Okay pro-life movement, now's your chance to walk the walk

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Jer — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:00:22 GMT

I visited this site and this discussion as a result of following someones twitter. My comment is WOW was this site ever properly named. BABBLE

Typical of someone with liberal values and no deep comittment to our Creator. I hope for you and many of your readers, that those us who has accepted God as our Savior, and the values He writes on our hearts, and who accidentally visits this site prays for you and they do not respond negatively to your misguided directions. God Bless You

re: Okay pro-life movement, now's your chance to walk the walk

Kat — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:49:52 GMT

I believe it was a stupid choice on her part. And no, I do not believe that either pro-life or pro-choice should take sides on this issue. If anything, perhaps the price is right ought to promote "spay or neuter your semi-retarded-incapable-of-thinking-of-the-future humans".

Besides, the Pro-life argument has become so bogged down in religion that it is pretty well a worthless argument, like creationism. Its too bad that a vast majority of this country is incapable of thought like that.

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KIM — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:23:11 GMT

Here, here! EXCELLENT blog!

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Andrew P — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:56:10 GMT

Wow, you are all missing the larger picture.

I stumbled upon this page and was amazed at the lack of clarity in all the responses.

Yes the argument she presented was filled with an abundance of logical fallacies. And to say "Time to step up pro lifers" was insensitive and off base.

Arguing back and forth though over pro-life or pro-choice is beyond pointless. We should all be sending donations. We should all be stepping it up. I didn't know Pro Choice meant you could shrug off human decency in the sake of politics.

It was her own stupid mistake and she should have her children removed from her based on "neglect" as willingly and knowingly accepting more children without being able to support them would fall under that category. The children should be sent up for adoption and the support should come pouring in from both sides of the aisle.

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Ashton — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:12:46 GMT

LissaKay,

It seems you only believe us Liberals are "out of touch with reality" and "irresponsible" with the consequences of our fought-for choices because you cloud your perspective with an archaic sense of religiously-infused morality.

God is not going to come down and smite a woman for making the RESPONSIBLE choice of not bringing an accidentally conceived child into the world for whom she is unable to care, because he is far too busy not existing. If you weren't talking about God, then you need to pull out a dictionary and learn to differentiate between morality and ethics. In the latter case, choosing to not participate in a pregnancy which would jeopardize the potential child's health/well being, further strain the economy, and unnecessarily tax the Earth's resources would be considered ethical.

But if you were, in fact, referring to morality, within God's nonexistence he also remains apathetic about how many partners a woman has, and really couldn't care less about this man made idea of "sanctity" perpetuated by the power hungry, oppressive institution that is religion. As Gandhi once said, "God has no religion."

Perhaps if you weren't so uncertain with the validity of your own beliefs, you wouldn't have to turn to such embarrassing self righteousness as a shield.

Great article, Katie.

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Phil — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:18:21 GMT

FUCK THE OCTOMOM, the babies are probably going to die of starvation or something.

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spiney — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:52:11 GMT

<i>You poor liberal, feminist women. You have no idea just how imprisoned you are by your "sexual revolution" and abortion rights. But the men (aka the patriarchy) sure loves having you at their sexual beck and call. How does it feel to be so used, especially since you allow yourself to be used??</i>

Wow, someone's husband/boyfriend probably owns a Fleshlight.

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Ellen W — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:36:10 GMT

Nadya should take care of them herself. She got herself artificially into this situation, and she should get her own self taken care of. Just because "pro-lifers" don't accept abortion, doesn't mean they accept "un-thought out decisions". These children really should be taken out of that situation and be put up for adoption to families who can actually care for them and give them a better chance at life. They don't need pro-lifers, they need great parents.

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Rich — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:32:47 GMT

Observer,

It should be obvious that I know Katie since I said I knew her in my comment. To call us friends might be stretching the point, but cordial acquaintances fits the bill pretty nicely. Katie and I disagree on virtually everything, but we do so with a certain amount of respect. I don't fault Katie for her views, nor do I attack her for them. I do attack her arguments, and I do call her out when I believe she goes too far, or puts forward a weak argument, as I believe she has in this case. She calls me out as well in her KNS column, and that's fine with me. That's what this stuff is all about.

You also need to remember that Katie called us out intentionally on this one. She wanted to engage with pro life folks on this issue and we obliged her. We didn't just barge in like uninvited guests. Your observation is in error.

Dewi, a <a href="www.guttmacher.org/.../a> conducted in 2000 found that 51% of all women receiving abortions had a previous abortion. More significantly, 48% of women who had 2 abortions got a third. And 7.3% of women reported 4 or more abortions. It's not an invention; it's a fact.

Obviously, these 7% do not represent all pro-choice women, which was the point of the original comparison.

And Dewi, lay off the white supremacist thing. It's deeply offensive hate speech without a shred of truth.

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LissaKay — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:49:16 GMT

Dewi - Once again, you reveal your ignorance and lack of intellect. Zygote? Really? You do know that the zygote stage comes and goes before the mother even has the first clue she is pregnant, right? You might want to educate yourself a little bit, makes you look a bit less ridiculous.

You believe the right of women to not be inconvenienced supersedes that of her child's right to live. Do I have that correct? Your words, slightly rephrased.

So, when, if ever, does a child's right to live surpass that of its mother's right to not be burdened by the child?

When it is viable? Well, gee ... 30 years ago, that was about the 34 - 36th week of gestation. Now, we are able to keep babies alive after only 22 weeks. That would make abortions that were OK back then not so OK today. Right?

Are you in favor of late term abortions? Where they pierce the baby's head and suck its brains out so it can be pulled out of the womb easily, while the rest of its body is dismembered. These are babies that can easily survive a shortened gestation.

And what about those that do survive? Do you think they should be left to die, gasping for air, cold and alone shut away in a closet? Obama thinks so.

What if the mom gives birth to her baby, but once she has it home, it's too much of a burden on her. Is it OK for her to kill it then? How about when it gets to the "Terrible Twos" and is a royal pain in the ass? Dealing with school and all those inconveniences surely is too much for some women, so is it OK to just shoot a 5 year old because they missed the bus three days in a row?

Is Susan Smith a hero to the pro-choice movement? I would think so. Those kids were a major inconvenience to her, they kept her from living the life she wanted, and doing the things she wanted to do. They were interfering with her relationship and other opportunities in life. She exercised her right to choose so she could do what she wanted to with her body and her life! Her abortions were just a few years later than most, right?

One last correction ... no one has the Constitutional right to kill any baby. No one.

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Dewi — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:52:48 GMT

Lisa kay,

We will always disagree.

This makes us a great democracy. I get to believe a zygote does not have more rights then a women.

I will fight for your right to have a choice to not carry a pregnancy to term. Some day you might be in the horrible situation and need to make that decision. I'm here to fund and support your constitutional right to have an abortion.

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LissaKay — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:59:30 GMT

Dewi ... please go get proof of your defamatory statements. All of them. I have never, EVER supported the agenda of white supremacists, nor have I stated so. Further, I do not hate.

However, I DO point it out when people make incorrect statements, and Katie often does. This and especially the KNS blog are media blogs, where this kind of discussion is expected. If I was just into hassling her, I'd be over at her personal site too, but I am not. It's not about Katie, it's about the things she says.

I DO stand up for the rights of ALL children, and stand against their murder, no matter where they are living. I DO state my opposition to accepting sinful lifestyles as "normal". I am very much into promoting personal responsibility, and believe that we would have a much better world if more people would be responsible for themselves, and not expect someone else to always be taking care of them or cleaning up their messes.

If you take that for hate, well then, the problem here is most certainly not mine.

A good, long look into your own heart may be quite revealing. It could certainly provide insight into why you feel it necessary to lie about my husband and I. Just why is it that you find it necessary to support the killing of innocent children? Why do you think it's OK for people to behave irresponsibly and not have to face the consequences? Or try to convince people to accept sinful lifestyles? Just why is it that you find immorality to be "OK" if it suits your or others' desires? Why must you be so hateful to people who hold that the Bible is the complete, true and inerrant Word of God?

Instead of assuming (or lying about) what is in other people's hearts, which you obviously have no clue about, why don't you tell us about what is in yours?

Lastly, why don't you share the name of this organization you say is a pro-life abortion provider? If you are so proud of it, then share. I believe you are being less than truthful ... again.

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Dewi — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:05:47 GMT

Observer,

Sadly Katie has some authentically hateful people who comment on her blog. White supremacists come out from under their bed sheets and post on Katie's blogs. I vaguely remember that Lisa Kay said she is a white supremacist or supports their philosophy.

It helps to understand their depth of hate (except for fetus and other white people like themselves)!

Rich,

It's an invention that women use abortions as their daily birth control. I'm not aganist abortion, so anyone can be accepting of abortions as theri choice if needed.

Including all the Christan Evangelists who secretly have abortions! I contribute money to an organization that provides funds, abortions for free to "pro life" Christan Evangelists and anyone else who does not have the money or access in their town.

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LissaKay — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:21:18 GMT

"Observer" (interesting name this week) ... she posts this stuff (very often without thinking), she asks pro-life folks to "step up", over at the KNS she is purposely provocative in order to stimulate discussion, when we do write substantive, reasoned comments, she replies with 3rd grade condescension (nanny nanny boo boo). She and her ditto-heads very often write things about Christians, conservatives and all other manner of folk that aren't liberal elitists that are, quite frankly, wrong. Now whether they are purposely provocative or just that ignorant is a matter for conjecture, but it makes for interesting discussion, don't you think? I mean, look, if neither of us had posted here, there would be nothing but comments like Lila's and Dewi's ... ditto heads with no substance. It would be awfully boring that way, wouldn't it?

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Observer — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:40:15 GMT

It seems clear from reading some of these responses that Rich and LissaKay both know Katie and have a personal agenda for attacking her and her post.

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FemiNaziCultofDeathMustEndNow — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:30:58 GMT

Look around. There are plenty of pro-life people that have stepped up. you are just too steeped in your culture of death to see that there are good people that care about babies at all stages of life who are more than willing to help them. We just aren't so willing to help their idiot mothers that go spreading their legs for just anyone whether its some guy she met in a bar or a doctor implanting embryos. You don't go around making babies unless you can take care of them!

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Val — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:51:04 GMT

They're not pro-life, they're pro-fetus.

Probably not going to step up.

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Rich — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:30:22 GMT

Dewi, if this woman is the pro-life poster child, then women who use abortion as birth control are the poster child of pro-choice.

Please think before you type. You might actually add something to the conversation.

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Lila — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:52:43 GMT

Great post.

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W Chase — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:05:36 GMT

One observation about abortion that I have made is that it seems to hide from view the social and psychological problems that lead to the birth of unwanted or at-risk children. If a woman is raped, for example, and gets pregnant, the ugly fact of her rape is more easily hidden if she gets an abortion. If she is raped by her father, there is less chance that a paternity test can prove it, for example. Not to say that you can't find ways to hide problems without abortion, but abortion just seems both too easy and very costly in human terms, a dangerous combination. I am not even saying that it is always bad to hide problems, but the downsides of the method ought to be examined. The fact that Ms.Suleman had these children makes it harder for society and journalists to ignore the problems that led to her being impregnated with all those embryos.

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LissaKay — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:37:09 GMT

Ms Suleman's personal pro-life beliefs are NOT shared by the majority of people that respect the right to life.

Is that a simple enough concept for you to grasp? No? How about a comparison ... do YOU share ALL pro-choice or pro-abortion beliefs? Do you? Really?

How about the beliefs held by an extreme view that any baby that is less than perfect should be killed? Even after birth? How does the idea of eugenics strike you? What about that college student that made an art project from the products of abortion (whether it was real or not, just the idea of abortion as art)?

"Pro-life" does not mean create as much life as possible, without regard to whether the resources exist to support it. It means that once life has been created, it has the right to continue. It is also expected that people be responsible in their actions. Implanting 6 embryos all at once is not responsible. By doing so, she took a huge risk that some or all of them could have died. Purposely being impregnated with 14 children with no means of supporting oneself, much less the children, is not responsible behavior.

As Rich said, this woman is more of a poster child for the pro-choice folks. She exercised her right to do with her body as she wished, without regard for the safety, well-being and life of the babies she created ... isn't that the pro-choice credo? Isn't that exactly what you girls do? You go out and screw around as you wish, without regard for the life you might create, since you have the choice to simply murder it?

And as I said, and you still don't get, it is about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. This woman exhibits none. Yes, the babies should be taken care of ... by SOMEONE ELSE. All 14 kids should be taken away from her and given to good, moral people who will raise them to be good people too. Not sucking leeches on society like the woman who gave birth to them.

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Dewi — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:40:05 GMT

Please go watch the Night Line interview.

The people who are pro-life should embrace Nadya.

Nadya's choice was based on her PRO-LIFE beliefs, she felt it was gods will, she said she would not want any embryos that were frozen thrown out, she considered them "her babies" and wanted all of them implanted and said she would not reduce (abort) if they all took.

Like it or not she is the pro-life poster child.

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Kelly — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:24:35 GMT

Your link which proves that people are calling for a boycott is one line on a blog which says that "people are ready to boycott." That's not the same thing at all. Rather misleading, actually.

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Whocares — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:42:40 GMT

What Rich said times 10.