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Grups, Hipsters, Trendsters, Xers: Label Me, Label You, Uh Huh

Z Recommends has a thoughtful post about Lisa Carver's review of Neal Pollack's Alternadad  (you can read Neal's response here), in which he points out that blogs with an edgy, cynical, or ironic take on parenting seem to dominate the mommy and daddy blogosphere.  Reading the sniping comments on the Pollack and Carver pieces, you'd have to conclude that parents today -- at least those who are blogging and commenting -- are a bunch of angry, labeling, cliquish malcontents.  

The labels thrown around with the most vitriol seem to be those associated with the likes of Babble, including "hipster," "grup," and "trendy."  Some of those labels are well-deserved, but as with all labels they tend to over-generalize and foreshorten real dialogue and debate.

In her piece summing up the Pollack/Carver debate, Babble editor Ada Calhoun concludes wisely that "the irony label (like "grup") is dismissive and cheap...and the rush to cry "hipster" undermines the opportunity to talk about what's thrilling and funny and lonely and scary about having kids."

I've been overwhelmed at times by pressure to be cool and clever while writing for Stroller Derby, but when I succumb to that, I miss the point.  Babble contributors are everyday people experiencing parenting.  If we swear and drink more than the average bear, than so be it.  But if we could all drop the labels and get along, wouldn't this just be one hell of a lot more fun?


Comments

 

Peter said:

That's just the sort of argument a typical irono-hipgrup would make.  :)

February 5, 2007 11:35 AM
 

crunchy carpets said:

but if you dropped the labels, places like Babble and Strollerderby would cease to exist.

Isn't the essence of a site like this to point out how much 'cooler' a 'type' of parent is compared to another? And I do actually fit into the gen x or what is that up there...Xers? group!

I like and read regularly a lot of the bloggers here, but I still get and fully understand that because of my age and my inability to consider myself hip and urban, that  I am not the demographic and therefore need to go find my own labels!!!

And yeah, about AlternaDad....why?

stick to the blogging.  Do we need books about people trying to show that 'cool' people breed too!?  

I don't get it.

But I guess Irony is now a way a way of life

February 5, 2007 11:49 AM
 

Rachael Brownell (Redsy) said:

Crunchy Crunchy,

I guess my point is that I think Babble is more than just pointing out who is cooler than thou... we may have strayed there for awhile, but I think the winds of authenticity are now blowing through... give us a chance.

Rachael

February 5, 2007 11:59 AM
 

Rachael Brownell (Redsy) said:

And as for cool...? I'm VERY cool and hip if you count a staying home and watching DVDs of "24" and attending family birthday parties cool.

February 5, 2007 12:03 PM
 

viciousrumours said:

Come on, this isn't really a new thing.  It's just more readily accessible thanks to the digital age.  

Does anyone here actually believe that our parents didn't get together and bitch about us, their lives and how they thought they would be living WAY cooler lives than they were?  I mean seriously, no one really thinks their parents enjoyed bowling or canasta do they?  

I love my children.  I adore my children.  My children are the BOMB!  There are also days when I look at my children and feel as if all the life has been sucked out of my once promising brain.  I sometimes wonder where the witty, moderatly well dressed woman who could converse on a multitude of subjects went.  There are even days when I.....*audible gasp* don't like my kids and can dream of nothing more than running off to a tropical island where a young, tan man named Pedro feeds me umbrella drinks on the beach.

Anyone that says this is new to parents of this generation is fooling themselves. Ask your mom, I'm guessing there were days when she wished she'd lost you on the way home from school.

February 5, 2007 1:18 PM
 

crunchy carpets said:

Crank...you are hip and cool...you are so hip you bum fell off!

I will give Babble a chance mainly because I love the crew of bloggers at strollerderby..but only if they stop making me feel old and unhip.

And Viscous...my mom never had the angst that we put ourselves through...neither did my mil.

I really don't think the older generations overthought things as much as we do.

My mom has admitted she was oblivious and just did whatever was considered the 'norm.'!

February 5, 2007 2:10 PM
 

Rachael Brownell (Redsy) said:

Yes, god love the norm, for fuck sake! I'm with you, Crunchy, our mothers never thought about mothering as much as we do (it's a goddamn intellectual PAST-TIME for chrissakes).

And even if they *did* want to let the school bus occasionally run us over, they were so high on cocktails and valium they probably didn't notice their discontent until the bras they started burning....

February 5, 2007 2:15 PM
 

bbbgmom said:

I like Babble because of the different perspectives and the sometimes less polite (but refreshing) banter than that which is found on parentsplace and babycenter.  But all in all, while firmly plunked within the Gen X demographic in terms of age (38) I have never felt hip nor cool, nor is that important to me.  Having kids is something I always wanted to do... I never suffered the "loss of youth" stuff that some people seem to - which is partly why some of the blogs and features are so entertaining.  Though most of the bloggers appear to live pretty conventional lives (like me), they write of their lives in entertaining terms.  I doubt anyone is delusional enough to think his or her experience is any more stupendous or noteworthy than anyone else's - I hope not, anyway!!  I appreciate hearing from hip/cool people and those who argue against them!  Keep up the good work!

February 5, 2007 2:24 PM
 

Crank Mama » Blog Archive » Blog Award Nominee…?? Who Me?? said:

February 5, 2007 2:42 PM
 

Cynical Parenting Apologist: All Out of Snark Part II - Parenting - The Imperfect Blog said:

February 5, 2007 5:37 PM
 

Rachel said:

I like irony sometimes. But too much of it is like a steady diet of ice cream, a little nauseating. Sometimes I feel like a lot of the big blogs are written in exactly the same style/ voice, to the point that if I covered up the banner I would have no idea whose blog it was.

February 5, 2007 9:07 PM
 

Crank Mama » Blog Archive » Cynical Parenting Apologist: All Out of Snark Part II said:

February 5, 2007 10:35 PM
 

Maujer said:

I might have come off as a little cranky, I admit, but geez, Pollack's book (which yes, okay I haven't read) is CALLED Alternadad. How else is it supposed to be marketed? Can it be taken seriously with that title?

My complaint, if you want to call it that, (if you care, I mean, I'm not actually sure any of this was directed at me, but I was throwing around the buzzwords a bit so I feel  like I should respond), is that while parenting may be a timeless and universal condition, I'd like to read about different kinds of people doing it. Which I do -- just not at this site. I get more practical advice from Babycenter than I do from Urbanbaby, and frankly, many of the lives on Babycenter seem more interesting. You all are good writers -- funny, edgy, hip, sincere. Your children are all adorable. I'm sure you have great things to say. Just... something about it all makes me want to hear a more diverse group of parenting voices.

February 6, 2007 12:06 AM
 

CreativeTypeDad1 said:

So those of us who don't read Family Fun, Parenting magazine,  iVillage and don't stop being our goofy selves when we're parents are freaks?

O.K. I can live with that.

February 7, 2007 12:00 PM
 

beansquat said:

to me babble is about telling it straight. there is a kind of prissy polite sanctimonious "party line" sensibility in a lot of other parenting magazines and communities. what i like about this place is that the opinions are forthright. coolness is not the issue. keep it up folks.

February 8, 2007 8:56 PM

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