Childfree and B*tchy. Why Yes You Are

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tjgoldstein — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:01 GMT

Love they way my previous comment has not been published. Even after 10 days. So, its clear that the author is moderating all comments and only letting through what she wants. Nice.

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Eve1son — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:04:30 GMT

I have a son who is 6 yrs who I can tell you he is a handful. I do the timeout, The sit down lets talk and let me explain to you why your in trouble, the say yes maam, please and excuse me. Sit at the table till your done eating and you know what kids are going to be kids and I say that because my son has acted out in public. No one is perfect so I dont always blame the parent nor am I blaming the child. I just ask, dont be quick to judge us parents who are trying to do the best and it doesnt always show what we instill in our kids. All children go through a phase, so do us adults. Ones who have children, who cant bear or who just cant stand children. We all act out, if its how come my bill is this much or this meat isnt cooked all the way we act out!! =)I have been told, just let him be because I am constantly on my son on how to act, Im telling you he is one hyper kid. So what is it people, i let him be a kid or do I keep doing what Im doing? No one who is not dealing with what you are at home or in public is satisfied.

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Ingrid — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:43:42 GMT

I have no problem with children, per se. I have a problem with poorly behaved children and the parents who endulge them. Since children are a reflect of their parents, maybe my real problem is with the parents, hmm.

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Chris5 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:35:15 GMT

Good thinking Lana. You sound very intelligent. Don't ever let anyone talk you into anything you know isn't right for you.

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Lana — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:49 GMT

My mom always tells me that God sent me to keep the human species going...but...I don't want to HAVE kids. I want to adopt already born children and give them a better life instead of bringing in more children to overpopulate. I'm still a child myself, but I just tend to think more so than others.

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Chris5 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:37:39 GMT

Samantha Dear....bec_b is right. If you can't afford to STAY HOME and raise your own kid, you should keep your legs closed. If your husband (assuming you even have one) can't support you and your offspring, you should be childfree like the rest of us lucky folks.

As far as being a kid once, yes I was. My parents stayed home with me, and when they went out very rarely, they got a babysitter...familiar with that word at all? Paying ADULTS have a right to peace when they go out in public.

Breeding should be allowed only through licensing, and from what I've read on here, most of you would not have passed the required test. Stay home with the mess you made for yourself!!!!

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Chris5 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:21:12 GMT

Yes, those of us who are childfree DO know what we are missing. That's why we are childfree!!!! If we appear to be bitchy while we are listening to little Snotleigh's tantrum, it's because you self-absorbed, entitled breeders make us that way. You are not special. Breeding is something every species on the planet does daily. Get over yourself, and keep Bratney at home where she belongs, until he/she is old enough to sit down and shut up!!!

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Samantha — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:46:01 GMT

bec_b said that if you have to put your child in daycare, you shouldn't have had the child. Um...How do you recommend that I earn money to clothe, feed and provide shelter for my baby?

I am not saying that having a child is a burden in any way, but I do think that unless you have a child, you have NO right to have any sort of opinion about someone that does- and especially their children. It's kinda like that saying that unless you vote, you can't complain about the president. I don't care that you have had to be in the presence of a child with behaviour issues. You were a kid once too and I bet even if you think you were well-behaved, you weren't perfect 100% of the time.

If you don't want to be around children, don't go out in public.

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Skeeter — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:03:51 GMT

I am CF. And glad that I am.

If your child is acting out and unhappy at disneyland, I shutup and color. I have no right to complain, because I am at a child-orientated venue.

On that same note, be fair, when your little angel starts screaming at a romantic candlelit dinner, don't be upset when people complain.

If parents want their children to respected at child-orientated venues, then CF should be able to enjoy adult-orientated venues.

If you can't find a babysitter to watch your kid, then stay home. There is no point in ruining the night for everyone.

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Que? — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:00:59 GMT

Are you sure that the people you are complaining about are childfree?

My CF husband and I go to Disneyworld frequently. We don't spend a lot of time around kids, but something we fully understand and expect is that at Disney the kids are going to be over-excited and exhausted, and understandably have a few tantrums. The behavior doesn't bother us at all, because we expect it. In fact, being surrounded by kids at Disney is great because their excitement is contagious.

You might be surprised that the scowling, intolerant person is actually a parent, while the smiling, indulgent one is CF.

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Amy — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:07:01 GMT

Kids can be SO annoying. When I am out in a nice restaurant, shopping, a movie anywhere I want to have a nice time, it totally ruins my peace & enjoyment to have some kid yelling or crying for no reason and the parents usually do NOTHING to stop it. I was in a movie theater just the other night, and there was a young kid TALKING through 3/4 of the movie and the stupid parents just SAT THERE!!! Yes, they may have been "trying" to keep it quiet, but Hello! it's a movie and people paid good money to hear the MOVIE not your dumb kid BABBLING gibberish!!!! It's people WITH kids that are rude, people without kids are just trying to ENJOY themselves without having to listen to incessant babbling, crying, yelling, whatever. If your kid acts up, TAKE IT OUT OF THE PLACE, don't just SIT THERE like a moron!!!!!!!! And guess what? I DON'T hate kids, I like them, I just HATE when they ruin something I'm trying to ENJOY!!

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kidsmaybe — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:27:32 GMT

To me, ill-behaved children are like cigarettes; I don't allow them in my home, why should I have to put up with them elsewhere? That being said, it really boils down to the parent. Oh, you have your story here about places being non-screaming-child friendly, but did it ever occur to you where you are bringing your child?

Was it Princess Anne or Princess Margaret that said that parents shouldn't let their children run like wild mules everywhere, and wonder why they get poor marks for citizenship at school?

It depends on the parents' intelligence in what is a child-appropriate location, and whether the parents can curb said child. If they scream, either take them out in the parking lot until they calm down, or give them the Childrens' Chewable Valium that you have been pilfering from them....BTW when your precious little snowflake is addicted to all the drugs they can get his/her precious little hands on at 14...well, obviously, I don't know anything, because only selfish, irresponsible and immature people don't have children, right?

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Megera — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:24:35 GMT

Why don't some of us like children?

Because they're often poorly tended and their ugly, unhealthy and spoiled behavior should be banned from public just like smokers blowing their cancer clouds around them. If your kids are well behaved, *we're not talking about you*. We don't notice you 90% and we are glad of it. Or didn't. Now well behaved and sweet children are so rare I find myself remarking on it and smiling at both parents and children - probably a mistake since everyone seems to hate people who don't want or like children around them. But i like every rare and vanishing breed and sweet, unspoiled children seem to be one.

The really sad thing is that if you are one of the people with well behaved children, you already know enough to control your kids and we don't need to try to circumvent being put anywhere near you and your kids. If you're not, no kind of trying to work around you will meet with your approval because like the people who won't take their screaming baby out of a theater, you just won't understand why you should even try. We should all love your screaming part parrot part monkey child.

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TeenageMomPolice — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:42:30 GMT

exactly, loulou.

Just like all childfree's should not be thrown under one umbrella as child-hating, self-centered, arrogant aholes (as several people in this thread have shown themselves to be...), all parents should not be viewed as people who allow their children to run rimshod in public and be rude, obnoxious, or a combination thereof.

There is a distinction between the groups, and my main issue with this thread so far is not that people who dont have children (and even us that DO have children) have low to no tolerance for bad behaving kids and their crappy parents, it's the fact that there are good parents with good kids who don't let them interfere with other individuals lives/outings/plane rides get no acknowledgement whatsoever.

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Ryane — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:33:20 GMT

I do not have any children but I don't mind them being around. What I DO mind is how often those with children have a false sense of appropriateness. I'm sorry but YES, I am annoyed when I go to a BAR and someone has brought their whiny kid. YES, I am annoyed when someone brings their whiny kid to an ADULT dominant party. YES, I am annoyed when someone brings their whiny kid to a MIDNIGHT showing movie. If some parents would learn that though you may want to take your kids everywhere, children are not meant to BE everywhere then maybe the "childless" wouldn't shoot you dirty looks.Having little kids around can completely change the environment of wherever you are at. If I want to go to a bar and hang with my friends and drink and have fun...seeing a three year old sitting close by is going to make me tone down my speech topics and anything else because I have respect for children. Also, a lot of parents let their kids run around and act crazy. That is annoying. Soo, it may not be that the "childless" don't like kids...it's that the childless don't understand why parents just don't have a sense of appropriateness with their kids.

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Lindsey — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:17:16 GMT

Hmm..I am childfree and I don't think that I should have to live in special child free areas, nor do I feel i should have to burdened by parents who don't teach their children how to behave in public and enforce it. Just because you have a child doesn't mean you can go off into public and allow them to annoy people. Most kids are great,, then there are the ones who have been raised like a pack of wild wolves...they need to reside at the zoo in a cage, I need not more to a retirement community.

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loulou — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:49:09 GMT

Sheesh, I am raising 5 kids, 4 of my own plus a foster. Three teens, a tween and a 7 year old. I would take my kids anywhere, I coach 2 soccer teams and have a revolving door of friends and friends of friends. Kids are a product of their upbringing. My kids are respectful, mannered and engaging. Don't lump them!

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bec_b — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:59:26 GMT

Most people I know just stick their kids in daycare all day because they don't like to be around their own kids(though they word it differently). Parents say they need the money and they have to work. There are those that need to work and those that choose to work. They don't need the big house, the fancy cars, or the material things, but they choose to

let some 20 year old raise their kids.

Of course you think your kids are great, you only see them 4 hours a day!!!!

If you can't raise them yourself you shouldn't have them.

If you choose material items over actually raising your own kids you should have used birth control like me.

I understand working once a child goes to school, but putting an infant or toddler in daycare all day so someone else can teach them to walk and talk is not parenting.

No wonder you think your kids are Gods gift to the world...you only see them several hours a week.

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oceanmom62 — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:47:28 GMT

I had 2 incidents lately with unruly kids. At Red Lobster, on date night with my husband, the bly next to us ran all over the restaurant and even climbed UP and sat on the windowsill! Mom kept calling him back to sit by her and yet she let him sit on the aisle side of the booth! Yesterday I was at a swim meet and trying to use the restroom. Children were blocking the entrance and squirting some sort of liquid candy at each other. They wouldn't get out of the way and were upset when I loudly said "excuse me". I HAVE a child- 17-years-old- and I STILL dislike poorly-behaved children. Do not take children somewhere where they are not capable of adhering to the behavior code- and yes, there is one for every place, even if it is unspoken. Yes, my child is well-behaved and others have commented on that. When she is not around me, I ask other adults how she was. I go to teacher conferences and ask her teachers about her behavior. It is MY job to raise a productive human being and this is one job I take seriously!

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Sam — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:44:42 GMT

I think that you baby makers are getting the wrong idea. I am one of those people who give dirty looks and ban your kids from my house. Why? Because you think your kids are "too cute". Sure they are cute. But it isn't cute when they break, distroy or disrespect my stuff and all you have to say is sorry. I want you to say I will pay for it reguardless of the price. Your kid broke it or ruined it because you thought they were so cute and let them run free as apposed to keeping a "close eye" on them. I want you to feel that I want to drop kick you when you kid ruins my stuff like I would do any other adult that did. It isn't ok because your kid did it. You all feel hurt when you start to get shunned from events. Its because your kid breaking and ruining things is equal to the drunk jerk who later barfs on my couch, new carpet, or whatever. Its a mood killer as well as a budget killer. Ask around its why so many people loose friends after having kids. They think the rules change about you break it you bought it.

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childfree — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:46:29 GMT

sounds more like "with child and bitchy"

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ECMD — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:37:40 GMT

Banning unsupervised teenagers from a mall has nothing to do with "hating children." I am a soon-to-be parent and love kids, but agree about the mall issue. I'm surprised people are taking such an affront to this. It's private property. What's the big deal? I was a teenager who hung out at the mall and I can see why vendors wouldn't want me there. I never spent any money and annoyed the customers who might have.

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o_k70 — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:19:32 GMT

Nakia said: "Apparently your mom didn't teach you how to behave!!!!"

Yet you used the same curse word as the person you just called out. Nice.

Things won't change, kids will be in public, people will keep breeding because that is what they are taught to do. Both sides just need to be considerate. There are good parents,there are bad parents. There are people without children that like kids and there are those that find them irritating. Just live your life the best way you can and offend as few people you can in the process.

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hkman — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:46:52 GMT

I get that infants cry and there's not a whole lot the parents or anybody else can do. What I do resent is when a child is disturbing others in a public place and the parents don't even try to keep the kid quiet. Just flew a 4 hour flight and the 5 year old behind my row yelled the whole flight. The parents clearly knew the kid was disturbing others and did nothing to stop him. Would it have been so hard to ask the kid to talk quietly? He was basically giving a running commentary of the whole flight. Like most 5 year olds the very few times the mommy made the feeble effort to actually "shhhh" the kid he completly ignored them. When he ran away from his parents and they yelled for him to stop again he completly ignored them. You want to have kids great good for you but please for everybody's sake especially the kid have at least a little control over him.

I do not have the right to keep people awake for 4 hours on a plane listening to babble and parents neither do your kids.

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Nakia — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:38:13 GMT

CHILDLESS & GLAD said: TEACH YOUR KIDS HOW TO BEHAVE IN PUBLIC FOR OUR SAKE AS WELL AS THEIRS. yOU DON'T WANT THEM GROWING UP TO BE COMPLETE ASSHOLES WHO THINK THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT, DO YOU?

Apparently your mom didn't teach you how to behave!!!!

MaekR,

cuss around my kids at dinner and I will have your ass thrown out and/or cited.......I would rather liten to a child cry than an ADULT make an ass out of himself cussing..

PUBLIC means open to anyone...if you dont like kids crying then YOU STAY HOME AND EAT DINNER THERE, YOU NEVER LEAVE YOUR HOUSE SO THAT WAY YOU NEVER HAVE TO SEE AND OR HEAR CHILDREN.

i love that idea so much better.

Now for parents with out of control children... DICIPLINE them, if they are running all over the store leave your cart, take their little ass outside or even infront of everyone and spank them. My kids are well behaved but from time to time they have been known to act up...I will leave my cart ( on my way out I explain to the nearest employee) and take them out and diciplin them....now childless persons don't look at me like I am some crazy child abuser when I am dicipling MY child in public. You dont get it both ways, if I need to diciplin my child in public to YOUR peaceful public place then let me.

I understand both aspects