman is in need of some psychiatric evaluation and help.  Her mother was quoted saying her daughter was obsessed with having children.  With that said, its sad but I agree with another person who posted a comment that the children should be taken away.  I think that separating the children and giving them to loving families that desperately want a child and have the resources to raise that child would give them the best chance at having a normal life. (2 bedrooms & 17 people in a probably 800 square foot home, come on!)

February 2, 2009 8:02 PM
 

Jean Sweet said:

Many children have been raised in 2 bedroom homes who turn out to be viable adults. It's not about the numbers people, it's about the time(not quality-real time)you devote to them.  Money doesn't replace space and oatmeal is cheap.  When this many adults spend this much time judging others, its obvious they aren't spending it with their own children.  Too many kids tucking themselves in their own beds w/tons of entertainment instead of parents who devote time to them.  If she had killed off 4 of them this wouldn't have even made national news.  Leave the babies alone until she actually breaks the law!

February 2, 2009 10:44 PM
 

Jack said:

Something that barely gets mentioned in the discussion about these octuplets is that this woman did this because she could.  That is, IVF was a part of the benefits in her HMO plan.  This is one of the reasons healthcare is so expensive.  Since when is IVF critical to one's health?  When did it become a 'right' to be able to bear a child, even if you can't naturally?  I have no problem with IVF, but I think it should be paid for out of pocket.  If this woman had to choose between food,clothing and shelter for her six kids or IVF, there wouldn't be a story.

February 3, 2009 9:13 AM
 

anon said:

Excuse me, but holy sh*t - the judgment is absolutely FLYING around in these comments.  I'm going to assume (and really, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that NONE of the commenters so far know this woman or anyone associated with her.  Yes, her mother is talking to the press and yes, the mother has said that the woman is 'obsessed with having children'.  That does NOT equal mental illness people - her mother is not a psychiatrist.

I agree that doctors need to be held to high ethical standards and that THAT is what needs to be PUBLICLY examined here - NOT this woman's mental health.  Her mental health is her business and her doctor's business, PERIOD.

And the assumptions that she is unable to love these children?  I'm not an idiot, I understand the financial implications and demands that having 14 kids brings - but again, that does not equal automatically being unable to care for them.

As for the concept of her just wanting the attention that comes along with being pregnant I mean...again, I'm not saying that's not possibly what's going on here, but WE DON'T KNOW.  We don't.  Period.  We don't.  And I just can't believe the stuff I'm reading and hearing from people who feel it's their right to weigh in on this person's state of mind, mental health, capacity as a parent, etc.  

Of COURSE we should look out for each other and we should hold doctors to high ethical standards.  Of COURSE we shoudl look out for the best interest of children and if they are in abusive/unhealthy situations we should remove them from those situations immediately.  But otherwise, I'm sorry, it's nobody's business.  Jeez.  Sorry, I don't mean to fly off the handle and I really DO understand the strong reaction that's come from this, but I continue to be shocked and saddened by the judgment, hatred, and disdain being casually tossed around by people who have absolutely NO connection to this whatsoever (and please don't feed me lines about 'it's our taxpayers' money that's going to pay for these kids' - taxpayer money pays for a whole hell of a lot more than this woman's 14 kids and people are pretty complacent about THAT).

February 4, 2009 8:36 AM
 

Richard Denning said:

I was raised in a family with thirteen siblings.  I would never ever have more than a couple of children.  It is impossible for two parents to give sufficient attention to that many children.  Having more is either selfish or irresponsible.  There are nearly seven billion people in the world.  Climate change is now unavoidable and will have a severe impact on agriculture around the world.  We have stretched our resources beyond the breaking point.  If you want to have more children it is your choice, but you must consider all the consequences or your decision.

While it is a choice one is free to make, no right is absolute.  In many states if a child is born with cocaine in its system it is removed from the family.  Sometimes this happens if the substance is just marijuana.  The reason is that the child is assumed to be at risk.  This woman worked in a fertility clinic.  She had to know the risks to her children.  She put them at risk by proceeding as she did.  They will continue to be at risk when they return home.  It is unlikely this woman will be able to to feed, house and support them without assistance.  This should be a CHINS case.

A problem we all have is one of personal responsibility.  We all need to grow up.  John and Kate Plus Eight and similar programs encourage people like this woman to have multiples.  She has indicated a desire to have her own reality show.  John and Kate are free to do what they do but it is irresponsible.  Yet we watch it anyway.

February 4, 2009 9:50 AM
 

mom of more than 1 or 2 said:

i would be very cautious about saying things that put criteria on moms and how many babies they can choose to have.  who exactly would determine what is enough money, attention, stability etc. to raise a child? whilst this particular situation may not be the greatest...seems everyone agrees it was/is a true anomaly.  let's treat it as such, and not spend too much time worrying about regulating how many children one can "properly," whatever that means, raise.

February 4, 2009 12:17 PM
 

brandon said:

I do not beleive that it is unethical to have 8 children at once. It is highly dangerouse yes. But not unethical. She went in, she took the risk she knew that, however slight, she could have as many babies that were implanted. Now I do not know if she was informed of the 8 egg's that were implanted, but all the doctor did was what he was asked to do.

I do not think that we should punish her and the doctor for something that is not under her or his controll. You people are trying to say that they could have changed the statistics of this birth. THEY CANT! to change the statistic of a birth or anything on this planet for that matter, you have to be inside of it activly altering it to change the outcome. So as far as I know their is no possible way to be inside the mother and alter how many babies she has. unless you can figure out a way to make a chemical abortion that kills only a few of the fetuses.

Do not judge her or him for something that is not either of their faults.

February 5, 2009 12:56 PM
 

RoseRider said:

IF YOU CAN'T FEED 'EM - DON'T BREED 'EM!!!!

Mother and doctor unethical - doctor should be thrown out of the medical care establishment!

AND BRANDON: Read the story again---they were in control of the number 8!

February 5, 2009 5:06 PM
 

anon said:

RoseRider,

If an expectant mother has some kind of condition which will definitely prevent her from breastfeeding, should she not...ahem...breed?

Or maybe you meant if you can't afford to "feed 'em - don't breed 'em!!!!" financially, is that it?  Because this woman has never been on welfare and hasn't filed for it.  And maybe she will, but maybe she won't, you don't know either way.

You're right though, we should absolutely not allow people to breed if they can't feed and we should throw doctors out of the midecal care establishment knowing only a very small number of facts about them.  Super idea!  Someone turn over the decision making power on this issue to RoseRider!

February 6, 2009 12:38 PM
 

Maujer said:

While I agree the facts make this woman seem "irresponsible," I am pretty sickened by the amount of outrage her case has generated. Geez, she had ivf. She didn't reduce -- it's not like she's the only one who had a moral issue with reduction. If you're going to denounce her, you'd best denounce Jon and Kate too, and everyone else who's been in that situation.

And, frankly, Kate? Who's life I've seen a lot more of thanks to the miracle of cable? What makes her behavior acceptable? Marriage? That woman is scary.

February 9, 2009 1:53 PM

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