feedback for "No Sex, Please; We're Parents"

  1. My problem was not being "touched out", it was more like a simmering resentment of my spouse because all of a sudden I seemed to be doing ALL of the work. Way back in the Before Baby days we both worked hard at our jobs, and shared the housework, so I expected that he would take on a fair amount of the baby work too. I was totally smacked out of the blue by how much of the burden the mother has to bear and felt quite angry at him for quite a long time about how unfair it all was (and is).

    posted by : GiantPanda on 6/2/2008 at 8:27 AM Flag For Abuse

  2. Absolutely agree with GiantPanda. I think it's worth exploring that factor, too. Wow - I love how GiantPanda phrased "smacked out of the blue..." That captures my feeling completely. A decade after birthing kid number one we've leveled off a bit in how we share care, but do I ever remember the infant/toddler days and how bitter I felt about what I was saddled with.

    posted by : BBBGMOM on 6/2/2008 at 11:14 AM Flag For Abuse

  3. The last thing I want to so is act slutty after a hard day of chasing kids and clenching my teeth. If sex were just relaxing and low key I would do it a lot more. I hate the pressure to behave a certain way or look a certain way that is just not natural. I hate the fakeness of sex. These days it is all posing and trying to impress others with how much, how well, how long. There is no real romance involved with two real people. Two actors dressed as a hooker and the john more likely. These days sex seems so dishonest it is hardly worth the trouble. It just seems it is no longer from the heart but the head.

    posted by : Davis on 6/2/2008 at 12:44 PM Flag For Abuse

  4. Davis,
    If that is how sex is for you, you're doing it wrong.

    posted by : spartic99 on 6/2/2008 at 1:04 PM Flag For Abuse

  5. As a dad those comments above from GiantPanda and BBBGMOM make perfect sense to me. I think my wife would agree with you. I put in a couple hours of kid-time per day during the week, and more on the weekend, but there is no doubt that my wife does more, and resents me for not doing more, which may adversely effect our sex lives (or really sex life, singular). But frankly, I think there is more bread-winning pressure on me, and I don't know how to be successful at work while working less. What gives, or what should give? I don't know the answer.

    posted by : lazydad on 6/2/2008 at 2:31 PM Flag For Abuse

  6. Not only am I "touched out" at the end of the day, but my body literally *hurts*. I'm sore from crouching, crawling, carrying, and driving all day, and all I want to do is flop down on the couch and let my muscles relax. Maybe if I could convince him to let me lay there and have him do all the work... :)

    posted by : chyna823 on 6/2/2008 at 2:44 PM Flag For Abuse

  7. @Davis - I'm concerned that you or your partner have a quite warped view of sexual relations. I would strongly suggest counseling.

    posted by : k1 on 6/2/2008 at 2:56 PM Flag For Abuse

  8. Lazydad,

    Thanks for asking. I admit I was not as forthcoming with the "thanks for all your hard work" comments to my hardworking (bill-paying) husband in the early days. After all, I thought, I work outside the home, too! But, a little soul-searching and maturing and frank conversation led me to express outloud how I was grateful for his breadwinning (which was more than my breadwinning and allowed me a bit more flexibility.) What I really wanted from him in return was verbal appreciation - the "Our kids are lucky to have you as a mom... I am lucky to have you as a wife" stuff - Verbal hearts & flowers can spark a little desire after a long day of slogging home from work to be faced with creating dinner out of canned goods whilst bickering with a two year old! We had reached a bad point - where neither of us was expressive or outwardly thankful to the other. When hubby walked in the door, gave me a good kiss, picked up baby and played with him in the other room, poured me a glass of wine... my resentment would dissipate FAST. And we went on to have a few more kids... ;-)

    posted by : BBBGMOM on 6/2/2008 at 3:50 PM Flag For Abuse

  9. Um, what's with the Danimals yogurt drink reference? Blog product placement?

    posted by : honeybee on 6/2/2008 at 4:56 PM Flag For Abuse

  10. Lazydad, you have a point & everyone does need to be appreciated. But dang - it is hard to appreciate someone else when (with the wailing baby echoing in your head) you can barely see past the empty coffee cups and dirty clothes on the floor, that you convince yourself the spouse has left there on purpose to p*ss you off. Any attempts at romance will certainly backfire while that pile of clothes is still there on the floor!

    For myself, I am a breadwinner as well as a mom, and when I went back to work I very nearly had a serious mental and physical breakdown from the burdens that I was expected to carry on my seriously worn-out shoulders. I have since scaled down my career expectations and "drawn a line in the sand" at work, and I would love Mr. Panda to do the same. As I keep saying to him, I don't want a rich husband, and I am willing to do without the extra money because I would much rather simply have him around. You can always earn more money later on, but you can never buy back the time that you would have spent with the people that you love.

    posted by : GiantPanda on 6/2/2008 at 4:59 PM Flag For Abuse

  11. How about working up the drive to have sex with a spouse who tells you, "I'll help more when s/he's older and it's easier" who never did a single night through the baby year, and still doesn't help much. Oh, and makes/works far less than you. Those dirty dishes in the sink are the last straw. I fake it, and put out only enough to keep peace. And that sucks for how it should be. There is such a huge identity crisis for women in this situation, you simply lose yourself. With no one to help, no partner, its a long trip back, and maybe you find you just don't need the extra baggage. You have a child to care for already.

    posted by : MarriedSingleMom on 6/2/2008 at 10:11 PM Flag For Abuse

  12. All of these issues DO affect sex drive in either partner (more often women--especially when it comes to being touched out and taking care of kids). I currently find myself being the "lower" drive partner in my marriage.

    But the article that the author references isn't about the effect of children on sexual desire. It's about the fact that in many marriages, women are the ones who want sex more often and the men are the ones who aren't in the mood. Before my pregnancy, I WAS one of those women. I wanted sex so much more often than my partner. It was extremely frustrating to be a childless couple with no real sexual buzzkills and still be asking three to four times more often than I was getting.

    What does the author have to say about that? When her daughter is older and not hanging on her all the time, is she the higher or lower drive partner? Does she even understand what it is like to be asking and getting turned down far more often than being told yes?

    posted by : Kit_n_Kumari on 6/2/2008 at 10:59 PM Flag For Abuse

  13. Where is the original picture attached to this article...? There was a cute picture here, and now is gone, and a boring picture is up...????
    MangoPie

    posted by : MangoPie on 6/3/2008 at 12:42 PM Flag For Abuse

  14. MarriedSingleMom--I could have written your comment. My husband works part time, does NOTHING around the house because "a clean house isn't important," does NOTHING with the baby because "she likes you better anyway," and complains about how I emasculate him. I accepted that I'd have one baby to take care of and now I have two.

    posted by : Shines33 on 6/3/2008 at 1:18 PM Flag For Abuse

  15. This article could have been written about me. I actually have to remind myself to give my husband some kind of physical attention, because I'm totally touched-out. I just want space.

    posted by : AllisonWonder on 6/3/2008 at 5:43 PM Flag For Abuse

  16. I guess we all should remember that marriage is based on intimacy. A lack of intimacy, well, it seems that it troublesome for a marriage.

    posted by : promises on 6/4/2008 at 3:08 PM Flag For Abuse

  17. Wow, I feel luckier and luckier with each post I've read. My husband did the baby year at night entirely on his own. I was unable to breast feed and if awakened I do not get back to sleep. We both work professionally and we both work at home. We have battles and whine and get tired at times, but for the most part we have hit a routine that is mostly satisfactory for both of us.

    However, we don't have sex as much as we used to. We're tired. I'm a social worker and honestly, sometimes when I get home, I do not want to be needed by anybody else that day. I wouldn't say I'm "touched out", but at times, I don't want to pay attention to anybody or anything. And he's tired too. Sex takes finesse and initiative. Seduction requires energy and focus. We're in short supply of all these things most of the time.

    However, when we do have sex, we usually say, "Why don't we do this more often?"

    To those with part-time fathers/providers/husbands, I wonder why you bother.

    posted by : Lucky on 6/5/2008 at 9:24 AM Flag For Abuse

  18. I too feel somewhat lucky reading some of these comments.. Although my husband was useless during the early baby days - and I resented the hell out of it, he has improved by leaps and bounds.

    This rang very true with me though. There are so many times that I turn him down and can't really put my finger on why. Part of it was the fact that he would initiate something early in the evening (to let me know he wanted us to make some time later) which was kind of sweet and thoughtful, but it started the clock in a sense. From then on I felt I was in a race to get the kids bathed, fed, down..bath myself, do my normal stuff - or have to push it aside and the minute the kids were down he was right there ready. I finally told him "honey, I can't go from mommy to lover in less than a minute" I really need a little while to decompress from the day, to gather myself, to take care of things I've been putting off because I was caring for them. I need time to get out of mommy mode or I just feel lost sexually. I think he's sort of getting it and he's not putting near as much pressure on me to 'hurry up and come to bed', so I guess we're making progress.

    Like the other commenters above when we're finished I'm thinking 'wow!' why don't I do this more often? I probably need to be a little more considerate of his needs now that he's trying to consider mine..

    posted by : that girl on 6/5/2008 at 9:59 AM Flag For Abuse

  19. And honestly "that girl" sex is a need for us wives and mothers as well. I always feels more relaxed and like myself after even a brief sexual interlude.

    I think that for me I became more receptive to sex when I realized that both of us are willing to take pretty much any kind of sex we can get these days! We rarely have the spontaneous sex in kinky positions, (and sometimes public places!), or long drawn out make-out sessions with candlelight, but hell, we know how to hit the right spots and have a good time regardless. We also have a sense of humor about it. For example, I recently asked him this as we heard our son stirring from his nap, "I bet we have a good 10 minutes before he's fully awake, wanna do it?" We both laughed and ended up "doing it" later.

    In general, I get tired of sex being considered a "need" for men only. Women need sex too. It's not the case that the only women who enjoy sex are the nymphos with bizarre drives and needs that you read about in books and see in movies. All of us need it. Sex is great.

    posted by : Lucky on 6/5/2008 at 10:12 AM Flag For Abuse

  20. Sex is an extremely difficult topic. I don't feel I'm useless as a father. I work an office job where my star is in ascendant at work. I provide health insurance and a steady paycheck. I come home, and I clean and launder. I do a goodly share of caring for our two children when I'm home. My wife is building a practice, and my steady office job is much needed and valued. It buys her both breathing space and a chance to spend more time with the boys than if she were also working an office job.

    At first, it was the little gestures. The jerking away, the silent redirection of my hopeful, roaming lips and hands. The flinching. The rejection. It was 'fine' during the pregnancies and for a year after. But the situation persists, and they take a toll. There's just no window for spontaneity - despite having opportunities. It's probably not helping that I've lost a lot of patience for over-elaborate preparation that goes nowhere and feels fake. Compounding it, I'm a morning person and she's a night owl. Worked great when they were newborns for the feeding schedule! Not so much now.

    Discussion doesn't seem to be productive. I admit I wasn't at first the most attentive about the household. But I ramped up, despite it feeling increasingly transactional.

    I was having a really hard time of it a while back, but I eventually found an equilibrium to get me through the day. It's not satisfying. I walk around, feeling freezer-burned most of the time - except when I'm with my kids.

    She tries to praise me for what I do around the house, for what a good dad I am. She likes to stress how much she loves me, but it doesn't help me feel better. It does not help to hear 'it's not you, it's me' for five years. AT ALL. Sometimes my anger over the situation flares up - I got married to never have sex again? - but I have it under control enough so that I don't overtly add to my wife's easily-triggered anxieties. I don't want to do that. I love my wife. She's stressed enough about her practice. She's not doing all this on purpose. And I would do anything for my children and their well-being.

    This oh so wonderfully segues into the overall question of what is a paternal identity in 21st century NYC. My dad, if he ever had a free moment from his shop business, and the mental bent for self-examination, would have likely also wondered what it meant to be a man in the 60's.

    Hope and faith...

    posted by : Organization Man on 6/6/2008 at 3:14 AM Flag For Abuse

  21. The fact is, children are the kiss of death to marital sex. I've been married 19 yrs, and have a 14 year old and 9 year old. I work 50-60 hours per week as a lawyer, often more, juggling peoples lives like a circus clown, I come home, do the dishes, vacuum the house, yell at the kids to do their homework, play taxi driver to baseball, soccer, guitar, and church activities. My wife is a stay at home mom with a cleaning addiction. She does all the during the day activities with the house and kids, arranges for dinner, and then retires to the bedroom to watch tv with a "call me when you tuck the kids in." Except for once every couple of months, she rejects my every effort to slide past the middle of the bed. It has been that way ever since the first kid. Otherwise, we have a great marriage and this does not seem grounds to sink the ship. I just didn't know I was signing on for this virtual celebacy when we had kids. I pretty much gave up after the second child and just try to enjoy a beautiful and usually pleasant roommate. On the rare occasions when sex happens, I just sit and wonder what triggered that? All I can say is, men, get your fill before agreeing to have kids and plan to put it on ice afterwards.

    posted by : AllegedlyLazyDad on 6/6/2008 at 3:13 PM Flag For Abuse

  22. Boy, am I glad I never had kids! My sex life is smoking hot. I plan to keep it that way.

    posted by : ChildFreeAndLovingIt on 6/6/2008 at 7:33 PM Flag For Abuse

  23. No need to write off that sex life, just because you have kids. It does require more communication than ever, and that is the tough part. I think you need a larger repertoire of options. Try this:
    1) whatever you were doing before kids;
    2) the true quickey;
    3) take things into your own hands, with a little help from that tired wife;
    4) perhaps she would like you to deposit that pent up energy in some untraditional location -- find one she likes.
    5) perhaps there is a night, when she is tired, she would like to have sex, but can ask you to do the work. Sounds like there is a lot of energy on at least one side of the equation so this should not be a problem.

    I guess the point is that there are limitless options to explore, some of which are more suited to a tired partner.

    I also think, a week or two week declared break from sex can really take the pressure off.

    Any other ideas out there regarding post parenting sex?

    posted by : working on it on 6/7/2008 at 3:13 PM Flag For Abuse

  24. There can always be the possibility of a physical problem (organizationman may want to look into this) that can affect a woman's sex drive. There are lots of different disorders, but one in particular is called vulvodynia and basically means that sex (and other things involving those parts like sitting, bikes, tampons) can be painful or uncomfortable. Check out www.nva.org

    posted by : AnotherPossibility on 6/7/2008 at 11:02 PM Flag For Abuse

  25. Write-off post-marital sex? Why bother to be married?

    When I have a moment to read it I found the book Mating in Captivity useful. http://www.amazon.com/Mating-Captivity-Reconciling-Erotic-Domestic/dp/0060753633

    I think it does all boil down to intimacy and mutual appreciation. Like Giant Panda and BBGMOM I also resented the hell out of my husband for not having to give up as much as I had to. When our daughter approached one year old and I went back to work it started to get better. It also started to get better when I stopped waiting for him to partner with me on things like creating storage in our apartment or even safety proofing. I looked into a babysitting service and a handyman and told him that saving the money by doing these things ourselves was a false economy if it cost us our marriage.

    Not waiting for him to do things freed me to feel like I could enjoy being intimate with him without the resentment. And, in the end, my moving on motivated him to get on with the DIY.

    posted by : cocoa on 6/8/2008 at 7:46 AM Flag For Abuse

  26. Has anyone tried talking with their Spouse about the problems? To the men, Try this: GIVE YOUR WIFE THE DAY OFF.... from everything. call her sister/mom/friend and plan a lunch for them at her favorite place to eat. YOU STAY HOME AND CLEAN AND TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS. send her to the spa or to the gym or movies...what ever she likes, just remind her that there is life outside of being a mother.then, have babysitter plan to keep the kids for the evening. make her a candle lit dinner, after dinner, make her a hot bubble bath, so she can relax. Just DO NOT EXPECT to have sex becaus of your efforts.

    To the Women: As a married man, I can honestly say "We can't fix, what we do not know is broken" - tell us what you are thinking.

    It does not matter who the bread winner is, while your husband is at work, you are working in the home. While you may not get paycheck for what you are doing, it is still work, nontheless. So when hubby gets home from his day of work, why is his workday finished and your day continues. it should be fair and equal. but you must communicate to remind him.

    posted by : Communicate on 6/8/2008 at 9:46 AM Flag For Abuse

  27. This is not a problem with women alone. Many fathers (like me) are more the jungle gyms, as well as bread winners.

    The article seemed somewhat one sided. The fact is that both men and women, fathers and mothers, and same-sex couples are affected, particularly in a society that forces:

    - both parents to work
    - a stigma on the home keeper vs. bread winner. Now, everyone works more for less, as well as to satisfy our own self esteem. What is the word? Yes, SELFISHNESS.
    - Moving due to work/life complexities to places with no friends and no direct family support. (grandparents, uncles/aunts closeby).

    In my case, things are not well at all. The combination of all 3 of the above have taken their toll. My wife has lost interest on anything besides work and our child and I've lost interest on her. No sex in 2 years. No interest in having more kids from my side.

    I write this as a word of warning. BE PREPARED to have kids. Accept the humility and sacrifice that comes with parenting. Really think seriously about moving somewhere close to a family/friend support structure. Last, but not least, TRULY discuss and ACCEPT (REALLY ACCEPT) your mutual responsibilities before you have children. Otherwise, DON'T. Many couples are happy without kids.

    posted by : sad_dad on 6/8/2008 at 2:39 PM Flag For Abuse

  28. The original article talked about having kids eat on your laps, curling up in bed with them at 2 am and things like that. If that's the stuff that wears you dwon, don't do it.
    The issue is not whether a woman wants to be touched (I do understand the transition my wife needs to make from "MOM" to "WIFE") or is trying to get some time to herself, the big issue what is important in the relationship. We had sex much more before kids but it is the small things that have faded as we have had more kids. Sometimes when a man gives you a kiss or nuzzles your neck, he is not expecting a strip tease all out sex tour-de-force. many times it is just his way of showing that although there has been lots of laundry and shuttling the kids and cleaning house and all that, he still finds his wiife attractive and appreciates all she does.
    BTW... We both work full time. I do most of the cooking, all of the grocery shopping, shuttle the kids to 90% of their activities, & help out with cleaning the house. I eat right and try to stay in shape while owning my own business. It is not always about sex but just feeling like she is still attracted to me. She says she loves me all the time but getting a kiss back, a spontaneous grope, or even initiating any intimacy is more important to let me know she still loves me.
    We have been commicating more and the results are improved...just an occasional touch when she walks by or a longer than usual good-bye kiss in the morning has helped.
    More importantly, she has gone from flat out "NO!" to "I've had a really stressful day (or what ever) how about we just cuddle up together tonight & tomorrow we can do more." Again, it keeps the attraction part going and instead of flat rejection, gives hope buut on her terms. Good enough. Nuf said.

    posted by : huligin1313 on 6/8/2008 at 3:28 PM Flag For Abuse

  29. (Sigh) Well, there is an ounce of relief in knowing that this dilemma is not a result of bad marriage, that this frustration is common.
    When our daughter was a baby, I did 97% of the caring for our child. I know my husband wanted to do more but considering I breastfed, there wasn’t much he could do when the baby fussed. Most days if the baby was crying because she was hungry and I was doing something (i.e. cooking or dishes) he’d stand in the kitchen doorway rocking the baby but letting her see me so she would stop crying. That meant I had to hurry up and finish what I was doing (because he was not going to do it) and feed her. Any of you mom’s who have breastfed, I am sure you know how tiring (and, sometimes, painful) that can be. But more than that, you can’t get anything else done! My husband doesn’t cook, so if I couldn’t do it, it wouldn’t get done. I learned quickly and began buying prepped foods that all he had to do was put in the oven for a set amount of time. He was “cooking” dinner in no time!
    When our daughter got a little older my husband would come home from work he and take our daughter out for a walk which gave me time to prepare dinner. It wasn’t sweeping the house or cleaning the bathrooms, but it was his way of helping out, giving me a break, and bonding with our child.
    Many nights I was too tired for sex, and the “foreplay” became mundane. As if rubbing a nipple would instantly turn on the sex switch. Many nights I found myself screwing my face in the dark at his efforts thinking, “What is he doing?” Sometimes, I’d have sex so that my husband would not feel unfulfilled. I know, as much as we love each other, that if I were to constantly be unavailable to him he would become pretty frustrated (I know I would). And, for every time I say no, there is someone out there who will say yes. I don’t EVER want my actions to lead to that temptation. Sad_dad, I am curious to know if you have ever been tempted to seek fulfillment outside of your marriage. Many people are okay with self-satisfaction, but some need more. That is always a potential downside of not making time to be intimate with your spouse. Another downside is that your spouse feels unwanted. My libido is like a roller coaster. It has it slow points, but at other times I am on fire. There are times when my husband is too tired and tells me no. There is a small sense of rejection, but I know if he is saying no, he MUST be tired. However, if I heard no every time I made a sexual advance, I’d feel pretty hurt and rejected. I understand being tired, but we are still married and sex is a part of marriage. Besides, most of the time when you let go of the stresses of your day/life and just focus on the moment and being close to your spouse, you’ll find that you’re enjoying the sex, too. There have been quite a few times I did it for him but half way through, I found much pleasure and release in it. Not having sex is stressful. Not having sex on purpose is even more stressful. Who needs that in addition to everything else? Even when I am mad at him, there is something about sex that is calming. Sometimes it makes it easier for us to discuss things afterwards, and he’s usually more receptive to what I have to say. Now, whether or not he remembers it in a few days is another story. But that just seems to be the nature of things…

    posted by : AndThenSome on 6/9/2008 at 1:14 AM Flag For Abuse

  30. How about the situation where neither party is that interested in sex? Is this necessarily a terrible thing?

    My wife and I have far less sex than we used to, and neither of us seems to mind that much, although I think she feels more guilty about it than I do, largely because the conventional wisdom seems to be that you need to "keep your husband satisfied at home."

    We have a baby in our bedroom, our sleep is erratic, and the bottom line is that other things are more important to both of us right now.

    When I was younger I measured my happiness largely based on how often I was having sex and with whom. Before you are married you get more than just sex out of sex -- it's how you meet with / connect with new people; it's how you sample possible life partners; and it's how you measure you value in the marketplace. It has a lot more symbolic importance than simply getting off.

    Now, in my 40s, I feel much more affirmed in a number of ways -- I have found my life partner, I have a richer community, I have a hot wife which provides a kind of validation among my compatriots (let's face it, this is part of what motivates single guys -- to show off to one another), and I feel, broadly speaking, like a valued member of the community (sounds dorky but I think this central to most people's happiness). I don't need to have sex every day or even every week in order to validate myself, basically. Yes, I have sexual urges, but I am perfectly happy "abusing myself" a few times per week.

    Sure, I would like to have sex more in the future, and I am hopeful that my wife and I will get back into that rhythm. But I think this tendency, reflected somewhat in this discussion, to measure your marital satisfaction or life satisfaction based on how often you are getting it is based, at least partly on insecurity.

    The other factor is that I am really into my work and family life. I suspect that if I were bored now and then my thoughts would turn more often to sex, and sexual variety, which is something that, for better or worse, men seem to be wired to want (doesn't have to mean infidelity -- this can be achieved at home with wigs, new variations, or what have you).

    posted by : maybeotherthingsmattermorerightn on 6/9/2008 at 7:25 AM Flag For Abuse

  31. AllegedlyLazyDad

    I know a dozen women that would love to get their hands on a man like you. Your wife is a very lucky woman, and she should acknowledge that. You are giving alot of yourself, and you deserve more in return. I think some women don't quite understand the intimacy aspect of sex for men. Women think sex for men is a selfish act on the mans part, and do not realize that sex is also the way that they show affection and feel love and acceptance from their partner. I think maybe if your wife understood that it isn't just the physical act that you need, but also the connection to her that you desire, she might make herself available to you more often. You obviously love each other, try finding a book that expresses sexual intimacy from a man's point of view. I'm sure with this knowledge, she would be more than willing to meet you halfway. I know couples whose sex life greatly improved later on in their marriage. It's never to late, and you deserve to feel more fulfilled.

    posted by : hopethishelps on 6/10/2008 at 4:15 PM Flag For Abuse

  32. Great intro above into my comments... the book "The Five Love Languages" was very helpful to me, and I try (but don't always succeed) to remember what it taught me, which is that different people give and receive love differently, and if you don't recognize your partners "love language" you may not realize he/she is trying to express his/her love for you.

    My husband used to buy me expensive gifts, which did not resonate with me, and particularly annoyed me when I felt we could not afford them, or when they just weren't my style. I wanted gifts of "service". I used to joke that the best way to talk dirty to me was "honey I just mopped the floor". I have definitely LIVED bitter, angry, resentful weeks or months at a time when I felt that I was doing all the work at work and at home. And because I have a traditional career and my husband is self-employed, my job provides health care and stability, so part time or stay home is simply not an option for me - something else to occasionally resent, even though in truth, I do really like my work.

    I also have to remember that physical affection, and holding back on the criticism, is the love language that my husband needs. So I put out (though not nearly often enough) even when I'm not in the mood. I'm not faking it per se, just giving him what he needs, just like he gives me what I need when he empties the dishwasher without really enjoying it. The hard part is who goes first when you fall into that periodic valley of discontent where each party feels like they're not getting what they need and deserve. I can't f*ck angry, and he's not motivated to pick up his underwear when I'm bitchy every day, so I stay angry and he stays unsatisfied and bewildered about why I'm such a bitch. For me that's when we have to try to do the really hard work of letting go of the negativity and finding the good stuff so we can try to get back on track.

    There are several serious issues or disagreements we have, and while he is the typical male in the "I don't want to communicate about anything serious" way, I periodically press the issue, or remind him of my expectations for a healthy relationship. Whether it's needing your partner to do more housework, provide more physical affection, or something else, I think it's incumbent on the dissatisfied party to continue to voice your issues / needs / wants / questions in a constructive manner and to keep trying like hell not to give up. You married each other for a reason, and want to show your kids (those little rats who are innocently traumatizing your relationship) what a good, healthy, loving family relationship is made of. So if you won't do it for yourself, do it for the kids...

    posted by : Allison on 6/13/2008 at 4:20 AM Flag For Abuse

  33. AllegedlyLazyDad

    Why do you blame having children on your lack of a sex life, and not the fact that you work 50-60 hours a week? My husband is a lawyer too. He does dishes, diapers, and everything else too. What he doesn't do, however, is work 50-60 hours a week. Sure, there are times when he has big cases that require more prep, but we both decided that although he would make more money in private practice or working for a big firm (he's an asst state attorney general), we'd rather have him be more present as a husband and father.

    We make some sacrifices and don't have glamorous vacations, but we have a LOT compared to some people, and most of all we have each other and time together, (and sex).

    posted by : Lucky on 7/30/2008 at 11:31 PM Flag For Abuse

  34. Hey OrganizationMan:

    Ever think that your wife might be getting her needs satisfied elsewhere? Hate to say it, but I can really relate to your description of:

    "The jerking away, the silent redirection of my hopeful, roaming lips and hands. The flinching. The rejection."

    Happened with my Ex too once she started having an affair.

    Even if she's not, at this rate she is certainly vulnerable and as soon as the right guy comes around, she probably will. You guys have disconnected and she is not there for you.

    Call her on it and fight or start preparing yourself for your inevitable divorce.

    posted by : beenthere on 12/17/2008 at 2:47 PM Flag For Abuse


   
  
 
 
   


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