feedback for "The Ironic Thing"

  1. I've always been confused by the 'a' or 'an' issue with words beginning with the letter 'h'.  I thought that 'an' was used before words that began with a vowel sound. And most words that begin with 'h', like 'hotel' or 'hysterical' for that matter, don't fall into that category. But there is some history, apparently, to this dual article usage. This link explains it rather neatly (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/A). 


    But bottomline, whatever one thinks of the author's publicist, his usage of "a hysterical read' is not inaccurate.

    I guess I'm petty, too.


    posted by : GlobalInternatl on 1/25/2007 at 12:09 PM Flag For Abuse

  2. OK. So you want to read about NOT having kids, which is what the two babble pieces you cited are about -- NOT having kids. But in a backward way, both of those essays reiterate ideas that are common to parenting writing: kids are difficult, your identity changes, we all do it differently, it's not 100 percent great, I wouldn't change a thing (and I'll live with the consequences which are both good and bad).
    I agree with you about Pollack. And I find much of what he writes about has already been written by moms. It's just that he's a guy. That's the new twist. Nothing profound. No real insight.
    I think just like mainstream publications hide behind equivocation -- no matter how you do it, you're doing it right -- "alternative" parenting writing hides behind irony -- no matter what I do it's right because I'm detached from the mainstream's notion of what is right.
    What I want to read about ARE the dark parts, and not just from the drunk aunt or childless and confused non-father. I want to hear it from the parents who aren't clinically depressed or survivors of some sort. I want to know I'm not alone.

    posted by : birdfourth on 1/25/2007 at 12:40 PM Flag For Abuse

  3. Thanks for the good article. But yeah, I'm with GlobalInternatl in being hung up on the "an hysterical" thing. Sorry, it's only that way if you pronounce it "an 'isterical" -- same reason "an historic occasion" is only correct if you have a certain British dialect.

    posted by : mattdm on 1/25/2007 at 1:30 PM Flag For Abuse

  4. I don't understand your take here. This isn't a review of the Alternadad book, it's a personal attack on Pollack. Why? It smacks of jealousy and bitterness. I've read the book, and I think it's very entertaining. I don't feel that he's trying to take anything away from moms who've written about parenting at all. He's simply telling his own story in as amusing a way as possible. It's honest and funny. And why are you writing on a site about parenting if you don't have an interest in reading about parenting?


    I find it very strange that Babble would put this petty, personal attack on their front page. Aren't they trying to capture the same audience as Pollack? Why would they try to take down someone who's doing exactly what they are? And why on earth would Babble promote a writer (Carver) who makes people feel stupid for enjoying reading about parenting - the whole point of their own site.

    I'm put off by this whole thing. Lisa Carver, I think I'll hold a "vague abhorrence" for you now. Get a life.

    posted by : Momma on 1/25/2007 at 3:21 PM Flag For Abuse

  5. What I find amazing here (read bogus), is that you say "In fact, I don't care about anyone's family but my own, really. And I try not to burden my readers by believing for a second that they care about how cute and intelligent and unusual my children are. And since I don't know what else to say about my children, I generally don't say anything at all." Au contraire! Myself and countless numbers of "This American Life"  listeners know plenty about you and your son Wolfgang and your unusual circumstances (5/7/04, Episode 264). Besides, isn't his site about parents talkig about parenting, in all its shapes and forms. I do not get your vitrol against Pollack. Unless it is what you simply put as jealousy. You speak very little about his book and loads about him. Finally, I agree with you, taste is subjective. Then why-o-why in the world have you agreed to review books for a living?


    Ps. Sorry for all the typos.

    posted by : textimage on 1/25/2007 at 3:28 PM Flag For Abuse

  6.  

    It is very clear that you do not like Neal Pollack, however attacking him personally under the guise of not liking his book seems like sour grapes. So what if he does not come from a broken home and he has a stable home life as an adult. Why does that seem so terrible to you? My parents are still married and I hope to be able to provide the same amount of stability to my children. I think that the “Alterna” part of his book is not about him being part of an alternative lifestyle and more about an alternative way to parent…different that he had as a child.

     Why do you write for a magazine about being a parent? Is it because the pretty, pretty paycheck you collect from that editor that makes you write about parenting? One of my greatest joys in life is to be able to brag about my daughter. Guess what, if you do not like it- do not listen… But perhaps you should find another job.

    posted by : JanesMom on 1/25/2007 at 3:48 PM Flag For Abuse


  7. The three commenters above me have already said most of what I was going to say, but I feel compelled to add to the criticism. Reviewing a book by an author that you feel great disdain for on a personal level is pretty unprofessional. The hatred for Pollack the man overflows from the very beginning of your post and completely overshadows anything you have to say about Pollack the writer, let alone the specific book. I wasn't aware of the TAL segment you did, but I agree with textimage that it adds a layer of hypocrisy to what you've written here. And your aptly described "petty-but-I-have-no-self-control" nitpick about a grammatical error in a blurb looks awfully desperate. Anyway, I came in looking for a book review, but I went away feeling sorry for you and more than a little dizzy. If that was your goal, congrats.

    posted by : jmv on 1/25/2007 at 4:02 PM Flag For Abuse

  8. Lisa, you're my new hero. I'm sure I speak for many bloggers who want to make a living off of our writing when I laud your talent. That you were able to stretch two sentences describing two enormously uncompelling opinions - "In fact, I don't care about anyone's family but my own, really" and "Like surprisingly many people, I have always held a vague abhorrance for Neal Pollack" - into an even more uninteresting 1,500 word lead article, presumably one for which you were paid, on a website written by and for parents, gives hope to all of us who believe that there's a publisher who'll pick up the minutiae we choose to write about.
     
    (Not trying to shit where I eat, but after reading the piece, I'm wondering about the inclusion of the word "vague" in the above sentence; to paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I do not think that word means what your Babble editor thinks it means.)

    posted by : JasonAvant on 1/25/2007 at 4:07 PM Flag For Abuse

  9. I agree with the last several comments.  Like a lot of criticism of Pollack, this seems to come from the "I don't get his persona so his book must suck" place.  Though there also seems to be an element of "I'm more ironic than he is" going on here.  I'll gladly take your review seriously if you can critically argue the aesthetic shortcomings of the book, but writing it off simply because you despise Neal (or his persona) doesn't hold a lot of weight.

    posted by : MrsDavis on 1/25/2007 at 4:15 PM Flag For Abuse

  10. Your review seems overtly personal and leaves me wondering more about why you choose to write for a parenting site than the contents of Pollack's book.

    posted by : Izzy on 1/25/2007 at 4:30 PM Flag For Abuse

  11. It's true that parenthood inspires thankfulness and humility, and obviously in your case, rage and I would add, pettiness.  A hallmark of my mother's parenthood was this standard for speaking: "Is it true, necessary, and kind?"  On all these standards Lisa, you have failed.
     
    Alternadad is a great love letter - to Neal's wife, to Neal's son, and possibly to Neal himself.  It recognizes that parenting, just like life, is complicated, but also often funny.  And it is for those reasons, not because of how cute or intelligent that his child is, that from Neal Pollack we can find both shared experience and encouragement. 

    posted by : ANV on 1/25/2007 at 4:34 PM Flag For Abuse

  12. Haha! I guess Neal HAS lost his touch -- he used to make people mad; now, people are mad FOR him. No, but I think Neal's a good guy. I think his wife and child and pets are lucky to have him. I also think dishonesty or glossing over in families as well as in most writing about families is incredibly destructive. That's what I was reacting against.

    posted by : lisacarver on 1/25/2007 at 5:09 PM Flag For Abuse

  13. Ok - NOW we're getting somewhere! Lisa, I'm in complete agreement with you on disingenuous authors for whom family life is all shits and giggles (literally and figuratively), but I'm curious as to where you found that in Alternadad. Example: it seemed to me that Neal portrayed his life in Austin in an even-handed way; (SPOILER!) it wasn't quite the "hipster dad" paradise that he thought it would be. The subjects that he touches on in the book (issues with health care, education, raising a kid in a crime-ridden neighborhood, etc.) are recounted in a light-hearted manner, but are never glossed over, nor are they trivialized - there are very few Brady Bunch-esque resolutions to any of the challenges that the Pollacks face. And I don't know that I'd even call the book's ending a happy one; hopeful, yes, but with an underlying uncertainty. I'll give you that the book is far from dark, but it certainly has its share of shadows.

    posted by : JasonAvant on 1/25/2007 at 5:39 PM Flag For Abuse

  14. Touching on things just isn't good enough. What Michael Patrick MacDonald did with his own childhood in All Souls I'd like to see someone, anyone, do with parenting. Maybe no one ever will, because how we fail our children may be the one part of our lives too humiliating to explore or even know in our most private mind. And without that part, you just aren't honest.


    Thank you for the a/an correction, guys. I say a soft "a" -- it sounds so gruesome when you say "a hysterical" with a soft "a."

    posted by : lisacarver on 1/25/2007 at 5:59 PM Flag For Abuse


  15. Oh, you were reacting against "dishonesty" and "glossing over."   I was unable to glean that from your essay.  Perhaps this nuance was overshadowed by the piece's opening paragraph which - if I may paraphrase - starts out with your claim that Neal Pollack is a bad man who must be stopped.  It seems to me that your biggest complaint (besides Pollack's inherent evil) is that he uses "the tools of yesterday," and tells the story differently than you would have.  However, you never address whether those tools work - what I get is your dissatisfaction that he used them at all.  I read Alternadad and generally enjoyed it.  Maybe my thinking isn't nearly "meta" enough to criticize the manner in which the story was told, but I found it to be a compelling story. 

    posted by : ilovekitties on 1/25/2007 at 6:44 PM Flag For Abuse

  16. Well, you love kitties.


    Oh my god, I haven't had this much fun in so long.

    posted by : lisacarver on 1/25/2007 at 6:49 PM Flag For Abuse

  17. Well, Lisa what don’t you write a book all about how you failed your son if that is what you would like to read? At least Pollack is attempting to approach parenthood with the humor that is needed to get through the difficult parts of it .
     
    I hope that Pollack will understand your "fun".  Wow, if you really "think Neal's a good guy" I hope he has a chance to review you next piece of work...

    posted by : JanesMom on 1/25/2007 at 7:06 PM Flag For Abuse

  18. Lisa - It seems to me, though, that in this particular case it's hard to define "fail". Elijah's a toddler at story's end; not to sound like a Trekkie, but as a sentient being, he's still for the most part unformed, so neither the Pollacks or the reader know what, if any, long-term consequences are going to result from Neal's mistakes as a parent (the same holds true of their successes). If in twenty years Alternagramps hits the shelves, we may get our answer. Not saying that to be flip; it seems to me that with little kids, there's often no way of knowing which seemingly benign parental decisions are gonna fuck your child up (should I really be letting Lucas watch "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow"? The giant robots might be kinda scary for a two year old...might give him nightmares...) and which aren't (the kid now has a giant robot fetish; I'm truly screwed when the new Transformers movie comes out this summer). In any case, I don't think Neal was being dishonest; he clearly loves his kid, loves his wife, and they love him back, so while I'm sure there were failures along the way, they aren't the defining elements of his experience. It would be interesting to read an author who did truly fail their children; if Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' parents put out a 400+ page mea culpa, I bet it would fly off the shelves.

    posted by : JasonAvant on 1/25/2007 at 7:19 PM Flag For Abuse

  19. You write: "Neal obviously thinks he's so wild because he talks about shit-storms. But every parent of every child in the world, as well as dog-owners and workers in various segments of the service industry, have experienced shit flung at inconvenient moments, eaten, or worse."

    Judging by this incoherent, mean-spirited, shit-storm of a column, you fling poo with the best of them .,.

    I'd write more, but this foul concretion of a hipster parenting site has left me with an urgent need to shop for pre-distressed Eurodesign octagonal baby furniture. Maybe I can find a Svan of Sweden highchair in a faux-feces finish?

    posted by : elbabb on 1/26/2007 at 1:00 AM Flag For Abuse

  20. I give up. Who are Tiger Lady and Jigsaw Man?

    posted by : Patti on 1/26/2007 at 1:08 AM Flag For Abuse

  21. I haven't read the book and I don't expect that I will.  I have nothing against Neil Pollack -- he's one of those McSweeney's types who I don't really care to read but whom I'd probably like hanging out with.  There are a lot of subjects dealt with in this essay and the responses, though, so I wanted to join in.

    It's true, being a parent is not ironic.  ("Irony" is one of those words that get tossed around so much that they lose all meaning, anyway, like when Avril Lavigne declared herself "punk.")  But the three main bloggers on Babble, for example, aren't going for cheap hipsterpunk irony in my view -- they're writing about how weird it is that this thing called parenting is actually happening to them, and that they're actually good at it.  I have the same feelings almost every day -- I made these people?  And the Fates are letting me guide their childhoods?  And they're not dead yet?

    For me anyway, and for the other parents I get along best with, that's where the bemused feeling comes in -- the otherworldliness of the whole endeavor, like someone's going to yell "punk'd" at any minute.

    posted by : Peter on 1/26/2007 at 6:29 AM Flag For Abuse

  22. I have to say, while the post was a bit vitriolic I'm not sure there is anything wrong with that. My only complaint about the heart of Carver's argument here is that she did not implicate the many A-list bloggers who have not written books but who have made this "ironic parenting" their stock and trade. The fact that the article focused its anger exclusively on Alternadad without discussing the broader context for this type of publication, a genre of writing invented by parents who desperately want to appear as though they never stopped living wild lives despite having children, was its one great shortcoming. It lashes out but doesn't hit its true mark. Then she also strikes out at overprotective parenting (a quite different role some parents play) without connecting the two, which would have made her article much more interesting.

    But my goodness, how surprising it was to see a column so rife with grammatical errors calling out a publicist for bad grammar! I was wincing at these from the moment I started reading:

    "despised by pockets of lit people throughout the globe": I would like to meet some of the people who live inside the globe, which is what "throughout" implies. Please! Across. Around.

    "I felt jealous (of his unbroken, compatible family) and bored (of his unbroken, compatible family)": Parallelism is your undoing here, Lisa. The second should be "by," not "of," when it follows a verb like "to feel."

    "either be elegant and glamorous with language or else tell a truth in any manner as long as it's a truth that isn't already being already part of a zeitgeist flood, and therefore watered down and useless to awaken." Hmm. Which of those categories does that statement fit into?

    That said, this is a rant, and thus a valid literary form, at least online. It may be a bit of a sloppy rant, but part of a rant is allowing yourself to run at the mouth, take things pretty personally, and worry about what you said later. Front page material for a web magazine it probably isn't, just because of its formal qualities. But I like a good rant every once in a while, and although it could have used a bit of cleanup and better organization of her train of thought, I think Lisa turned in a good rant with a meaningful argument to make.

    posted by : jmcnichols on 1/26/2007 at 10:59 AM Flag For Abuse

  23. I found Alternadad to be highly self-indulgent and, well, thin.  It seems to be getting more attention than it deserves, too. 
     
    I agree that it isn't hysterical.  Pollack makes his wife seem like a weak-willed ninny who blows whichever direction information from the internet is going.  His take on parenting isn't all that alternative or even interesting.  You smoke -- er, vaporize -- pot.  Big deal.  (Well, maybe, if you lied on your insurance application forms and said you don't use drugs in order to keep your premiums down.  Insurance fraud is serious.) You live in a bad neighborhood?  Must be tough to have no safety net, like upper middle class parents on both sides of the family.
     
    The book is a memoir penned by a whiny suburban punk, just like Duke in Repo Man.  Getting sushi and not paying has been done to death.  Fetishizing ham isn't amusing.
     
    At bottom, Alternadad is a sell out.  Pollack is going mainstream to earn some bucks.  I guess you can't blame him too much.  But he's doing it by exploiting his son, who will have a fun time in school if other kids discover he humps the family pets, etc., and all the other stuff Pollack writes about him in the book and on his blog. 
     
     

    posted by : bogmonster on 1/26/2007 at 11:02 AM Flag For Abuse

  24. Grammar has been corrected per jmnichols' suggestion -- the editors

    posted by : gwynne on 1/26/2007 at 12:14 PM Flag For Abuse

  25. I don't think Lisa Crystal Carver would go to my blog in a million years (post-reading my shitty review of her book that is). Maybe a million and one. But I'll go ahead and leave a comment.

    From the little contact I had with Lisa, it took a little while to tune into her unique blend of sarcasm and humor. She tears at the world around her--claws at it, really. And she does so in a way that makes you laugh and makes you squirm. All she seems to be doing is ripping the golden gleam off the gilded world around us. She has her own way of doing it. And that's OK. I get it.

    People tend to take criticism too personal. A bad review can still make someone want to read and buy a book. I would be honored to have a bad review from Lisa for my prose (Even if I do think she's a mean tart).

    But then the last I wrote her, she thought I lived on the East coast, not the West coast. So if I sent her my book she'd probably lose it.

    Bonus: The article inspired me to want to write about my own unique weird kids.

    -n.l. belardes
    www.noveltown.net/blog
    www.nlbelardes.com





    posted by : nlbelardes on 1/26/2007 at 3:35 PM Flag For Abuse

  26. What this "essay" highlights for me is the difference between pleasure and happiness. Lisa Carver takes gleeful pleasure in announcing her abhorrence of Neal Pollack and his creative endeavors. Her screed sounds like an angry, discombobulated rant best left to drinking with friends. Seeing it in published and bandied about in a public forum no doubt brings her more pleasure. It is dispiriting for some of us to see such poorly reasoned and written works taking the place of useful book reviews. I am surprised that this passed through an editorial process at all. The minor pleasures Lisa Carver derives from all this will be fleeting though. She will be left with herself, a person who publicly, shamefully attacks writers for a paycheck. There can't be much happiness in that.

    posted by : flibbertyjibbit on 1/27/2007 at 3:11 PM Flag For Abuse

  27. You're wrong.

    posted by : lisacarver on 1/27/2007 at 7:39 PM Flag For Abuse

  28. You're wrong.

    posted by : lisacarver on 1/27/2007 at 7:39 PM Flag For Abuse

  29. I completely agree with bogmonster, who said, "I found Alternadad to be highly self-indulgent and, well, thin.  It seems to be getting more attention than it deserves, too." 

    Many dads before this generation have been able to keep doing what they did as 25 year-olds for as long as possible.  It is called immaturity.  It is not a new, cool phenomenon.

    I also find it amusing that many of you, angry with Lisa Carver for seeming to attack Neal Pollack personally, are turning around and personally attacking Lisa Carver.

    posted by : nf11 on 1/28/2007 at 10:25 AM Flag For Abuse

  30. By presenting the review as she did, she left herself open for it. She was self-righteous and unprofessional.


    nf11, I highly doubt that you've actually read the book. The whole point of the book is that Pollack learns that he can't keep doing everything he wants. He matures. He continues to try to keep some of the interests and passions of pre-fatherhood to share with his son. Is that a bad thing? Hell, no! Who wants a boring, bitter dad (or mom!) who has no interests of their own? He learns to try to mesh his pre-daddy interests with his new role as daddy. He learns responsibility, both personal and civic.

    There has been enormous pressure within our culture to give it all up for our kids. That's simply not healthy for us or them. Yes, they need love and nurturing, but they do not need robo-parents who've given up everything that made them intelligent, thinking people to begin with.

    The "movement" is b/c Gen Xers are reproducing and now struggling with this balance - as each generation has. Our solution will be a little different, reflecting our tastes.

    posted by : Momma on 1/28/2007 at 4:18 PM Flag For Abuse

  31. To start: I have read some of the book (could not finish it) and watched a few insufferable lectures on YouTube of Neal reading from the book. Lisa's "book review" isn't a book review per se.  It's an essay.  I guess none of you ripping on this article realized it's not in the "book review" section. It's an essay, and an opinionated one, and anyone familiar with Nerve should at least be somewhat familiar with her writing style by now. Sometimes she rips on people. This book deserves to be ripped upon. I am the same age as Mr. Pollack. However, I have a nine -year old and am mortified by the self-indulgences of my generation who have just reproduced (at yes, a LATE age) and act as though they are the first to ever push a stroller or clean up a pile of poop. This book is not even close to being funny, yet it is "hilarious" in reviews. Please, defenders of Mr. Pollack, tell me a passage that is hilarious. I am serious.  All of us ex-punk rockers may lament the old days, or wonder how we can parent and still live our lives. But come on, people, we're pushing forty, us X'ers. We're OLD. I think that is what Lisa was saying. X generation parents with toddlers need to grow up and stop putting kids in Ramones tee-shirts (or at least, stop thinking its 'cool' or 'edgy')  and start worrying about their children's behaviour issues. The very insecurity I had about my kid's behaviour while out and about is certainly not an issue with these new, "cool" people. Gen X are so proud of their misbehaved monsters that  a whole new generation of uncontrollable kids is being unleashed in schools. Point being: this book wasn't funny, or interesting, and Lisa was writing about it in her convoluted way.

    posted by : Bean on 1/28/2007 at 11:17 PM Flag For Abuse

  32. Holy shit, people, lighten up!! I thought Lisa's piece was "AN HYSTERICAL" deconstructionist view of post-modern parenting.
     
    In short, I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
     
    Rachael

    posted by : CrankMama on 1/29/2007 at 11:32 AM Flag For Abuse

  33. Carver Carver, Lisa Carver, what a dull blade it is you wield...deliberate and glinty, slicing through the likable, the palpable, reaching for still silence with words that fall heavy into a dark place, where bottom lips protrude beneath sniffling noses, where small arms cross to be clenched forever and ever. Your essay, far from holding up your argument, merely casts shadows on your side of the street. And the darker you are, the brighter Neal Pollack becomes, or at the very least more worthy of curiosity. I wouldn't doubt you've boosted sales of Alternadad, if even slightly.
     
    To point, I have read both Pollack's book and your essay quite thoroughly. Regardless of the relative "uniqueness" of his story (I should point out that in his book he makes no Omega Man-like claims on parenting), it's inviting. There's a warmth and tenderness to Alternadad that's just plain comforting in a curl-up-with-this-book kind of way. It doesn't hurt that Pollack has a gift for the turn of phrase, not to mention irony, and lest we forget, satire. He's capable of pointing the domestic humor mirror on himself without breaking it over our heads in the process (a thing I've noticed gets missed, at least based on what I've seen in some commentaries).
     
    You've also overlooked a purely practical matter. Some folks in a place where decisions get made about these kinds of things turned Alternadad into a book, so your assertion of the proper "place" for such writing is irrelevant hindsight. It's got a spine. It's printed in ink. And guess what, it's an entertaining read. Too late.
     
    To your essay, regardless of the point you're attempting to make, your tone is repellent and banal. And sadly, for all your attempts to project insight, you give off a vibe of shallow examination at best.

    On the brighter side, you do come out with a ninth-inning stinger, "They're not in my mouth." I think that will be my answer to every question tomorrow.
     
    Jacque Day Archer
    Acquisitions Editor

     

     

     

    posted by : jrevolver on 1/31/2007 at 12:44 AM Flag For Abuse

  34. Anyone who thinks Neal's book is warm or funny or fresh...

    has clearly not read the eight zillion parenting books already out there. He is bringing nothing new to the table. At. All. And in a book market glutted with memoirs, one on being an 'alternadad' had better be good to say something that hasn't been said. Yawn.

    posted by : Bean on 1/31/2007 at 1:14 AM Flag For Abuse

  35. What I find laughable about comments like the above (Bean) are the layered presumptions of the first sentence... 1) The general use of the word "anyone" as if all people should think as you do, and 2) that I picked up Alternadad because I'm ignorant to the plethora of parenting books on the market (I work in book publishing and am reasonably in touch with what's out there). 
     
    I've been reading Neal Pollack for years, and his work appeals to me on many levels. Back in the '90s, when he was reporting for the Chicago Reader, he spoke to the issues that concerned many in our generation. His voice, even in those early days, was a thing to experience. It's that voice that draws me back to his work, including Alternadad.
     
    Notice how I managed to reply without berating you for your choices, your personal taste, or your boredom, and how I made no presumptions whatsoever about your level of knowledge of any topic. It's sad to me that so many presumably intelligent adults so often treat others with such blatant, short-sighted, self-centered ill-respect.

    posted by : jrevolver on 1/31/2007 at 7:59 PM Flag For Abuse

  36. "Parenthood is bigger than that. It inspires thankfulness, humility, rage, unfixable guilt over what we may be doing to our children, unfixable sorrow over what we now understand for sure was done to us when we were their age, wonder and a quiet sense of sacredness..."
    Yes, that's completely true. And I think Pollack does a tremendous job of conveying these emotions, thoughts and follies. I had been searching for somebody who could say they shared my experience with motherhood, and found it in the Pollack family's foibles. Don't diss him for being honest, or for being himself. We all do asshole things as parents, and that is why "Alternadad" is so brilliant - it's honest. Yes, they may be a little self-absorbed or selfish, and maybe Neal is immature and needs to grow up - but who is to say that he's wrong to parent in a way that is uniquely his (and Regina's) own??
    Aside from the biting (which really could partially be blamed on the so-called Montessori school instruction he received), Elijah seems to have grown up as a fairly well-adjusted child so far.
    And if you don't like what Pollack writes about, don't read it, don't encourage others to read it, and don't get bothered by it. There are far more important things we, as parents and as inhabitors of Earth, need to worry about than one dude's 300-page book about his parenting experience. It's not like he's THE "Voice of our Generation" or something, and my god, I hope you people realize that.

    posted by : unironicmom on 2/3/2007 at 12:50 PM Flag For Abuse

  37. Going back to the "a" vs. "an" before a word beginning with the "h" sound, the phrase "an historic event" drives me nuts every time I hear it. You wouldn't order "an ham sandwich." But grammar aside, Lisa Carver is "a" boring writer. To devote an entire article to bashing a guy who simply wrote a book. It's not even a controversial book. He's not trying to do anything but describe his personal experiences in an entertaining way. Is that somehow more narcissistic than Lisa Carver's choosing to regale us with her opinions on Neal Pollack? That's only slightly less interesting than her article about the valuable lessons that "Bring It On!" teaches young girls.Ooh, you peed in a cat box once. I'm shocked. Oh, you had sex and then felt the need to write about it? What a naughty girl you are.If you want to talk about irony, Miss Carver, perhaps you should talk about a writer who bashes another writer in an effort to make herself look good. But only makes herself look petty.

    posted by : blufalcon on 2/13/2007 at 4:14 PM Flag For Abuse

  38. The "Tiger Lady" and "Jigsaw Man," to answer your question, Patti, are Katzen and the Enigma.  While I do not know if they have any children (to my knowledge, they do not, but it's been a while), they are nice people and good neighbors.

    posted by : tallulahelvis on 2/15/2007 at 9:11 PM Flag For Abuse

  39. I really enjoyed this essay. I think it's smart, funny, and self-deprecating about its pettiness. I also think that it's insightful about both this new-ish genre of parenting lit and the pop culture of parenting nowadays. Personally, I'm also kind of bored by essays and blog entries that start out with "here's the crappy thing that happened yesterday", move on to "here's my immature reaction to it" and then conclude with "but here's my moment of enlightenment about how wonderful and special this all is, which is the commonplace/tired stereotype I tried to undo by taking the ironic stance at the beginning of this piece, but actually I'll revert back to it and be totally facile about the whole thing. Because in the end, I love my child."

    I'm not saying a) loving one's child is facile or b) writing about it is inherently facile or c) you have to have an unambiguous relationship to parenting in order to write about it. I just wish that more people wrote about it well. So I wholeheartedly agree with Lisa Carver: either I want the writing to be good, or I want the writing to be honest (if I can't have both). No formulaic irony, please. Let's have some good, smart writing about parenting (witness Metrodad, for example).

    posted by : angelina on 3/9/2007 at 1:01 PM Flag For Abuse

  40. I am a new Mom, currently reading Alternadad and have to admit to laughing out loud quite often. I can relate to the sometimes mundane, everyday parenting experiences Neal Pollack went through and thus don't find the book boring at all. I did however, tire of reading Lisa Carver's bitter article and skipped half of it to get to go straight to the comments section.

    posted by : kiwi on 5/19/2007 at 5:01 PM Flag For Abuse


   
  
 
 
   


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