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Katha Pollitt interviewed on motherhood and feminism by Ada Calhoun for Babble.com.

Five Minute Time Out: Katha Pollitt

The feminist icon and mother on Learning To Drive. by Ada Calhoun

November 27, 2007

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Speaking of planning, there’s been a lot in the press lately about fertility anxiety and women not being able to have babies because they waited too long.

Well, the problem is, you can’t time these things perfectly, because first you have to find the father for the baby. That can take a while. Or you give up on the father of the baby and just do it on your own. You have to have your work in a good place, so you don’t end up being a cashier at the supermarket when you want to go back to work. And so, one thing leads to another and you end up trying to get pregnant later than you might have wanted.

You have been very vocal against Sylvia Ann Hewlett, who warned women they would regret it if they didn’t have kids early.

There are a lot of things that people regret in life that they did or didn’t do. I would’ve liked to have had a second child. I got started too late and then other things happened in my life and it didn’t happen. I haven’t written a novel either. I actually knew Judith Friedlander, whom Hewlett quoted as saying it was a “creeping non-choice” not to have a child. Sylvia Ann Hewlett made that sound like a skin disease. But actually what Judith meant, as she told me later, was not, “Oh my god, I forgot to have a baby. That’s so terrible.” It was, “Oh well, it didn’t happen.” No one gets everything. But it’s only with children that it’s made to seem like you might as well slit your throat. People say nobody on their deathbed ever wishes they spent more time in the office. But they sure do say, “I wish I’d had the money to leave that bastard I was married to.”

You’re very funny about breastfeeding: “Sure, for the first month it felt like being bitten by foxes, but after that it was more just a fizzy feeling, like having breasts full of champagne.” Why is there so much pressure on women to do it?

Why can’t they just say, “You might enjoy this. Give it a try”? But not, “If you don’t breastfeed your child, you are denying your child the chance of a healthy life.” Obviously that’s not true because my entire generation of middle class kids was bottle-fed and most of us are still here and we’ll2.jpg

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In some reviews of your book, people seemed to have gotten mad at you for revealing too much about yourself, or said, as Rebecca Traister did on Salon, that it made them anxious.

Toni Bentley in the Times Book Review accused me of giving too much information – says the woman who wrote a graphic anal-sex memoir! The people who reviewed the book as “what does this tell us about Katha Pollitt” and “what does this tell us about feminism” didn’t appreciate the screwball literary strategy. I think women are defensive now because we’re in a quite reactionary moment. All I can say is: read a biography of Simone DeBeauvoir. Nobody’s life is so perfect. That goes for everybody and not just feminists. Read the life of some born-again Christian and you’ll find they commit a lot of sins.

Do you see your daughter’s generation as more progressive about gender issues?

I think that things are changing slowly, but there’s a lot of pushback in pop culture. Let’s take the mainstreaming of the word “feminazi.” I remember when Rush Limbaugh started saying “feminazi.” I was shocked that anyone could get away with comparing women who believed women should have equal rights with the perpetrators of the Holocaust. It’s kind of amazing when you think about it. My daughter in her freshman sociology class was one of two students who raised their hand when the professor asked who was a feminist. Two.

But I bet most of those students believe in equal pay for equal work. Isn’t it better to be a feminist but not want to call yourself one than the other way around?

Feminism is the word that names both the idea that women should socially be equal to men and the ongoing social struggle to make that happen. When you lose the word, you lose the idea that gender is a way that society organizes itself – that women are expected to be this and men are expected to be that. I remember the beginning of Alison Pearson’s very funny book I Don’t Know How She Does It. The character is “distressing” the apple pie that she’s bought at the grocery store to pretend it’s homemade, because all the other mothers are bringing homemade stuff. I just wish there was a little more pushback from women about some of those totally time- and labor-intensive perfections. I’m not saying you shouldn’t bake cookies when you want to. I bake cookies. But really, your kids would be quite happy with Entenmann’s.

For more information, see KathaPollitt.blogspot.com.

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