feedback for "Bad Parent: Baby Bigot"

  1. There have to be some other options for schools in as big a city as NYC. There are for us and we live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area which is has a huge population but isn't touted by the country at large as the beacon of diversity that NYC claims to be. At my toddler's school there is a conscious effort to choose a diverse population and to make sure children of different ethnicity don't cluster in the same classrooms. Also, the school staff population is very diverse as well.

    I recently visited some friends who live in different parts of the Boston area and was shocked by how racially segregated the areas where they lived were. We live in a normal middle class quiet suburban neighborhood and each one of our neighbors is of a different ethnicity. Finally, even though I am white and my dh is Indian we made a conscious decision to select an African-American pediatrician not only because we liked him best of all of the pediatricians we met but also because we felt is was important for our son to have authority figures in his life that were of different ethnicities than ours.

    You and your husband need to start making conscious decisions regarding how you raise your family in every area from what books you read to your kids (do they show a diversity of faces) to where you shop, etc. Toddler age isn't too young to start teaching values, manners, etc. I've been working on manners with my son for example. While sometimes it seems like an uphill battle with him he is learning and absorbing them.

    posted by : tcumom on 11/6/2008 at 5:52 AM Flag For Abuse

  2. What a lovely essay.

    I think the fact that you are asking these questions means that your son surely won't grow up to be a racist.

    posted by : me on 11/6/2008 at 9:32 AM Flag For Abuse

  3. Erin, As a black woman living in segregated Washington, D.C. I find your willingness to grapple openly with this issue courageous. I laughed at first because kids do say the darnedst things. You might consider simply telling him whenever he makes that mistake, "No, dear. He is a man; she is a woman, etc." I understand that you're embarassed but try not to be frightened. You are just doing the best you can like all of us parents are. If you're truly concerned I think it's a good idea to join a club or group that will give you the opportunity to meet others from different backgrounds. It's even easier to start by choosing books for him that feature a variety of faces so he can become familiar with them.

    posted by : Denkpaard on 11/6/2008 at 9:35 AM Flag For Abuse

  4. kids are famous for making us confront ugly truths- and not discreetly, either! kudos for rising to the challenge and more kudos in advance for your 'transformation'. you live in an incredible city with a great variety of opportunities for diversity. schools and neighborhoods are just two of them.

    posted by : fenn on 11/6/2008 at 11:02 AM Flag For Abuse

  5. I live in Miami and one would think that this is diverese... it's not. It's predominantly hispanics. It's also segregated. Most African-Americans live in "their" neighborhoods and depending on whether you go to private school or public school and also which side of town you are on, you may or may not have AAs in your class let alone in your school. I went to private school and thre was usually only one or two black people in the school. Needless to say, we are in a hurry to get out of here so that I can raise my daughter in a diverse multi-cultural setting. I do not want my child to be raised in a 'hispanic' only environment. I am cuban-american myself, and while I am proud of my heritage, I am not proud of how a lot of the older generation is racist. They even see black cubans differently than the 'other' blacks. It's frustrating to me. Even my own mother frustrates me on the topic.

    posted by : miami mom on 11/6/2008 at 12:54 PM Flag For Abuse

  6. Bravo! Open dialogue is so important when it comes to talking about race and culture. Both my husband and I are multiracial, so our families are pretty diverse, but I was raised in predominantly white communities and schools, so most of my friends growing up were white. Once I got to college, I was exposed to a wider range of races and cultures, and my friends now are from all sorts of backgrounds and walks of life. When my daughter was born I joined a Moms in Multiracial Families group so that she can be exposed to other diverse families. It's AWESOME! There are moms of all colors, creeds, and cultures (note: when we have potlucks, it's really great :-) The food is great).
    I like the suggestion from Denkpaard about joining a club or a group. While I don't think you're raising a bigot (you sound way too cool to do that), I do believe it's good for us to fill our lives with many different types of people. We have the chance to learn so much from one another and ultimately, it promotes a diverse outlook in our children.

    posted by : MomofBeans on 11/6/2008 at 2:12 PM Flag For Abuse

  7. Just wanted to join in the chorus of kudos here for you for looking a difficult topic straight in the eye. It's a mark of how freaked out white people are by race that I've typed and retyped this comment several times to make sure I got it right. It's scary to face up to our own buried prejudices and the inequality that still exists in this country. Good for you for raising the issue.

    And yes, speaking as a Bostonian: this supposedly liberal city is incredibly segregated! It's an embarrassment.

    posted by : Bunny 2 on 11/6/2008 at 3:00 PM Flag For Abuse

  8. Perhaps he has a toy dog or has seen one on tv that is brown, so he is trying to say "brown". He sounds pretty smart to me. Sending your kid to a segregated school that is expensive because it is segregated is a sure fire way to teach a child to feel uncomfortable with other races. I was the only white child in my kindergarden class. I grew up feeling normal in the company of diverse races and jittery in crowds of all one race. Naturally I married outside of my race and still have many friends of many colors, religions, ethnicities and religions. But I know if I had gone to the mostly white, baptist, private "good school" in our town I would have lived a very different life.

    posted by : Alice on 11/6/2008 at 3:12 PM Flag For Abuse

  9. This is a really good essay. I'll share our situation - same idea; we live in a very diverse city and a very diverse area. But my son started using the sign for "dirty" (also close to "pig") for anyone with dark skin. It was SO embarassing. We did what a commenter suggested and just corrected him with the sign for 'woman' and 'man' as appropriate but - gah.

    My son is 3.5 now and goes to a daycare/school without any white teachers where some of the teachers are hijab-wearing Muslims and they are just "miss [name]" to him. No worries. It will sort out if you keep at it.

    posted by : Shan on 11/6/2008 at 3:49 PM Flag For Abuse

  10. well.. if black celebs hang out in your neighborhood, you are not living in a racist part of town.
    All of this celebration of Obama winning really makes me think that America is still at the very beginning of the way to true equality. The moment people STOP making a big deal of having a black president is the moment we all need. The day when "first black president" will sound as needless as "the first freckled president" or "the first sun-burnt president" is really gonna be the day of change. Knowing who you (and other people)are but not having to mind it all the time - this is a confidence everyone needs to achieve

    posted by : DaintySplendor on 11/6/2008 at 4:13 PM Flag For Abuse

  11. While I strive to raise my son to be open minded and not racist, I often struggle with the "intentional" nature of joining clubs to meet people of different ethnicities, or making sure that my kid goes to a school with a certain number of nonwhite faces. There's something to me that almost feels racist about doing that. Does that make sense? I guess it's in line with what a previous poster saying -- that it will be a great day when it's not a big deal to have a black president. But then again, without intention, how will we get to that point?

    Maybe what's most poignant about this essay is that the neighborhood with the good schools, access to the subway, green space, etc. is NOT multicultural. I want to live in a neighborhood that is all these things, but where there is also a diversity of faces, lifestyles, cultures, religions, etc. But I think those neighborhoods are still few and far between.

    posted by : OHK on 11/6/2008 at 4:46 PM Flag For Abuse

  12. You are absolutely right about worrying about this issue. Now stop liberal white guilt, and be more worried about him running in the street, being kidnapped and all of the other stuff parents are worried about. You live in a diverse city which happens to be the place in the world. If he's a nice kid, he will stop calling non-whites "dogs" and just think of them as other people. Liberal white guilt is awful because it's patronizing. Don't feel sorry, just treat everyone with respect no matter what their job is. I am for the first time dealing with people staring at my Taiwanese wife ( we moved from Chicago to a white neighborhood in Philly). They think she's the nanny, when in fact she's a doctor at Childrens Hospital. Go figure!

    posted by : rross372ATgmailcom on 11/6/2008 at 6:34 PM Flag For Abuse

  13. Lovely essay!

    OHK, segregation happened intentionally and on purpose and we have to dismantle it the same way. Be brave and go get some diversity for your kid. Just make sure you're the one doing the work and not asking a minority to do the work--if that makes sense. Teach yourself what you need to know when possible, rather than asking others to always be your teachers. But wouldn't you rather stick your foot in it and ask a "dumb" question than remain isolated and ignorant?

    posted by : Shannon LC Cate on 11/6/2008 at 6:39 PM Flag For Abuse

  14. Don't assume all suburbs are lily white. I live in a suburb in NC. On a dreaded cul-de-sac. Out of 6 homes, we are one of 2 white families.
    We have black, Chinese, Filipino, Puerto Rican. All with children.
    Yes, we coudldn't have cast it better if we tried.

    posted by : NC MOM on 11/6/2008 at 6:43 PM Flag For Abuse

  15. I loved this essay and wish I could share it on Facebook. Anyway I am an African-American woman who has always had a diverse group of friends. My husband is white and we have three beautiful children who all look so very different from light to brown skin from brown eyes to green from curly hair to hair as straigh as my husbands. You really do have to make an effort to be diverse. My son has friends who are wihte, asian, and black. In my son's preshcool he is only 1 of three students of color.

    But I am curious why the elementary school is so great in the neighborhood, and the high school so horrible and segregated. Is the elementary school better becasue highly educated, affluent white people moved to the neighborhood and started sending their kids there? I think that you will find what most of us think of as being racist is really class discrimination.

    posted by : cerny5 on 11/6/2008 at 7:05 PM Flag For Abuse

  16. Ask yourself: What would you say if your son started calling white people cats? Wouldn't you just tell him something like, "No, I don't see a cat. I see a man. He is wearing a blue shirt. What color is your shirt?" I think if you had done this the first few times, yur son would stop. The good news, your son is not a racist and he isn't destined to become one, especially if you always try to treat blacks as you would whites. For instance, if a child observes loudly, 'That's a black person.' That's not racist, it's just an observation. If you act uncomfortable they will pick it up as bad to be black, instead of just a variation, like brown hair or red.

    posted by : canadianangel on 11/6/2008 at 7:09 PM Flag For Abuse

  17. This is a wonderful essay, bravely written and beautifully executed. Thanks for your honesty. I thought it was especially poignant to examine the difference between living in a visually diverse environment and actually having meaningful interactions with families with diverse backgrounds. It is so difficult to break through to that level.
    But truly, I am up to here with the endless assumption about the "lily-white" suburbs. It's so totally out of date - the suburbs are where new immigrants are settling. In addition - especially in and around NYC - the less expensive housing stock means more economic diversity, which also helps enable racial diversity.
    I live in a totally diverse NYC suburb where playgroups look like Benetton ads. It's not all kumbaya - the nannies are all women of color, the very good public high school struggles to keep students of wealthy white parents and so forth. But there is a heterogeneity that is completely unremarkable to Northern NJ.
    In addition, as another poster pointed out, new suburbs in the Southeast are even more diverse than these old mainline towns. The American dream that the suburbs represent is appealing to families of all backgrounds. There are many suburban towns designed so families need not interact with one another on public turf - the sort of enclaves that cityfolk congratulate themselves for rejecting. But so much of what's out there isn't like that.

    posted by : Suburban Mom on 11/6/2008 at 7:19 PM Flag For Abuse

  18. Baby bigot? Seriously? Wow, it must be so draining to live your life weighed down by White Guilt. I will not apologize for something that happened over 200 years ago that I had nothing to do with. That is so far beyond my scope of reasoning. Because of your White Guilt, your child will grow up learning to see nothing but skin color.

    posted by : Ilana on 11/6/2008 at 8:48 PM Flag For Abuse

  19. Apparently I was an early racist as well. In pre-school, lilly-white me refused to speak to or even look at the white teacher, while they would catch me all the time gabbing away to the black teachers aide, holding her hand, etc. This was acutely embarrassing to my mother, as the white teacher was a good friend of hers, and they tried everything to break my little 3 year old will. Denied me food, denied me playtime, locked me in the room... nothing worked. They still laugh about it. I never did say a word to her.

    posted by : Giant Panda on 11/6/2008 at 9:52 PM Flag For Abuse

  20. I really enjoyed this article. It could have been written by me. Except for the fact that I'm African-American and married to someone who isn't. I have two bi-racial kids who don't have any black friends nor do they live around black people since we now live in India and in Brussels, before that. Heck, I don’t have any black friends due to geography. We do still have a place in Prospect Heights, one of the most diverse, albeit economically strong neighborhoods in New York. But, due to jobs, we left the U.S. when the oldest was still a baby and the youngest wasn't even on the radar. I often wonder how my girls see the world when they see no little people their height who look like them, except on TV and when we visit cousins for Christmas. They have made those same kinds of comments about Black people and they certainly have not gotten it from me. So I experience that same angst when I get on the plane for Christmas. Would enough sugar from the candy canes or enough egg nog in the glasses prevent them from using the words "those people" and the adults in my family from hearing it? We all have to make the effort to make our children good citizens of the world and to see people for the content of their character instead of the color of their skins. It’s a huge step to recognize it.

    posted by : Globetrotter on 11/6/2008 at 10:17 PM Flag For Abuse

  21. Thank you for this article. It's good for us to hear that others are thinking of this. I worry about lack of diversity in my dd's life, but I know that our parenting will play a big part in preventing bigotry. I grew up in a very white part of the midwest and the only people of color I ever saw were on TV. When I was 6 or 7, we went to the Minneapolis airport, where I loudly announced to my mother "I've seen 8 black people today!!!" It wasn't bigotry as much as being curiousity of the unfamiliar. My parents took important steps to talk to my siblings and I about race and ethnicity and we I grew to embrace diversity.

    posted by : Elle on 11/7/2008 at 7:18 AM Flag For Abuse

  22. Globetrotter and Cerny 5, I wish we could form an online community for black mothers of biracial children. I've been mistaken for my blonde-haired, blue-eyed daughter's nanny and don't always interact with other blacks due to the peripatetic nature of my and my husband's jobs. I share your concerns.

    Ilana, people suffered. No one is asking you to apologize for slavery but the fact is that discrimination of all kinds was legal in most of our and our parents' lifetimes, not just hundreds of years ago. Before 1967 Globetrotter, Cerny 5, and I could not have legally married our husbands in some states. I don't think most white women in this country lived on a bed of roses in the "good old days" but we can't airily dismiss the suffering of any excluded group -- be they Asians, Hispanics, women, blacks, homosexuals, Native Americans, the mentally/physically disabled, working-class whites, the poor, children born out of wedlock, etc.

    Is this why no one is comfortable discussing race?

    posted by : Denkpaard on 11/7/2008 at 9:46 AM Flag For Abuse

  23. i thought this article was great. thanks so much for the thoughtful and funny piece.

    my husband and i currently live in a very ethnically diverse neighborhood in brooklyn. mostly orthodox jews and pakistani muslims, and then a nice smattering of eastern europeans and black and asian people. on this floor of my apartment building alone i have chinese, ukranian, hatian, pakistani, and russian neighbors. i love it.

    that being said, i was brought up in staten island in a very white neighborhood. all italian or jewish, with one set of neighbors that were chinese. and my parents managed to successfully make sure that neither myself nor my brother saw those of color differently. we were taught that all people are equal, that racial slurs were not ok, and to be kind to everyone. not to say that they don't have generational issues themselves (where stereotyping may be more common, and things like, "he's really good looking for a black guy" is not a strange thing to say), but those issues are quite innocent in comparison with what it could be. and it never affected our outlook on the world.

    now we're about to welcome our first child into the world. i'm so excited to be in a nation that decided to elect a man despite his color. and i'm glad to be living in my neighborhood where my kid can go to a good school on the corner that will be extremely diverse in population. is it in part an effort on my part? absolutely. i really do want my kid to have that experience. but will i always live in a neighborhood so diverse? i don't know. i just would like to give them a good base for life, the way my parents did to the best of their ability.

    white guilt? i don't know. i just want to make sure my kids embrace people's differences. and i don't think there's anything wrong with that.

    posted by : diverse brooklyn on 11/7/2008 at 12:07 PM Flag For Abuse

  24. Lol, I had the same problem with my dd when she was around 14months or so. She saw a picture of Gandhi on a biography I had gotten from the library and declared "arf!" I was a little mortified, but she didn't even have a word for person yet, so I tried not to freak out. We've sinced moved to a significantly more diverse area and at 25 months doesn't attach any importance to skin color as far as I can tell. (My aunt studying early childhood development says that kids don't really start to consistently differentiate races and their relation to them until 4 or 5 years old...)

    posted by : linguistmama on 11/7/2008 at 12:43 PM Flag For Abuse

  25. It is wonderful that we consider these challenges, biased, prejudicial and potentially racist patterns. It's critical that we reflect on our own intentional or unintentional behaviors, lifestyles and associations. However, if it doesn't lead to any behavioral changes or modifications then it doesn't teach our children any lessons. They too, will repeat our behaviors.

    I believe that if you (or I, I am white) want to combat intentional or unintentional racism, we have to be willing to be uncomfortable and change our behaviors.

    Words don't make as much an impact on our children as do behaviors and lifestyle choices.

    If you want your child to be comfortable with people from varied backgrounds, send him to a school that has a diverse population.
    If you want him to be comfortable and familiar with African-American people, then start with your own associations and friendships.

    If you want to live in a diverse community, move to a diverse community.

    If you want your child to be not be biased, sexist or prejudice then speak up and point out those actions, behaviors and biases.

    Become your values. It's not easy. I find it very challenging to constantly reflect on my own behaviors, words and actions - especially when my white friends don't always have the same perspective or outlook.

    It's not easy, but truly what other choice is there?

    PS
    By the way, I did move before my child began school. I didn't want him to go to a segregated school.

    posted by : Miriam on 11/7/2008 at 12:46 PM Flag For Abuse

  26. Some of you apparently white men have apparently married black women. Is it true: once you go black you never go back?

    posted by : snickertoo on 11/7/2008 at 2:03 PM Flag For Abuse

  27. We live on the north side of Chicago in a very diverse neighborhood. Some whites, some blacks, some hispanics, some Polish. Some good folks, some gang bangers, but mostly people don't bother one another. My 4 year old son sees so many different faces every day, goes to day care with a diverse group. He's never once asked me why does that person look different? Why is his skin darker/lighter?

    My mother told me of one of her most embarassing moments. I was 4 and sitting with her waiting to board a flight. An older black woman was sitting next to us. Suddenly I apparently asked my mother, "Mommie, why does that woman have black skin? I don't like people with black skin." She said she was literally mortified (nary a racist bone in either of my parents' bodies that I have ever detected) and said, "Ma'am I am so sorry. I can assure you he did not learn that at home." The lady was kind and let it go.

    I don't remember that happening, and I surely don't feel that way today or ever in my memory, but now that I've become a parent I have apologized to my mother countless times for it!

    Who knows why kids say what they do...but when they say it you know you have an educational opportunity.

    GO OBAMA!

    posted by : mrb on 11/7/2008 at 2:08 PM Flag For Abuse

  28. Wow, you know we live in a world paranoid with political correctness when what should be a funny moment, turns out to be a sobering situation, worthy of reflection. People take themselves too seriously, sometimes to their disadvantage.

    An infant is pure and innocent, incapable of insulting another human being with such a subtlety as animalization. What parents really should worry about is to teach their children compassion and respect for their fellow human being and we should all be alright. We should not allow racism to be an option, we should simply discard it from our minds and not even teach it as something that is wrong, but as something that must not exist. By giving it so much importance, you are actually perpetuating racism.

    Just the other day, an infant in my baby’s pediatrician waiting room saw a drawing of a monkey, pointed at it, and called it ¨daddy¨. Fortunately, everyone laughed out loud, and I’m sure the kid loves her daddy.

    posted by : supermoka on 11/7/2008 at 2:52 PM Flag For Abuse

  29. Kids may not know about race until they are 4 or 5, but they do know about differences. I had my hair in braids and every time the son of one of my white and Indian friends saw me, he would holler like he lost his favorite stuffed toy. Because of where we live (in India) and who he sees all the time (no one who looks like me), it was shocking to him. It has helped that we spend a lot of time together now (and that I no longer have braids) So, no, I did not think his parents were teaching him this behavior. Of course not. They're our best friends. But when you don't interact with people who don't look like you, silly things naturally and innocently come out of mouths and kids react accordingly.

    posted by : Globetrotter on 11/7/2008 at 3:06 PM Flag For Abuse

  30. Talk about overanalysis! Your son is a baby. This is the kind of thing that babies and toddlers do all the time. My nephew is a bit older and last time I saw him called every animal with four legs a puppy, including cats, horses, elephants and any other animal he saw at the zoo. This is the same sort of thing. Presumably you will raise him appropriately and he will have the opportunity to meet kids from a variety of backgrounds and make friends. I can just about guarantee that, having the sort of mom who could write this column, he will be anything BUT a racist. The danger is that, because you're so guilty and self-conscious over race, he'll absorb that attitude instead. Raise him right, send him to a good school, teach him what you believe and give him an opportunity to hang out with kids from a variety of backgrounds if that is what you value. It'll all fall into place. Don't be obnoxious about it.

    posted by : Bookworm857158367 on 11/11/2008 at 10:46 AM Flag For Abuse

  31. Not that this is the same, but we once had a dog that barked at all black people and never at whites. It's not that black people were foreign to her; we had many black friends. It was mortifying!

    posted by : sweetpotater on 11/11/2008 at 10:36 PM Flag For Abuse

  32. Yes children can say the most politically incorrect things innocently, but, it can at times be taught by the parents. When I was engaged, about to be married, I asked my nephew if he was happy he was going to have a new uncle. He than asked me "Why are you marrying that brown man??"...needless to say, I burst out crying, because I knew this lovely 5 year old boy's head was filled with the racial hatred his father was teaching him. Yes my brother-in-law is a major racist, not just to black people, but to any nationality that isn't the same as his.
    However, he just loves my now husband. Am I wrong that this bothers me so much? He picks & chooses who he wants to be racist to. I would rather he be racist to everyone, than to be racist & a hypocrite at the same time!

    posted by : Zina Z on 11/12/2008 at 5:13 AM Flag For Abuse

  33. BTW, Just wondering how it is possible to live in America and have no black friends? That seems so ridiculous to me. I am a non-american, but I travel there once a year and I have done so for the last 10. Over those years, I have accumulated many great American friends, which about 95% of happen to be black. People, I am white! So I cannot believe that you can live an entire life in the lovely U.S.A and haven't met a black person you have something in common with. Just crazy!

    posted by : Zina Z on 11/12/2008 at 5:25 AM Flag For Abuse

  34. I'm glad you're in a place where you're thinking about it, but the key here is action, and I hope you actually make some changes to your life.

    posted by : KKim on 11/12/2008 at 9:55 PM Flag For Abuse

  35. Zina Z, there are plenty of places in the US with mostly-white populations. I grew up in a town of 25,000, with only four black children in my grade in school. And that's including a biracial boy with such light skin that I didn't even know he had some African ancestry until we were in 4th or 5th grade. I guess I have always had some *acquaintances* who are black, but actual *friends*? Only two, in college, and we haven't kept in touch.

    posted by : K on 11/13/2008 at 9:33 AM Flag For Abuse

  36. Zina Z:

    First, it depends on what your definition of "friend" is. Friends and acquaintances are different.

    Second, the US has a population of around 305 million people, of whom only about 12% are black. It is possible for people, depending on where they live, not to be exposed to different races.

    posted by : smiths77 on 11/14/2008 at 12:21 PM Flag For Abuse

  37. It is with hindsight from my own experiences that I giggled through the first part of your article. I am white with white children. My oldest daughter disliked most white people and loved black people--the only people of color she was exposed to early on--until she was about two. This included a preference for darker skinned dolls. No idea why. She is 13 now and has a multi-cultural group of friends.

    My brother called all things good "cat" and all things bad "hot" because that is what he had to work with. Kids, particularly those with limited vocabularies like your toddler, label things according to their experience with them. "Doggie" usually has positive connotations; though I agree with other commenters that you want to correct him, because Laurence Fishburne is not a dog. I was raised in a truly racist family, and I think that the only way this incident would foreshadow your child becoming a racist is if you encouraged and laughed at him when he called black people "doggie".

    I would caution you against moving solely for cultural diversity. We live in a primarily white rural area, and my daughters have diverse groups of friends nonetheless. It would be a shame for your son to grow up wondering why mom had such a long commute or why there were no parks nearby just to find out that it was in the name of diversity--it might actually backfire on you.

    posted by : tiffanized on 11/18/2008 at 2:54 PM Flag For Abuse

  38. I'm curious as to where he got the correlation of black people with 'doggie'????

    At 17 months, they aren't thinking that deep yet....he would call every man doggie.

    I don't see him relating a brown dog on his backpack(for instance) with a brown man...especially since Laurence isn't that same shade of brown as most generic doggies in kids books or cartoons. Do you see how much he'd have to differentiate the color brown????

    I don't think the kid is a racist. I don't think you're a racist. I think you're scared of being seen as one, and Kum-ba-ya, you love black folks.

    I didn't even read the rest of your article...it was ridiculous (although your feelings are valid).

    If YOU are diverse, then your child will be raised in such a manner....no need to shove them into a 'mixed' school to make sure he's not a bigot.


    My kids are bi-racial (I'm black) and they go to a private school with 90% white kids. 5% are of middle eastern decent, and the last 5% is either Asian or my kids.

    But we live such a diverse lifestyle. we travel a lot, we have friends of various races and nationalities, etc.

    We don't purposely go and make friends with someone because they are Mexican. I make friend and socialize with people of whom I have a lot in common with and are good people.

    I'm sure you would do the same.

    posted by : ZBecks on 11/20/2008 at 6:30 PM Flag For Abuse

  39. We live in an upper middle class neighborhood in Dallas. All white, lots of jewish people and most everyone sends their kids to the local PRIVATE schools! WE are asian. This is not diversity enough for me. One child goes to a very small, nice diverse K program where of 16 kids he is one of 3 asian kids and there are 3 AA and some hispanic and the rest white. You will not find this kind of diversity in a quality K program unless you went to the burbs maybe. The school has a huge diverstiy mission....I love it and this is predominantly why we picked this school. Last year at this school they talked about MLK and his life. My then just 4 year old came home crying saying that they had reada story about a boy who grew up to be a king and when he was little he could not play with other children who looked different than him. When he grew up he tried to change this and he wanted everyone to be treated well and do things together but some bad man shot him and he died. He was very affected by the story and it was bizaare to me to see his spin on it. WE talked a lot and we got books on MLK.,..I contacted the teacher (white) and she said it was a story that needed to be told to these kids...it was all our collective histories as americans and they did not feel the need to gloss over or hide any ugly truths. The message they want kids to get is that yes there was some bad stuff in our history but look today...hwo far have we come and we still have a ways to go but this is the first step. It was an eye opener for me bc i would have shyed away from some of the more graphic details. Even as Asians I feel MLK is a powerful influence and I know my kids see him as a hero. But this message of inclusion and diversity they get from school. Everything they do at this school is about inclusion and celebrating differences and we feel lucky that our kids go here.

    posted by : mom54 on 11/21/2008 at 10:02 AM Flag For Abuse

  40. I went to a very diverse High School in New Jersey (Union County). Although I knew many people of different races, and I never considered myself a racist, everyone seemed to stick to their own race, as far as social circles go.

    I never saw it as an issue, because if I saw a guy from High School I knew, be he White, African American, Asian, Hispanic, etc. in a bar, I would sit down and have a drink with them, and catch up on old times.

    I feel that people tend to stick to their own kind, not because of racism, but simply because of cultural similarities; ethnic or just social cultural differences tend to have people group together.

    Furthermore, many people I knew from High School were racists, not because of their parent's upbringing (many of their parents had friends of many races, and I never saw any behavior to denote otherwise), but simply because when one race dominates the population in an organization, such as a school, people become suspicious of them, and begin to feel "outnumbered" and threatened.

    I don't believe this causes racism in ALL people, or even MOST people. I believe this simply adds a few bigots who like to be in control, and have an overall feeling of superiority.

    As far as raising children goes, don't go out of your way to put a child into a diverse school. If the school across the street that is mostly white, also happens to be one of the best schools in town, send them to that school. On the other hand, if a school across town is just as good as the one across the street, and is much more diverse, you may want to consider sending your child there.

    Being so fearful of raising a racist, and preventing your child from being "capable" of bigotry, may cause a level of rebellion in your child, who wants nothing more than to "annoy you". Eventually these feigned beliefs will become common place in their minds, and could also lead to them being permanently racist.

    My verdict:

    Allow your children to have equal access to multiple cultures, either in school, extra curricular (churches, sports teams, private organizations), or at home with entertainment. Preaching to your child will just make them want to act differently than what you want them to. Don't you remember saying "I'm NEVER going to do xyz to my kid, like my mom/dad did to me!" The same rule applies here.

    In addition, children cannot be forced one way or another based on observations alone. Children mimic their parents only for a few years, and once they hit their teens, they will attempt to be "different" from everyone else. If you are neutral to other races, not preferring, or deterring a particular culture/race, I believe your children will simply make up their own mind on the subject.

    I'm not an expert, and I've certainly blabbed a lot, but I think this is very true among most children.

    posted by : justathought on 12/3/2008 at 12:53 AM Flag For Abuse

  41. First, let me announce that I am Black. Second, let me say, that I understand your angst, but really, this was hilarious! It's beautiful that it made you think more deeply about some of your values and areas where you may not be in integrity with them, but that has nothing to do with your child having some negative race-based perception of Black people. He's still pretty clueless on that front.

    Just a couple months ago, the precocious 2-year-old younger brother of a boy I had coached on my son's soccer team, came up to me and asked me if I knew Franklin. His mother had no idea why he was asking if I knew her son's friend, but I didn't have to think twice about it. I was almost sure that Franklin must be Black. His mother explained that I didn't know Franklin. Then, the little boy said, "He's brown," and pointed to another parent standing near me and said, "like him." I knew that his mother was a little uncomfortable, but all I could do was laugh with amazement.

    Thing is, this was a baby! A really smart one. He was making an observation that we were brown, and he was able to group them, just like my son learned to do in pre-school. He was not placing judgement on what that meant, or what rights I should enjoy, or what my life must be like, or whether I was on government assistance.

    This child, still untainted by us grownups, was merely demonstrating a little brilliance, just like your son.

    posted by : mysonsmom on 12/4/2008 at 5:18 PM Flag For Abuse

  42. I live in California, our area is very multicultural. My husband and I have many friends from many different cultures. I have cousins who are korean, black, and philipino and my sister-in-law is from El Salvador. That said, high school around here is very self-segregated and some areas of the city are as well. Luckily I hang out with mostly nerds, and nerds of all races are so rejected by cool people that they congregate together regardless of ethnicity. Racism is not dead, but it seems like you're doing your best to make sure you don't propagate it.

    posted by : mchaos on 1/13/2009 at 3:14 PM Flag For Abuse


   
  
 
 
   


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