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French Politician at Work 5 Days After C-Section

Posted by Miriam Axel-Lute

Rachida Dati, French justice minister, attended a cabinet meeting last week five days after giving birth by c-section. It might not be giving a speech while leaking amniotic fluid, but the move sparked a lot of outrage across France, with a majority of the public saying it was "too soon" and she should have used more of the four months (six weeks before, ten after. swoon.) she had coming to her.

In fact, another minister has proposed a measure in response to explicitly state that expected practice is that a deputy will step in for a politician on maternity leave to increase the number of people in those kind of jobs who actually take their leave.

I'm of mixed minds on the whole reaction. Of course I would dearly love to be in a country where we are arguing over whether someone should take maternity leave that we assume is available to us, especially after the heart-wrenching stories people put in the comments to my last post on maternity leave. And the additional proposal sounds dandy.

But then we get to the whole mommy police thing. Sure, I personally cringe at the thought of anyone popping off to a meeting five days after either giving birth or having major abdominal surgery, let alone both. But is it the end of the world? Is one woman making that choice really going to constitute dangerous pressure on other women to do the same, as French women's groups are suggesting? I guess I can see it might make some employers feel more free to push for short use of leave, but I'm still inclined toward the "Lay off!" side of this one. It's just not going to work the same for everyone.

And, of course, it needs to be said that fathers don't get the same kind of treatment.

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gpgirl said:

I really think this is a cultural issue. France was run by a socialist government for a very long time, and still have a lot of socialists elements. Therefore, it is not unusual to dictate what someone will have to do. In the US, this would sound absurd.

Also, I often hear people say that they would love to have the kind of maternity leave they have in France. However, you do have to remember that there are trade-offs. One being much higher taxes, but another also being living in a generally more restrictive society. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but just that there are always trade-offs.

January 13, 2009 9:07 PM
 

ambid1 said:

gpgirl,

I agree that the taxes are higher in France (although the system is engineered to lower your tax burden in direct relation to the number of kids that you have).

I just wanted to ask what perceived societal restrictions there are in France? Say, with respect to the US. I am not saying that there are not - just that I am curious as to what they are perceived to be.

January 14, 2009 11:28 AM
 

ohslowburn said:

Hate to say this, but....

It's France. She's female. She's not French by ethnicity. She's the rare female and minority in French government. And unfortunately, everything I've heard about France suggests a sexist and racist society - I'm not surprised she went back to work. For all we know she might have felt like she didn't want to give people cause to criticize.

And would she have escaped criticism if she'd stayed home longer? Especially from those who are as unwelcoming of migrants and the non-French in France?

It was probably no-win.

January 14, 2009 11:59 AM
 

gpgirl said:

ambid, here is one example. When you go to college (or don't go) at age 18, your career path is pretty much set. In the US, I know people who decide to do something different in their 30's or 40's, go back to school and have a new career. That is really impossible in France.

Also, although you do get great maternity leave, if you do decide to take a few years off to be with your kids, it is next to impossible to go back to work. Your old career won't want you back, because you deviated from the path, and you can't really start a new career. Yes, it is not super easy to go back to work after taking time off in the US, but it is exponentially harder in France.

If you think starting your own business instead of dealing with the corporate culture, forget it. If you do not already come from money, you will never be respected, no matter how big a business you build. In reality, you could never build that big of a business, because most of the big business connections would be off-limits to you.

Again, I am saying this is all a trade-off. There are obviously good things about the French system too. The money is distributed more evenly, so as long you as you are a French citizen, you will get health benefits, maternity leave, etc. In the US, this is really dependent on what socio-economic class you are in. You also get much more vacation, so you can spend more time with your family.

And, as much as I hate to admit it, ohslowburn has a point about the sexism and racism. I am white, so I can't speak specifically about racism (although I have seen it), but as a woman it is very difficult to work in France unless you are willing to flirt with all the higher-ups (who are mostly men) and keep yourself in awesome shape so you can stay attractive. If you don't look good, it is so hard to get a job. I have heard men say that they wouldn't hire a specific woman because she was too ugly. (Although I do think the younger generation of women are starting to fight against this. I have seen very attractive women in their 20's dress in baggy clothes because they want to be taken more seriously.)

January 14, 2009 12:37 PM

About Miriam Axel-Lute

Miriam Axel-Lute is a freelance writer, editor, poet, and urban planning junkie. She lives, works, and gardens in Albany, NY, with her two partners and daughter.

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