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Ina May Gaskin

Ina May Gaskin

The mother of midwifery on the "lost art" of breastfeeding.

by Jennifer Block


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She has been called the "midwife of modern midwifery" and lectures around the world on safe motherhood and "sphincter law." The midwifery center she founded on The Farm, a commune in Tennessee, has become world famous for hosting thousands of births, including vaginal twins, breech and VBAC, and for its unparalleled statistics — in thirty years, just 1.4% of women who gave birth on The Farm needed a cesarean. Ina May Gaskin even has an obstetric maneuver named after her. Now, her best-selling Ina May's Guide to Childbirth has a new follow-on, Ina May's Guide to Breastfeeding (Bantam), out this month. Babble asked how she makes it looks so easy. — Jennifer Block

How have you achieved such amazing outcomes on the Farm? Do hippies have easier births?

Women who are healthy and who give birth in a supportive, relaxing atmosphere have easier births. In the beginning years, the women at The Farm were strongly motivated to give birth with as little medical intervention as possible. (There were some nasty interventions that were routine in the 1960s that we wanted to escape.) Our guiding philosophy was appropriate use of technology. We midwives had become experts in helping parents-to-be relax as much as possible during labor and birth, and the fact that we allowed — even encouraged — eating and drinking during labor has surely contributed to our low rates of interventions. Also important: every woman knew that her baby's and her safety were our top priorities and that we would get them to a hospital if necessary or helpful.

Because we were isolated by lack of cars and telephones, we were able to form our own birth culture, free from outside pressures and fears. Each of us had the major advantage of knowing several hundred other women who had been able to give birth at home without medication, so childbirth education on The Farm was something you'd get every time you listened to a friend's birth story. We weren't exposed to television dramas and movies depicting birth as a frightening process.

I think it's possible to point out the advantages of breastfeeding without being judgmental about women who choose, or must choose, another form of feeding their babies.

Women do hear lots of frightening birth stories . . . Would it help if they didn't?

Don't listen to people's frightening birth stories while you're pregnant. The pathological levels of fear of labor pain have definitely helped to drive up national cesarean rates in most countries. Now we have the ridiculous situation in which an entire generation of women of childbearing age have been trained to believe that major surgery (the cesarean) isn't painful or potentially harmful. Too often, women aren't shown that the pain of cesarean is felt after the surgery, so this aspect of the operation often comes as a big surprise. On the other hand, until fairly recently, there was little or no general knowledge of the fact that some women experience labor and birth as pleasurable — even orgasmic — experiences.

But does emphasizing this idea of the "perfect birth" set women up for feelings of failure or guilt? I think it's possible to point out the advantages of breastfeeding without being judgmental about women who choose, or must choose, another form of feeding their babies.

The view that women who have had positive experiences giving birth vaginally should be quiet about them, lest they make a woman who had (or chooses) a cesarean feel bad or guilty, this doesn't seem a good idea. If we make ourselves mute in order to make sure that no one ever feels bad, we are likely contributing to ever higher levels of cesarean section and lower rates of initiation of breastfeeding.

This argument seems to come up a lot with breastfeeding. In your new book you write: "What other human activity would permit you to give your baby the best possible nurturing and health protection at the same time that you enhance your own long-term health, provide the most economical infant food possible, and protect the natural environment?" There are people who would say this makes women who aren't breastfeeding feel guilty.

I think it's possible to point out the advantages of breastfeeding without being judgmental about women who choose, or must choose, another form of feeding their babies. I tried hard to maintain a nonjudgmental tone throughout my book, because I recognize that not every mother will be able to exclusively breastfeed her child, given the many obstacles to initiating and maintaining breastfeeding that exist in our society. I want mothers and fathers to understand that their bottle-fed babies will benefit greatly from being cuddled as they are being fed — the same physical closeness that is part and parcel of breastfeeding.

Whether we like it or not, breastfeeding needs to be promoted in our society, and facts about it need to be known.

You write about how stress levels can actually stop breastmilk from flowing, because stress interferes with the release of oxytocin. How significant is this in terms of childbearing in general?

There's a big difference between exogenous oxytocin (the kind that is put into intravenous lines or syringes for injection) and endogenous oxytocin (the kind that is produced by our own bodies). What happens too often in our maternity wards in this country is that women are so stressed and frightened in labor that they have high adrenaline levels. These same women, if they had had proper preparation for labor and birth and if they had doulas or midwives with them throughout labor, would have adrenaline levels so low as to permit their own oxytocin to flow freely, thus helping them to progress well in labor and to give birth vaginally.

One of the reasons that we in the US have such high rates of cesarean section is that we fail to make it possible for women to have high levels of their own oxytocin during labor, because we don't understand why and how we should create relaxing atmospheres in which women can give birth.

You call breastfeeding a "lost art." This seems to be frustrating to many women: i.e., if it's so normal and natural and healthy, why does it seem to be so difficult?

Mammals — whatever the species — have trouble lactating or getting their milk into their young when they are forced to be in stressful environments. Milk doesn't flow from mother to infant unless the mother and her newborn are able to spend uninterrupted time with each other. The human is the only mammalian species that routinely separates its newborns from their mothers during the first few hours following birth.

Nature never meant us to live at the fast pace that young parents are almost forced to consider normal at the present day. Babies' cords are cut immediately after birth, and they're carried away to be examined, washed with soap, weighed, measured, and given antibiotic eye ointments. Anyone who is serious about giving babies the best possible chance to breastfeed doesn't separate babies and mothers for reasons like these. Nature never meant us to live at the fast pace that young parents are almost forced to consider normal at the present day.

And labor interventions can impact breastfeeding.

We tend to blame the problems on women's bodies, or even on "nature's design." In fact, there's nothing wrong with nature's design; it still works perfectly fine, but nature never meant us to live at the fast pace that young parents are almost forced to consider normal at the present day.

It's much easier for any woman to breastfeed if she has had the gift of watching many other mothers breastfeed. We are social creatures, and we learn from watching others. Primatologists have learned that primates in captivity have trouble nurturing their young unless they are permitted to live in social groups. We humans have yet to learn this about ourselves. A lot of our young mothers live in great isolation from each other.

Which is why you call for a "breastfeeding culture." Is it possible in modern society?

Norway is a highly industrialized country that deliberately put together a breastfeeding culture in the 1970s in order to turn away from its previous habit of formula-feeding all but 20% of its newborn babies. They changed hospital policies, medical education, and social behavior. No longer were infant formula manufacturers able to use hospitals as places where breastfeeding could be sabotaged at the get-go. Norwegians weren't used to seeing mothers breastfeeding in public. They learned to make accommodations for them, instead of demanding that these mothers make themselves invisible. Now Norway leads the world in breastfeeding.

Until that happens in the United States, what's your advice to new mothers?
I hope that over the next couple of decades we in the U.S. will have learned to create places in which women will be able to feed their babies in public, however and wherever they have chosen to do this. No one ought to be rude or judgmental about a woman feeding her baby. My advice to mothers is: do what you need to do, and don't assume that people will be judgmental or rude to you. You are doing everyone a favor by feeding your baby instead of forcing him or her to cry until you manage to go into hiding.
It's actually healthy and good for all children to see babies being breastfed. It helps to create sanity.

About the Author
author bio Jennifer Block is the author of Pushed: The Painful Truth About Childbirth and Modern Maternity Care (Da Capo 2007), and the blog Pushedbirth.com. Her articles and op-eds have appeared in the Village Voice, ELLE, The Nation, Mothering, the L.A. Times, and the Guardian. She's based in Brooklyn, NY.


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sammy May 19, 2:08 PM

Amy Tuteur, you ignorance contributes to the problem of c sections and hospital births. Btw, if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that of the 8 infants that have died (NOT ten) that included babies that were under her care but delivered at a hospital.. 3 or 4 I believe. Also, two infants died because of SIDS weeks after being born.. 2 deaths occurred before labor, one of which was delivered by a mother that was paralyzed from the waist down. Also, these deaths were not out of 1,000 but 2,200!!! Ina May Gaskin is an inspiration and every dr. out there could learn very much from her. Not ONE woman has died in childbirth in her care! As for the angry commenters below.. your bitterness makes me think you shouldn't be having children at all.

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Nov 16, 10:42 PM

Ms. Gaskin has not achieved "amazing" outcome on The Farm. In the only published study looking at The Farm, the neonatal death rate was an appalling 10/1000 (compared to a hospital neonatal death rate of approximately 3.8/1000 among comparable risk women delivering in the hospital). The Safety of Home Birth: The Farm Study, A. Mark Durand, Am J Public Health, 1992;82:450-452 is a classic case of homebirth advocacy deception. Durand calculated a neonatal death rate at The Farm of 10/1000. The neonatal death rate for comparable risk women during the same time period, but that is never mentioned in the study. Instead, in an effort to downplay the appalling death rate, Durand compared the death rate at The Farm with the 1980 US National Natality-National Fetal Mortality Survey. But the NNFMS is not a survey of low risk hospital births. According to the authors of the NNFMS, it was designed to study HIGH risk births. So in the only existing study of The Farm, the authors showed that the low risk women at The Farm had a neonatal death rate similar to high risk women in the hospital. That's not amazing.. That's appalling. This is par for the course for professional homebirth advocates. The US government data on homebirths shows that homebirth with an American homebirth midwife has nearly triple the neonatal death rate of hospital birth for comparable risk women. And MANA (the Midwives Alliance of North America) has publicly announced the existence of their database of over 10,000 CPM attended births evaluated on every possible parameter and is making the data available to researchers. There's just one problem: researchers must prove they will use the data to benefit homebirth midwives, otherwise they will not be allowed to see it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess that MANA's own data shows homebirth to have an increased rate of neonatal death. Homebirth with an American homebirth midwife kills babies. Ina May Gaskin won't tell you that, but that's what ALL the existing scientific evidence (including the only scientific publication from The Farm) and all the existing national statistics show. Amy Tuteur, MD

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Nov 16, 4:44 AM

Thank you Jennifer Block for doing this interview with Ina May Gaskin. I met Jennifer Block in December 2008 in Raleigh, NC when she came to help raise funds for North Carolina Friends of Midwives and talk about writing Pushed: The Painful Truth About Childbirth and Modern Maternity Care (Da Capo 2007). Now Ina May Gaskin is coming to the Triangle, NC to help raise funds and awareness for midwifery in North Carolina. She'll be at Duke University, White Lecture Hall - 1308 Campus Drive, East Campus for An Evening Lecture on December 5, 2009 at 7:00pm Ina May will speak about: * Reducing Infant Mortality Rates in North Carolina, * Safe Motherhood Across Ethnic Lines, * Safe Motherhood Quilt on Display. See ncfom.org for more information.

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Nov 13, 8:29 AM

i had a drug-free, hippie-style natural childbirth, baby never taken away, stuck on my breast after 20 seconds...and i couldn't breast feed AT ALL. lactation consultants were no help, save to make me feel like it was my fault. how about actual doctors taking this up as an issue instead of these non-medically trained folks who assume women are doing something wrong if they struggle to breastfeed. i also know of women who had epidurals and c-sections and had no trouble. it's ridiculous to attach this to the c-section phenomenon. and of course their c-section rates are low--they don't take high-risk women! hospitals with really high c-section rates are often that way because they specialize in high-risk births.

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Nov 13, 8:25 AM

i think the pressure to breastfeed is what makes women so stressed out.

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Nov 12, 6:20 PM

As someone who struggled to breastfeed my children, I encourage women to speak to a midwife or lactation consult while they are pregnant. With both my children I had an insufficient milk supply and had to supplement with formula. However, If I had not had a very very good midwife help me with my first baby I would not have been able to breast feed at all. We need to spend more time talking about how it does not need to be only formula or only breastfeeding, and if you trouble it is still worthwhile to breastfeed as much as the mother is able.

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Nov 11, 8:56 PM

Many thanks to Ina May for her work. I've been lucky enough to have three drug-free labors, the last two of which have been with midwives (though in a hospital -- my state is not friendly to other options). I appreciate her work, and there was so much information in her "Guide to Childbirth" that was so helpful in my last labor. It was a dream. Thanks, Ina May!

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Nov 11, 6:25 PM

Oh, Ina May. You were doing fairly well up until you implied that taking the babies away for...all of 5 minutes? less? is going to negatively impact breastfeeding? Because if we just cuddled with our newborns, cord intact, for that first 5 minutes, then breastfeeding would be a cinch? Bwah!

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Nov 11, 2:25 PM

I am very touched by her as well! I was fortunate to have a natural childbirth experience in a hospital and I attribute it to the experienced women I had with me as well as my very supportive husband. I was also fortunate to have other women before me that I am close with have natural childbirths so the experiences I was hearing were positive! Yet, so many women I meet now and hear of my natural, no-drug experience think that I am insane!! Oh well for them! I know better. And I am grateful for having nursed my son for 3 and 1/2 years too! I consider ourselves so very blessed for that time and I wouldn't question doing it again!!!

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Nov 10, 2:09 PM

I am so touched by this woman and her amazing life's dedication. Thank you for allowing me to have the opportunity to have a natural childbirth and to breastfeed my toddler now for almost 17 months. It's not easy in our society (as she so well points out). Thank you for helping swing the tide back to normality and sanity.


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