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Same-Sex Marriage: "A Tiny, Symbolic, Semantic Grain of Happiness"

Posted by Shannon LC Cate

For those of you who missed it, here's Keith Olberman of MSNBC on the passage of Proposition 8, overturning the right to same-sex marriage in California:

 

Olberman makes some excellent points, but the one quibble I have with him is the notion that marriage is merely a semantic point when other legal options--like civil unions--exist.  If it isn't called "marriage" an enormous loophole is created, allowing legislatures to come in and rewrite rights and privileges for "married" people only.  We have to have one word for one set of rights and responsibilities.

 

See Also:

 

Hey White Queers: Don't Get All Sarah Palin, Now

Adoption Ban Passes; Fails to Eliminate Queers and their Spawn from the Earth

Bringing Some Color to Capitol Hill

Separation of Church and State=Same-Sex Marriage

 

 


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Comments

 

K said:

But it's *not* one set of rights and responsibilities. It's two, at least. One set is from your religion, under which you enter the sacrament of marriage; the other is from your government, under which you enter the legal arrangement unfortunately commonly called marriage.

Marriage should stay a religious notion, and the government notion should be called something else, and you can have one or the other or both, with only the rights and responsibilities of whichever one(s) you have.

November 16, 2008 2:19 PM
 

Shannon LC Cate said:

It's interesting to me how much some people cling to idea of religious marriage, considering how worldly the institution was considered to be by the early Church.  It was recognized as merely a government thing for many years.  You could come to the church for a blessing AFTER getting married, but churches didn't start actually conducting marriages or considering marriage a sacrament (for sects that use the term "sacrament") until quite recently, in historical terms.

November 16, 2008 11:38 PM
 

Lula said:

Legal next-of-kinship status is neither symbolic nor semantic. I'm surprised he phrased it that way. ???

November 18, 2008 9:40 AM
 

Alice said:

I'd be rather happy, actually, if it were just a semantic issue. It would still suck, but it would suck while queer folks had free access to the 1000+ federal rights that are reserved for married folks only. I think that it was a good monologue for what it was, and I think it may fill a gap - 'I'm a straight guy, and see, other straight folks? This isn't threatening at all! I still feel passionately, but I'm a safe person to say all of this. Stop being freaked out.'

But when I heard the 'semantic' thing, as well as the statement that none of his professional acquaintances (Rachel Maddow) have experienced 'prejudice that still pervades their lives' it just underlined the fact that very liberal, smart people still don't get it. Maybe Maddow doesn't feel that she experiences pervasive prejudice, but I would disagree. She's placed in much femme-ier clothing on air to mask her butchiness and make her unthreatening, and even though she and Susan can marry in MA and have it still be legal in NY (don't know if they are), they can't be married federally, and they *don't* have access those 1000+ rights that they would have access to were gay marriage legal. All legalized prejudice is pervasive.

November 18, 2008 6:49 PM

About Shannon LC Cate

Shannon LC Cate, PhD is a lesbian housewife and work-from-home mother of two girls via domestic, open, transracial adoption. They are both under five and already too brilliant and beautiful for their own good. Shannon lives, writes and assembles tricycles in Chicago, Illinois.

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