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Who wears short shorts? Not my kid, not to school

 Last week, on J's first day of her freshman year of high school, we had one of our lately-not-uncommon clothing "discussions." Her new public high school has a standardized, rather modest dress code, but because this was a special orientation day, the kids could wear whatever they wanted, and what she wanted to wear was shorts. Now, I'm not sure whether those of you who do not have tweens or teens yet, or who do not yourselves shop at Abercrombie, Hollister or American Eagle know this, but shorts for teenage girls in recent seasons have staged a 70s hotpants revival - only shorter. (Think of those shorts Jodie Foster wore as the 13-year-old hooker in "Taxi Driver," and then mentally lop off an inch or two from their length. You get the idea.) At the moment, the shorts teenage girls favor are little more than bikini bottoms made of demim, khaki and madras. My mother was lucky, I guess, because during my own teenage years, the 80s preppy thang was in full flower, so when I wore shorts, they were almost knee length, covered in whales or ducks, and looked more like something Thurston Howell, III would have worn, rather than the Mary Anne-esque, barely-there shorts favored today. 

 

 

 

 

And so J and I had a disagreement that first morning of school about whether I would allow her to wear her teensy, tiny denim shorts to school. I said no way, and she was extremely miffed, telling me that everyone would be wearing shorts that day - ones just like hers -  and that if I denied her request to wear the shorts, she would be both swelteringly hot all day, as well as socially ruined. But I held fast. No shorts like those for school.

 

In all of these disagreements over clothing that we've had lately, what I am trying to get her to understand is that there are times and places where things like super short shorts are appropriate, and times and places where they are not. The shorts would be great for a three hour cruise around the Hawaaian Islands, for example, but I am just totally uncomfortable with her wearing them to school (or church or out to dinner at a restaurant with a friend's family....) She was annoyed, but she found something else to wear, and off she went for her first day, ready to face her certain fate of heat exhaustion combined with social damnation,

 

Later that day, when I mentioned to friends on Facebook that I had disallowed J from wearing shorts to school, most of the responses I got from people, including other parents, disagreed with my position. Some said I shouldn't try to be so controlling of a teenager's clothing choices, while others said there simply isn't anything wrong with wearing short shorts to school because that's what girls are wearing at the moment. The fact that people mostly seemed to disagree with me on the issue (which kind of surprised me) forced me to think through my views more carefully. Why did I say no to the shorts? And it's not just that pair of shorts; why do I occasionally put my foot down and disallow her from wearing what I consider to be excessively low cut tank tops when she goes to the mall, or extra low rise jeans when she goes to a movie with friends? These are all clothing items she bought at mainstream stores, meaning they are what teenage girls are wearing these days. I know that I do see other girls J's age wearing these things - and other stuff I also don't let J wear in public - all the time. Am I just really different than "all the other moms," like J says?

 

I don't think I am a prude. It's not like I am forbidding her from wearing about 95% of what's in style, or forcing her to wear a long denim skirt and prairie blouse. No, I think that if you saw my daughter anywhere, anytime, you would have no idea that she considers her mother's clothing guidelines excessively strict, because she looks adorable and fashionable and wears things that are - as most clothing for teenage girls has been since time immemorial - designed to take advantage of the fact that when we are adolescents, our bodies are rockin' in a way they really never will be again. So no, I am not weird or uptight in general about her clothing. I mean, she wears a bikini at the pool, and she wore a white eyelet, strapless sundress to her eighth grade graduation. She wears skinny jeans and big hoop earrings, and I let her start wearing makeup sooner than many of her friends'  mothers. But sometimes, I draw the line at a certain item of clothing, or at a particular way of wearing something. What are the things that provoke my maternal veto? Well, I don't really have hard and fast rules about what those specific items and styles are, it's more of a "I know it when I see it" kind of standard. In parent-ese, that means the only reason I am able or willing to give her on these clothing disagreements is, "because I said so." And as years go by, I am completely comfortable with saying that.

 

This clothing issue isn't necessarily just a parenting-a-teenage-girl thing, either. I have already parented J's older brother, H through his high school years (he turns 18 next month) and I dealt with different clothing issues with him. And frankly, I now believe that I made some mistakes with how I allowed him to dress, and wear his hair. Poor H has, as most first children are, been a bit of a parenting guinea pig. So I've learned from trial and error in mothering him, and his three younger siblings are now the trickledown recipients of my enhanced, evidence-based maternal judgment. In short, I have always let H wear pretty much whatever he wanted, and in his case, by about age 14, that became the standard jam-band-following-Phish-loving-neo-hippie uniform, with the occasional thuggy item (I am speaking specifically of a brief flirtation with the sideways trucker hat) thrown in for good measure. He also, until recently, wore his hair very long and kept it mostly in his face. I realize now that I should have laid down the law on allowing H to dress like a cross between a homeless person and a deadhead when he started doing it, because this look did not serve him well in all kinds of ways. But even though my gut told me I needed to get more comfortable with pulling a Ward Cleaver and simply tell him to "get a haircut," I didn't do it, believing that his personal autonomy was more important than my personal opinion of his clothing and grooming choices. However, I was wrong. The way he dressed created a perception in others that was no good for him, and by dressing like that, he both attracted and was drawn to kids who were not a good influence. The "look" these kids all wore - including my son - was like a secret handshake, and it gave them an instant, visual organizational schema, just like gang colors do.

 

( H update: he is now in his senior year at boarding school, doing great, and he has his sights set on graduating early, this semester, and starting college in January. I am really proud of him. The campus we chose for him to finish high school does not allow students to wear any sort of identifiable "look," instead asking the kids to focus on who they really are, rather than what they are attempting to project through a certain fashion persona. Same reason so many schools - public and private - require uniforms.)

 

Teenagers are trying to find and express their identities through their clothing. I get that, and they need some freedom to do play around with who they are through their sartorial excesses. That shape-shifting through fashion experimentation can be an important part of the growing up process, and completely harmless. On the other hand, when the identity teenegers are expressing through what they are wearing is one that truly contradicts your values as a parent, or celebrates things that are dangerous or illegal, or that compromises their reputation among other kids and adults because it says something about them that people find negative, well, then, I think parental discretion and judgment trumps their need or right to have complete freedom of choice in what they wear. That's where I am with this these days, but that's been an evolution over time.

 

For some teenagers, dressing a certain way is nothing more than play acting, but for other kids, adopting, for example, a Goth fashion sensibility actually supports and encourages their descent into depression or drug use or other kinds of self-harm. Dressing like the guys in gangsta rap videos might be a big nothing for some kids, who just like to play around with costuming themselves, while for others, it's part of a very meaningful and dangerous interest in a criminal lifestyle. And even if the kids themselves aren't actually doing any of the things commonly associated with whatever specific clothing styles they are sporting, they can be creating an impression in their schools, neighborhoods and communities that is unhealthy and self-defeating. As parents, we have to protect our kids' from their own lack of experience and underdeveloped judgment unti l they "get" this stuff themselves.


When it comes to my 14 year old daughter, one of the things I want to protect her from is the increasing "pornification" of our youth culture. When Miley Cyrus is pole dancing on a TV awards show designed for a target audience of 13 year olds, and the wall-sized ads inside teen shopping haven, Abercrombie features groups of barely legal, barely dressed girls clearly engaged in sex acts with their stripped down, shaggy haired "boyfriends," it's no wonder girls feel pressure to start wearing thongs and push up bras in middle school. I honor and respect the fact that teenagers are indeed sexual beings, and I want my kids to feel positive and confident in themselves as they grow into the adolescent bodies that are biologically destined to be at least a few years ahead of their brains and judgment. I never want my daughter, or her little sister when the time comes, to feel that she needs to be ashamed of her body, or that she needs to "cover up" when choosing clothing. But I also know that there is a balance between parenting in a way that is sex-positive, while also protecting my daughter from the pressures that descend on her to "be sexy" before she's even done growing. I also want her to develop her OWN idea over time of what "being sexy" even means, rather than simply blindly accepting the current cultural zeitgeist that tells her that it necessarily involves dressing like Kim Kardashian and her sisters.

 

Maybe if all the teenage boys start wearing the male equivalent of  the midriff-baring tank tops and short shorts that adolescent girls today seem to believe they are expected to wear (What would that even be? Speedo swimsuits?  Assless pleather chaps?), I'll reconsider my position that the items I disallow my daughter from wearing in public are less about fashion than they are about sexist objectification of this generation of girls. But I just don't see that happening.

 

But beyond these high concept, feminist issues, I also say no to things like short shorts at school in order to teach my daughter that there are simply different dress codes for different times and places. I mean,  I wouldn't wear the cleavage-baring, little black dress and heels I wore for New Year's Eve when I go to work the next day, and in the same way, teenagers need to learn about context when it comes to choosing their own clothing. I know my teenagers cuss when they are talking with their friends, but they understand context well enough to realize that those same words aren't appropriate or helpful for use when conversing with their teachers or grandparents. Along the same lines, I say wear shorts-like-a-bikini-bottom to play volleyball with friends at the beach, but don't wear them to stand in front of your high school civics class and talk about the lessons of Brown v. Board of Education.

 

So there you have it - my shortie shorts parenting manifesto, still a work in progress (talk to me when my two year old daughter starts ninth grade and see where I am with all of this then). Take what's useful and leave the rest. And also, be sure to leave a comment below, letting me know your own thoughts on all of this..

 

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LisaJane said:

Katie, I've commented here before on your decisions concerning your kids and school.  And again, I want to thank you for the choices you make with your kids.  I teach at a public high school in the suburbs and I can tell you those shorts, low cut tank tops, see through blouses, etc. are NOT appropriate for school.  Not only do they leave NOTHING to the imagination, but what a teacher can see from the front of the room or standing over a student giving him/her help would startle you.    

August 30, 2009 11:54 PM
 

Katie C-A said:

I'm experiencing a similar problem but with my 4 year old! A lot of the skirts sold right now my husband and I deem entirely too short. Even shorts from some stores are oddly short. What happened to little girls dressing like little girls? There was a 5 year old on my sons tee ball team and my son asked me why she was wearing underwear to practice. Thats right they were THAT short and tight. If this seem to be the norm in elementary no wonder your having problems with a  high schooler.

August 31, 2009 2:08 AM
 

lizo said:

I'm with you there.  I was a bit surprised on your FB as well that folks took issue with your stance.

I was talking to my daughter, just last night, about the perception that some folks will have with the skinny jeans, and black fingernails, etc.  And while I know who the inner young girl is, that sometimes it is helpful to portray that on the outside as well.  A short cut for the teachers, at least until they get to know her.

August 31, 2009 6:58 AM
 

Tearsa Smith said:

I am shocked by your friend's responses! I think you are TOTALLY right in not wanting her to wear those shorts. It scares me to think that one day my beautiful little girl may be ogled by grown men. It happened to me as a teen and I was never a risque dresser. It is our roll and responsibility to protect our children and not add any fuel to the fire when it comes to predators, hormone enraged young boys and just "nasty old men." You did the right thing!!

As my mother has told my sister and me A MILLION TIMES: In my house you have a voice, but not a choice. The decision always came from her in what we were doing.

August 31, 2009 7:50 AM
 

Sue said:

Hold your ground. And, yes, I was lucky because there weren't any strange styles at your school. You did a few strange hair things to "express yourself," but that's about it and I let those go. Clothing issues just never happened. Wearing pants that are falling off, showing lots of cleavage, showing butt, Goth - all of those send a message to teachers and others in authority (yes, authority, kiddos) that marks them in a negative way. The fact is that when they grow up in a few years and enter the workplace, they will most likely have a dress code. Might as well teach that early along with table manners and grammar. On more than one occasion, young women were sent home from my workplace to change clothes, generally for having their boobs hanging out, but also once for wearing a skirt that was obscenely short and revealing and just inappropriate for an office. School is a training ground for work and career and appropriate grooming should be part of that training.

August 31, 2009 8:42 AM
 

Debra said:

Good for you! I totally support your decision. I see young women at church wearing clothing that's appropriate for being pool-side. Thank you for setting some decency standards re: wardrobe.

August 31, 2009 9:08 AM
 

mamatried said:

I agree with most of what you have to say but would like to add that I think some of this is very regional.  The 'uniform' for the South is pretty ugly in my opinion and I think in other regions there is much less conformity in society in general.  As a teacher I could really read pretty quickly what kids were like from their attitude not from their appearance.  An edgy girl with black nail polish that liked to draw and talk about books and was a good student was someone that I was drawn to as a teacher and usually my most interesting students.   Another girl could have black nail polish but be withdrawn and hostile.  I saw this student as an opportunity to reach out and try to interact in a positive light.  

I was in charge of NHS and so knew most of our valedictorians.  The ones that seemed to be able to 'conform' quickly seemed to have a lot of issues as well.  I think they will be soul searching later in life and probably their 'need' to please will put them on a particular pathway in life.

August 31, 2009 9:29 AM
 

Yvonne said:

This was a great post. I have been struggling with how I will handle this when my boys are older, and they are 1 and 3. I dressed like a Goth kid when I was younger, I know from first hand experience that it does influence the way other kids and adults treat you and think of you. I struggled and missed out on a lot in high school because of it. My brother and I have been having this conversation about our kids, and we disagree. I agree with what you said in this post, that there is a time and place for things, and I want them to express their individuality in more ways than the way they dress. He thinks they should be allowed to dress and look however they want, and holds up the fact that we did up, and we turned out fine, as an example. I am sending this article to my brother because it expresses my opinion much better than I can on my own. Thanks!!

August 31, 2009 9:47 AM
 

Leslie said:

I am very laid back about my children's clothing choices on their own time, but agree with you about knowing when it is appropriate to wear certain kinds of clothing.  We almost always dress up (relatively!) for church, for example, which is sadly rare these days, it seems, at least in Catholic churches.  Knowing what they are allowed to wear in church provides a handy shortcut other times when they ask, "What should I wear?" and I can just say "Church clothes."

Similarly, if they are going out with their grandmother they know clothes must be free of holes and stains (my 8-year-old actually has a specific area where such clothes, neatly matched, are kept, to distinguish them from his everyday clothes which he can wear to play in the mud or whatever!).

Wearing uniforms to school takes care of almost all other clothing headaches, and I'm thankful for that.  I remember myself starting college and wishing for uniforms again, it was so stressful picking the right outfit each day!

I never had to face the problem of the skimpy teen clothes because my teenage daughter did not feel comfortable wearing them so it has never been an issue. (If she ever HAD wanted to, it would have been a BIG issue!) I do agree about the problem of suitable "little girl" clothes.  I want little girls to look like little girls--I'd buy all Hanna Andersson and CWD clothes if I had the budget for it!  My four-year-old wears a lot of hand-me-downs from many different friends/family members and one day she had on a pair of rather skimpy shorts and a shirt that showed a little of her belly, and her 15-year-old brother told me to change her clothes because she looked like a "baby skank."

I have allowed "expression" through hair length (it's kept in check due to Catholic school during the year, but we don't cut it in the summer, and when one kid was homeschooled we let him grow it for a whole year--it was beautiful!) and casual clothing choices (the boys have a few t-shirts I suspect other parents would not approve!).  I do think, though, that the whole issue of expression through clothes is overrated.  Perhaps uniform dress forces kids to find more creative ways of expressing themselves.

August 31, 2009 10:22 AM
 

Heather said:

Speaking as someone who's "friend" just recently scanned some old high school photos of me and posted them on Facebook-- I WISH my mother had exercised just a tiny bit more "veto power" with my wardrobe.  HONESTLY!!!  I'm a little embarrassed by how much is revealed.

August 31, 2009 12:17 PM
 

Clisby said:

Leslie:  I love your mention of "church clothes".  Although, if you were to ask my children what qualified as church clothes (they and my husband are, at least nominally, Catholics) they would probably reply, "Ummm ... clean?"

August 31, 2009 12:20 PM
 

MidLifeMama said:

I am often glad I have a son, and not a daughter. I see my neice who is 16 dressing the way you describe and while I would have and did make different choices when I was her age, and appreciate that she is far more comfortable in her skin than I was at that age, I am uncomfortable with what you call the pornification of teens. Boys come with their own issues - I am not without some awareness of that since I have step sons who are 18 and 20. Ear gauging, tattooes, to cut or not cut the hair, pants too big, too tattered, etc. But girls have so much pressure on them from a physical and emotional standpoint to grow up too fast, we don't have to add to it.

And I would agree with you how we present ourselves visually to the outside world sends a message. One we can control with how we choose to dress. I had a staff member who would get upset when people mistook her for a college student. I suggested that it was because she looked like one. Once she started dressing like a college administrator, she was treated like one.

August 31, 2009 1:14 PM
 

Leslie said:

Clisby--clean's a good place to start!  That appears to be the current Catholic definition of church clothes, at least for most people in my parish.  I'm exaggerating a bit, perhaps, but I can count the men wearing ties on one hand.  And there are plenty of teen girls wearing their tight and skimpy clothes at Mass too!

August 31, 2009 2:08 PM
 

Clinton said:

I dressed in goth clothing when I was in High School. I can't say I was an angel but I can say that the drugs we bought were always sold from the preppy kids and they were always the most wild compared to any of us weirdos.

August 31, 2009 3:13 PM
 

MamaJamz said:

It's a bonus for me that the clothing rules can be a lot simpler for boys.  Ours are, If you're out in public (other than milling about the neighborhood) no tears or stains or cheeky sayings on t-shirts.  (The cheeky t-shirt rule would probably be bent for the mall or movies, maybe, but holds very firm for all school and school-ish events.)  With boys, you get the skip the "looking too sexy" thing, which seems like it would be really difficult to discuss.

I totally agree with setting limits on things like shorts length.  If there *is* a line, it has to be drawn somewhere, right?  And it seems that your criteria are very reasonable.

August 31, 2009 3:29 PM
 

Micaela said:

I agree with your reasoning completely.

August 31, 2009 4:35 PM
 

Tara said:

Katie, I definitely look to you as one of my "cyber" mamas for parenting advice.  This essay just scared the hell out of me because I have 2 girls (about your youngest daughter's age) that I will have to go through this with someday.  I don't have any advice to offer, but I appreciate you sharing your experiences for others to learn from!

August 31, 2009 5:18 PM
 

Fran said:

Clinton,you have made a very good point. When my daughter was in middle scool she and her friends began wearing dark eye makeup and studded belts. They looked very edgy but they were very good kids. Meanwhile, the sporty and abercrombie crowds faked out the judgemental,naive teachers because they were drinking and drugging every weekend! It was so annoying to me...

August 31, 2009 6:31 PM
 

mamatried said:

I had a toddler to corral so I couldn't finish what I was saying earlier.

I had a student who dressed 100% Goth and is now in med school.  She still is a Goth chick but hides it well.  I figure being a teenager is the ONE time you kind of get a free pass to express yourself.

And the thing is that the deadhead/Phish/guitar playing kid you describe was also 100% one of our valedictorians (who by the way now is majoring in engineering at MIT).  So, I am just not buying that all kids need censorship.  Some kids need guidance because of their behavior but not their dress IMO.

I have a friend who was 100% Heavy Metal dude in high school and college.  He still goes to shows (???)---his POOR wife---but he graduated FIRST in his class from UTK and went to Stanford for his PhD.

I get that kids have to learn how to conform but I don't know.  I think teachers and administrators are a LOT less judgmental than parents actually think.  I mean, we actually work with kids so we know.  It is more often the *older* generation (ahem, grandparents) that we are trying to please as parents I think.

But I do think you TOTALLY were right with nixing the short shorts.  That is inappropriate for school.  

And this post was really, really good btw.  I'm just saying as adults/parents we think it is something we *failed* to do when we think our teenagers are struggling when in reality it probably isn't us at all if that makes any sense.

August 31, 2009 9:56 PM
 

kgranju said:

Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that every child who dresses in black, or has piercings is doing drugs or flunking out of school. Nor am I suggesting that girls who DO wear short shorts to school are sexually active. All I am saying is that parents should feel comfortable nixing clothing if they feel like it's playing any role in any negative behavior, perceptions or reputation for their kids. That's all ;-)

And I have no illusions that the kids who "dress preppy" are all little angels.=. No way. Clothing can also HIDE negative behavior.

September 1, 2009 7:07 AM
 

No Debt Plan said:

It sounds like you need new friends! What kind of a friend disagrees with a mother trying to make the best decision for her daughter?

This is how America got to be the way it is. We are so focused on sexuality in our youth that the inappropriate clothing age has continually dropped.

There is something to be said for modesty. Good luck fighting that battle over the next 10 years.

September 1, 2009 7:55 AM
 

Debra said:

My friend's boyfriend found a pair of Daisy Dukes in his daughter's backpack. She had been changing into them when she got to school...

September 1, 2009 8:26 AM
 

Kate said:

RE: Debra-- Yep, I did that too, when I was in middle school. But I was still being given the value, from my parents, of what was and was not appropriate for school, so it wasn't all for moot.

I think definitely better to give some guidance than give none, and you know that if she really wanted to wear them she would find a way. I only realized when I was in my twenties how much like prostitutes we looked in high school. Perhaps that would be a useful lesson? "Like, here's the local streetwalker. Look, you have the same shorts!" As provocative as we dressed, we didn't want that.

And yes, most of them grow out of it.

September 1, 2009 10:08 AM
 

Jane said:

As a teacher of high school freshmen, I say thank you to you for helping your daughter (even if she disliked it) to make an appropriate clothing decision.  The school where I teach has a fairly liberal dress code, but I still have to pull girls aside about shorts and skirts that are far too short and shirt that show too much cleavage.  As you said, it is all about wearing things that are context-appropriate.  I wish more parents would step in like you did and have these difficult but important conversations with their kids.  They need it.

September 1, 2009 6:42 PM
 

kate said:

shorts? some of those shorts are so short they can't even be called shorts, they lost that right when they stopped effectively covering our legs.

September 5, 2009 2:54 AM
 

Heather C. said:

I remember hitting Walmart for baby clothes after our first daughter was born....midriffs in infant sizes! We started shopping at Goodwill where we could find clothes we used to wear that were cute, modest and CHEAP!

We are having this issue with our 10 year old...unfortunately her regular shorts are now becoming short shorts due to a very recent and rapid growth spurt! Luckily fall is in the air here in northern Nevada and last year I stocked up on the next size up for winter!

September 8, 2009 11:40 AM
 

Melissa said:

I completely agree.  I think that the clothes that are out now are sending a message that these girls don't even understand themselves, as smart as they may think they are.  (Not to mention the tattoos and piercings!)  They have no idea what goes on in the minds of boys (or grown men for that matter) when they are dressed in that way.  I know I didn't!

September 8, 2009 4:48 PM
 

anonymous said:

i am on a cross country team and they make everybody on the team where short shorts including boys. the girls just giggle and laugh its embarraisng. when i warm up the girls are gigling and i get a boner and cant hide it.

October 2, 2009 4:46 PM
 

anupam said:

I think you were extremely right and reasonable in not allowing your daughter to wear short shorts, that too to school!! Now-a-days, parents are becoming unnecessarily liberated when it comes to dressing styles as regards teenage and preteen girls. Old fashioned as I may sound, researches have proved that 90% of eve-teasing is due to girls dressing scantily or indecently!! Its very sad that day-by-day boys are becoming "uncles" by wearing loose ill-fitted clothes. Even young boys under 10 are feeling shy in showing their knees!!  Let us all hope and pray and do out bit to bring back those fabulous, smart-looking short shorts (of the seventies) to our loving boys and make them stronger smarter and cutest!! Thanks.

October 24, 2009 4:04 AM

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