The New Celibacy
Are Generation X parents giving up on sex?
I remember being sixteen and fearing people might find out I was having sex. Part of me wanted to scream, “How cool is this?!” But the rest of me worried that my friends would freak out if they knew I was doing it when most of them weren’t.
I’m having that same feeling all over again. Only now, I’m a forty-year-old mother of two. And the guy I’m having all this secret sex with is the one I’m married to.
My discomfort over divulging our near-daily hookups started last year. First, I mentioned it to some women at a party and was met with stony silence. Then, one of my friends told me she was considering divorce partly because her husband wouldn’t get physical.
I told her, almost apologetically, that after ten years together and two kids, we’re still constantly doing what Bob Eubanks used to call “making whoopee.” She said I was the first married mother she’d spoken to who is getting any.
I know it’s a classic ritual for married people in our culture to complain that sex and fun inevitably end once you get married. For decades, it’s been fodder for songwriters (“You don’t bring me flowers . . .”), sitcoms (Mr. Roper on Three’s Company) and stand-up comics (“Take my wife – please”).
Advice columnist Margo Howard remembers her mother, the late Ann Landers, hearing from our mothers’ generation when Viagra hit the market in the 1990s: “She was bombarded with letters from women saying, ‘Jesus, we thought that was over and now they come up with a drug?’”
But I always assumed that Gen-Xers who made comments about never getting any were kidding around, riffing off the whole “beleaguered spouse” stereotype. Aren’t we the ones who were so turned off by what we saw of our parents’ adult world that we didn’t want any part of it? Half the people I know wear sneakers and jeans to work, and borrow their kid’s DS to play Spore.
We grew up on Dr. Ruth’s rah-rah attitude toward sex and her very public advice about how to enjoy it. Today, we swim in a multimedia sea of sexual imagery. We’re offered constant dispatches on the sex lives of celebrities (including forty-five-year-old Brad and thirty-three-year-old Angie, poster children for both wild passion and familial procreation). This is the era of the “hot mom,” or so marketers will tell you. In our metastasized culture of self-help, we’re constantly fed tips on how to be the sexiest selves we can be. Aren’t we the last people who would stop having sex just a few years into marriage?
“I should share with you some of the emails that I get,” says marriage therapist and author Michele Weiner-Davis. “So often it’s from people in their twenties and their thirties saying, ‘This isn’t supposed to be happening to us. We’re young and we’re vibrant. And yet here we are.’:The thing that’s surprised me the most in my work is that I never really assumed that people your age would be experiencing this issue in the numbers that they are.”
Obviously, every married couple in America isn’t going without sex. Some, like Christina Moran, say things are blazing. Despite raising five children (four from their previous marriages, one they had together) she and her husband Kevin both say sex is a central part of their relationship.
Amid the stress of work and the challenge of blending their families, Christina Moran says, “the one thing through it all that we’ve always had was we could always turn to our sex life and know that we have that to let off stress.”
Moran, a thirty-nine-year-old accountant, started a side business in 2007. She teaches pole-dancing classes at a workout studio called Goddess Fitness in Bethesda, Md. Many of her students are married women looking to reconnect with their sense of sexiness.
Dana Suazo, a forty-one-year-old Colorado mom, has sex with her husband three or four times a week, though that number can drop if their three-year-old daughter is sick and awake at night. Suazo has girlfriends who’ve gotten divorced over an absence of sex. And she, too, has had awkward moments when divulging her busy love life. She recently quoted her frequency figure to friends, and “the rest of the girls were like, ‘Don’t say it too loud. Our husbands will hear!’”
Is it really a rare thing to be forty and still regularly having sex with your spouse? I started hunting for numbers, wanting to know just how many Gen-X parents are having little or no sex with their spouses. How do we compare to previous generations? “There just aren’t really good statistics,” says Jennifer Bass, information services director for the Kinsey Institute, which has tracked American sexual behavior since 1947. “Averages just don’t mean anything because everyone is different, every situation is different:There is no norm.”
Five Tips for Improving Your Sex Life
1. Talk – and listen.
Michele Weiner-Davis says communication is key: Let your partner know you’d like to have sex more often. Discuss – without complaining – what you really like and what you’re up for trying. Listen to what your spouse wants; preferences evolve over time, and needs may differ. “Unfortunately,” says Weiner-Davis, “we tend to give to our partner the things we need ourselves, rather than giving in the language of our partner.”
2. Schedule it.
“You wish it would always be the spontaneous thing,” says Dr. Tammy Zacchilli, “but there’s just so many other things going on . . . sometimes scheduling is the only way you know for sure.” It may sound unromantic to plan your hookup. But what you lose in spontaneity, you gain in anticipation. Rather than just planning a single date, agree to set aside time each week (maybe the same night each week at 10 p.m.?) for physical contact.
3. Set the scene.
You can easily make your bedroom more romance-friendly without spending a dime, says author Doug Brown. Put away the clutter and the laundry, remove toys or anything else belonging to the kids, then stow anything work-related. Gather up a few candles from around the house, maybe some good music, and put your favorite sheets on the bed. Make it a space focused on the two of you, rather than a spot for the whole family.
Last summer, The Journal of Sex Research reported on a study of “sensual and sexual marital contentment in parents of small children.” The sex lives of 452 parents had been studied in 2002 when their babies were six months old; they were analyzed again four years later. “Sexual contentment remained low,” the study said. “More parents had changed from being sensually content in 2002 to discontent in 2006, than the contrary.” Even those who hadn’t had a second child weren’t back to their pre-parenthood sex lives: “The average sexual frequency was low both at six months and at four years for both parents with and without additional children.”
That journal article also cited a 2005 study of 820 parents, which found that “the majority of parents had sexual intercourse once to twice a month when the baby was six months old.” But they took note of the overall lack of exploration of this subject: “There is a lack of research concerning the development of the parents’ relationship over a longer period of time and the experience of sensuality and sexuality in the role of a partner or parent.”
Much of the data available on the subject comes from surveys by companies with a stake in the outcome. Last November, an online survey funded by the chipmaker Intel caused some brief buzz when they announced that 52 percent of women ages 35-44 would rather go without sex for two weeks than give up the Internet for that long.
In other words, the Internet has become indispensable to our personal and professional lives. But sex, assuming you’re not seeking to conceive, is totally dispensable in the short run. And so, given how overscheduled so many of us are, it’s getting repeatedly moved to tomorrow’s to-do list because today is already packed.
“I have a recurring dream that my husband and I are trying and trying to have sex, but always to no avail and always with the greatest frustration,” says Elizabeth Lasseter, a thirty-nine-year-old mother of three who lives in Alabama. She and her husband are “still very attracted to each other and would have sex more often if we had more time alone,” she says, but for now “we are not defying that sex-dies-down-after-marriage rule.”
Doug Brown, author of Just Do It: How One Couple Turned Off The TV and Turned On Their Sex Life For 101 Days (No Excuses!), says that since his book was published last summer he’s heard lots of stories from sexless readers – friends and strangers alike. “They’re like, ‘You know, we haven’t done it in like a year.’ Or, ‘We only do it, like, every few months if we’re lucky,’” says Brown, a forty-three-year-old father of two.
Why, then, despite our sexed-up, forty-is-the-new-thirty culture, does this seem to be so common?
“We go to school, we get our degrees, maybe we go to grad school,” says Dr. Tammy Zacchilli, professor of psychology at Saint Leo University in Florida, who studies marriage. “We’re getting older while all of that is happening. We don’t want to think we are, but we are. Then you bring the kids into that. . .”
Some spouses who both work outside the home arrange their work schedules to share child-care duties. Working opposite hours, they’re rarely home hanging out together. Even off-duty, many of us have bosses who want us wirelessly reachable 24/7. And the range of digital entertainment and information coming at us provides added distraction.
This is also a very kid-focused generation of parents. Many of us spend as much of our free time with our offspring as possible, and truck them to a time-consuming array of extracurricular activities.
4. Prepare yourself.
No one’s expecting you to get buff or go macrobiotic. But taking decent care of your body and thinking about what you’re putting into it can make a major difference, says sex columnist Yvonne K. Fulbright. So eat a little better, exercise a bit more and get sleep as best you can.
5. Eliminate distractions.
Don’t turn on the TV as soon as you walk into the bedroom at night, says Brown. And don’t split your attention between your partner and the digital world: If you reflexively check e-mail or Facebook throughout the evening, try to kick the habit. Multi-tasking is great, but sex happens when people focus on each other. Sometimes the problem is communication: “The way people say ‘I want to have sex’ is often ‘Are you coming to bed?’ And if someone says, ‘No, not right now,’ that’s it. There’s no sex,” says Lori Brown, a sociologist who teaches sexuality at Meredith College in Raleigh, N.C. “We’re inundated with sexuality, and yet we don’t talk about sexuality. The average Americans don’t talk about ‘what I like, what I want.’”
We must devote more time and energy to physical intimacy, the experts say. But time and energy are in ridiculously short supply. In many cases, not only are people too busy to have sex, they’re also too busy to notice that they miss it.
And that’s the scary part.
Because it’s not nearly as dispensable in the long run as it may seem when you’re skipping it. It’s a glue that keeps people together. It keeps you focused on each other and forces you to let your guard down in a way that nothing else can. “There’s a link between sexual satisfaction and relationship satisfaction,” Zacchilli says. “It’s something important.”
Weiner-Davis, the therapist, has many patients who assumed their marriages would keep bubbling along without much sex, while they focused on children and work. “I’m here to tell people,” she says, “if you put your sex life and intimacy, physical or emotional, on hold, you’ll be sitting in my office, if you’re lucky, or in a divorce lawyer’s office.”
The message seems to resound: If you like your marriage and want it to keep going, make time for sex. What have you got to lose – especially right now? We’re in a recession, with all its stress and distraction and potential marital arguments over money. Forget the babysitter. Forget the romantic dinner and movie or the weekend getaway. Get busy with your partner in your own bed at home. Sex with your spouse isn’t just good for your marriage. It’s also free.








Just from my own experience, and that of some of my friends. I think it’s that those of us who marry later (mid 30s) are more likely to marry people based on something other than sexual attraction/passion. We choose husbands who have the qualities that make for good long-term partners, which are not always that sexy.
From 15-30 I had lots of sex with the kinds of boys/men I found sexually exciting and attractive. I was smart enough to know that they weren’t the kinds of guys who would make good fathers/husbands. I married a man I love who is a great father/husband, but I’m just not as physically/sexually attracted to him as I was to past boyfriends.
For me, missing my old sex life is the same as missing my old life of sleeping in, traveling etc. Yes, sometimes I miss it, but I’d rather have what I have now, a great, loving husband, great kids, no sleep and less sex.
Previous poster (“grewup”): I was going to say that!!!!!!
I don’t know if this contributes to a huge amount for the sex decline, but pre-kid sex came with a bunch of accessories and prep time: lingerie, make-up, long hot baths, candles, music, a nice dinner, massages, toys, etc. Just listing all that out made me tired. Who has time (or funds, or life energy) for that stuff anymore?
And now as a parent of 2, having never slept through the night uninterrupted for 6 years, I personally am all for the good ol’ tried-and-true 10 minute roll in the hay. Don’t shave anything, don’t hunt around for the Jodeci CD, just get sloppy and enjoy ourselves as we are. That said, our “sex rate” probably hovers around once every two weeks, so I’m sure there are plenty of other factors as well.
We’re at about twice or three times a week, which I think is really high given the jokes on our playground. Like the author, I feel “in the closet” about still sleeping with my husband. I like how the article argues (like Julie, above!) for the importance of making it happen anyway you can.
This article made me cry. Literally. I haven’t had sex with my husband since my child was conceived in Oct 2007 and before that I’m pretty sure it had been at least 6 months. As I was reading I thought, “Maybe I’m the mom who gave the writer the ‘stony silence’ when she said she had sex daily.” I am more than jealous. Ok, I’m going to go cry some more. Not sure why I posted this except that maybe I just needed to “tell” someone.
But I’m so tired!!!!! I still put out about 1-2 X a week for my husband’s sake, but honestly, I’d rather snuggle and read or watch TV with him. I still feel very connected to him emotionally–and honestly, he’s my best friend–but the thought of physical contact is just not appealing when you’ve got a toddler and a baby literally hanging on you all day. I just need a break from being touched! Plus, the baby *still* doesn’t sleep, so that’s definitely a factor. From 9pm, the sleep clock is ticking for mama.
All that said, I am optimistic that once the kids are a little less needy–at least physically–I’ll get my groove back.
I’ll third what the first two posters said. I didn’t marry the hot James Dean type I dated when I was younger. For me, sex as a grown-up is much different than it was as a hot young thing. Maybe that’s sad for some, but I’m so happy with him it doesn’t matter that the sex is more infrequent and not quite as mind-blowing as it was. Happy = 10 seconds, Happy Life = a lifetime.
I wonder if at least some of it has to do with people being selfish. What I mean by this is, it often seems to me that we’ve left some concept of “do it even if you don’t want to.” Clearly, I’m not condoning marital rape or anything, and there are times when it’s just not going to happen. Sometimes, though, I have sex with my husband just because he wants to (and, yes, I do end up enjoying it, though I covet the minutes of sleep that I just lost!). I think that being “in the mood” is overrated. Isn’t sex often the grease that some marriage wheels need? I find that it often relaxes my husband some so that he’ll talk to me more easily about what’s going on with his life at work. What’s the big deal if I put out some just to make him happy? I also start to feel guilty if I don’t put out enough, that I’m depriving him of something. (And he’s not getting it anywhere else, so I think that this view is true-to-life!) I wish that my husband tell me that he needs/wants sex more frequently (he totally uses the “Are you coming to bed yet?” cop-out question mentioned in the article!), but I don’t see what the big deal is if I swallow my pride and act like “the horny one” in order to encourage something that I suspect that he wants, just to make him happy. He sacrifices for me; occasionally having sex even if I’m “not in the mood” seems like a reasonable “sacrifice” to make for him.
I also think that our culture devalues sex. Sure, our culture is obsessed with it, but it’s cheapened in people’s lives and people’s minds. This coming from a conservative woman who was a virgin at age 25 when she married, despite plenty of boyfriends and a healthy sex drive. So I’m perhaps a bit of an unpopular, old-fashioned curmudgeon when it comes to who should be having sex with whom!
Oh, come on, girls! Remember that scene in the 40-Year-Old Virgin when Steve Carell asks, You mean, if you dont use it, you lose it? The answer, I now believe, is YES! My husband and I had and amazing sex life until the birth of our sonbut then we drifted into the once-ever-two-weeks-or-so category. And it made me so sad. We found that theres just too much pressure when you only do it every few weeks as in, “oh man, we better make this one count because who knows when it might happen again!” We decided as a New Years goal to really work on it, together, and Im happy to say that were back into the three-or-four-times-a-week category. Sex is fun again and as article states, its free stress relief!
I do think you can have a good sex life without actually going all-out every time smooching and touching and nibbling works just as well. And I dont find the little tips in the sidebar here to be very helpful (and frankly, theyre pretty clich’), but here are some things that work for us:
* Think about what it was that first turned you on about your spouse, and dwell on it. Even if you’ve both put on 20 lbs, that turn-on is still there somewhere.
* Write flirty e-mails and text messages to one another nothing kinky, but enough to say yeah, baby, Im thinking about you nekkid!
* Touch each other as often as possible a big, warm hand cupping my backside while Im prepping dinner gives me a little rev, and I know a kiss on the earlobe while hes folding laundry makes my husbands knees wobble.
* Kiss often. And I don’t mean the standard peck-on-the-lips kissing. I find a big ol’ Hollywood smooch before we walk out the door in the morning does wonders later.
* Come up with a secret code phrase or words for lets have sex that you can say in front of the kids. Its fun and devlish to talk about sex over a game of Cootie, for instance, kinda like that time in high school you snogged your boyfriend in the TV room while your parents slept upstairs. (My husband, btw, is the master of innuendo he can turn just about every phrase into something suggestive just with the inflection of his voice, and our son hasnt got a clue, of course.)
* Set the alarm clock for 30 minutes before you usually wake, and enjoy an early-morning roll in the hay before the kids are awake. Or even better shower together! You can even do this after the kids are awake; kids these days are so energy conscious, theyll be proud of you for conserving water.
* After the kids are in bed, put some blankets and pillows on the floor in front of the boob tube and enjoy some good old-fashioned heavy petting in front of a grown-up movie. (Not necessarily a porno, but something with a touch of smolder to is.) Make a deal that you won’t do the deed til the movie is done…see where that leads…
* Convince yourself that youre sexy. Whatever you have to do put on some extra mascara, shave your legs, dab on your favorite cologne and repeat some self-affirming Im hot! mantras throughout the day. If you can sell it to yourself, your spouse will definitely pick up the vibe. (This is the biggest challenge for most of us harried moms, I thinkwe just dont feel sexy, and our hubbies pick up on that.)
* Walk around in your undies and/or bra from time to time. It really will not scar your children to know that Mommy has hot legs or boobs.
* Tell your significant other at least twice a day that s/he is beautiful/handsome/hot/brilliant/hunky/delicious, etc. Trust me. Its a real turn-on.
Tired – I am right with you. I would love to have more, but really – I’d rather sleep.
just f*ck, people…and if you don’t feel like the full deal, ladies, just give him a BJ…it helps…sex needn’t take long…ours is good and clock in under a half hour easy
Conceiving was not easy for us. I had a few miscarriages, and each time I was pregnant it took about 6 months of trying. After a while, it felt so mechanical. (Honey, I’m fertile, get ready!) I know people say to just relax, but that is way easier said than done. It really changed the way we both viewed sex – less about fun and more about work. Was this the case with anyone else?Now that my son is older, and after really being committed to it, we are up to about once a week, which is way less than before our pre-trying to have a baby time, but we feel pretty good about it.
I’m in the same spot as “on the wagon” and I am devastated. Would a few men please read this essay and put in their two cents about why they don’t ask for sex anymore and/or why they turn away when their wives put the moves on? This is the worst emotional experience I have ever had and one I could never have imagined.
It doesn’t seem like any other husbands are jumping into the fray so I guess I’ll risk it.
I have to say I don’t get the husbands who say “no” to their wives as my sweet wife would be in the “tired” camp and I’m the one having to hint, cajole, and beg. It gets old, especially at only 37. This also seems to be the prevailing theme among most of the men I talk to and the baby excuse wears a bit thin after 3 years. For me the worst part is that cheating isn’t an option and you get tired of being denied so there ends up being this misconception that once every couple months is sufficient and wanting more is being unappreciative of last month’s effort. Where as increased cuddling just puts someone to sleep faster and therapy is just another hour of childcare to scrounge up.
I love my wife and daughter, but I think I would have paid more attention in my twenties if I knew that was going to be it.
Congratulations to all the couples still making it work.
Isn’t it possible that all the all sex obsession we had pre-kids had a lot to do with a desire to make babies, and once the baby making is done, or the baby making arrangement is secured (we get married) the desire to have sex three times a day subsides?
I have read that when men get married their testosterone level goes down pretty substantially, and pretty quickly. It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective — sex consumes time and energy, and the point of it is primarily to make babies, and secondarily to form a strong pair bond with mates whom we need to help us raise kids. If you have those two things taken care of, what’s the point? Oh yeh, it’s fun, I forgot.
Some of these comments are incredibly depressing. I guess I run with a different crowd than most, because I was under the impression that my 4 of 5 times a week was pretty run of the mill. I completely agree with “ChiLaura.” Sometimes in a marriage in order to make things work you do things just to make your partner happy. Sometimes I have sex when I’m not in the mood because once we get going it’s amazing and it makes my husband happy. I don’t feel like I’m putting myself out by putting out. And I don’t feel like some ’50s housewife doing my “wifely duty.” It’s just one of the compromises of marriage. Thankfully, it’s a pretty rare occasion when one of us isn’t in the mood!
Honestly, if you’re not sexually attracted to your husband/wife – what’s the point? At some point one or both of you will want something more.
I have to echo what “tired” said. I have two toddlers who are all over me like white on rice every day, and what I want at the end of the day is to JUST BE ALONE for a while. I have had enough snuggling/hanging on/being climbed on/knees and elbows in my ribs for one day. My poor husband! However (ahem!) there’s a lot to be said for a good BJ. Those happen a lot more here than any other form of sex!
Just posting to say that us stay-at-home dads who spend all day with the baby then spend two hours after baby’s bedtime with a wife who’s fried from work can get mighty frustrated, too.
There is something so … strange, I guess, about the author’s premise. In what part of modern America is it more hip, more cool, to say that you have no sex, then it is to say that you have it nearly every day? Most married people I know would be a bit ashamed to tell each other that they weren’t enjoying a good sex life. The whole idea behind this story seems pretty logically suspect.Wasn’t this the same writer who tried to made the case that co-sleeping is responsible for children’s sleep issues?
The funny thing I feel exactly the opposite of the author, I feel like the one in the closet about my lack of sex life. A few of my co-workers and my chiropractor (because my S/O told him!) know that my S/O and I have not had sex in over a year. Only once or twice since our daughter was born. We have plenty of reasons both outside our control and just related to our sex drives. I don’t agree that sex makes a happy, healthy, marriage. Marriage for most people means no or less sex and people know that before getting married or having child. Lack of sex can usually be related to other problems in the relationship, no sex probably is more of a symptom then a cause of a bad relationship.
Ok, one of the husbands here posting. Gotta say this is a conversation I’ve had many times with my wife, that I need more sex in our relationship. Before our child we were great together, in fact it’s one of the reasons I fell in love with her and married her… she seemed to enjoy, initiate and want sex as often as I did (3-5 times a week). Then during the pregnancy and for 6 years later, it dropped significantly… first only a couple times a year then up to once a month. We’re finally getting back to once per week, but that’s still not enough for me. I get all the usual excuses (tired, headache, going to bed early, kid might get up in the middle of the night, big day tomorrow, etc) when I get frisky for more.When talking about the situation, it usually ends up in a “I need/she needs stalemate”. If I keep pushing for my needs, I’m selfish (her words, then my feelings of guilt)… but what I never get to say (for fear they’re words I can never take back) is that the last 6 years she’s been ignoring my needs… which, has essentially the same sort of selfishness that I’ve been accused of now. Wanting some sort of equilibrium and pace to return to our sex-life is not selfish… in fact I’ve been “self-less” for 6+years now. @ ChiLaura, I really appreciated your posted comment here, thank Mila for agreeing with her.It’s interesting that the author and her “guest contributing” therapists/lawyers/etc didn’t find any other references or studies. Dan Savage had a great post about this same issue, and cited a study that seems to be more in line with what the author says “should be average” pace/behavior for our sex life. http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=680268 While the study had its flaws (as they all do), it should be at least evidence that it married-with-children sex happens more than the cliches would have us believe (and it should happen more). I like Dan’s comment and then advice (read it if you’re interested) on how to acknowledge need for sleep AND get your partner’s frequency addressed (quickly).I have to say that I agree with the author and her experts here… the conclusion that sexual satisfaction being directly correlated with marriage satisfaction is something that resonates with what I’m feeling… wish that was understood and a shared-belief by my (now) lower-sex-drive wife.Oh, and I feel like I have to thank/recognize some of the previous post comments :@ grewup, pro and con, marj : I know you think you married the guy who is more than just a sex partner, but you’re not even mentioning his point-of-view in your posts. What if he wants more sex than you’re having, what if you’re depriving him of something that makes him feel good and he feels he “needs”. Then you don’t sound like the loving partner you describe him being for you (and maybe he’d even be more loving in the ways you appreciate if you upped your frequency a little)@ Amya : that’s all I’m asking for is 2-3 days a week, sounds like a reasonable frequency@ GP, Tori and More Anon : Thank you for your posts, guys don’t need full-out sex to feel wanted/appreciated/sexy… a couple BJ’s a week when you’re too tired for anything else… works just fine, and who knows you may end up getting rev’d up for more in the process of one of those making it great for everyone.
Thanks to Selfless and all the other husband who are giving their side.Some are talking about asking for more sex, and getting denied. I have to say, one big reason women start wanting less sex because they feel terrible about the way they look. Even for those who lose the weight, their bodies are just not the same. Add to that the pressure of seeing all those fab celebrity moms who look bikini ready within weeks of having a child.If you are thinking “well, the wife should just take better care of herself”, it is not always that easy. I lost the weight pretty quickly, but even with doing crunches at night, my belly just isn’t the same. For those of us who don’t have the inclination/money to have plastic surgery, this is how we will be.My advice would be to let your partner know she is still hot. If you don’t touch her or look at her all week, and then ask for sex, your chances will be slim. We know men are much more visual than women. (Seriously, if a man has a little belly, nobody really cares. But a woman dare have a slight paunch. How dare she not take care of herself!)And just try and boost up her self-esteem in general. We are expected to be super-moms, super-hot, and for those working outside the home, super career women too. It is so easy to start feeling inadequate, and a husband’s attention can really help a wife feel better about herself. (And of course it goes both ways, women should do the same for their hubbies, but if you are the one craving sex, initiating the compliments will only help!)
I often hear the argument that Cali mom is putting forth, that the lack of frequency stems from a lack of romance, tenderness, and compliments. Though what I’ve seen, and is my experience, is that even when I and other husbands lay on the compliments, cuddling, and affection it is received in one of two mistaken ways. Either that we are only doing those things to get sex (yes, of course that’s what you said you wanted, we already told you what we wanted too) or that the cuddling, romance, and affection should be enough and why are we ruining it with sex. I think those things are valid, and if they are missing from your relationship then that’s a valid concern. I think most husbands are attracted to their wives, and that women are their own worst critics when it comes to their post-pregnancy appearance. I think my wife looks great, which is part of the reason I want to make love to her. I think the self-esteem issue goes both ways and I don’t think wives think about how denying a husband for years on end damages their husbands self-esteem.
Marcus Brown, I totally agree with what you are saying. We need to help our husbands’ self-esteem also, and not having sex is a big downer to everyone. And I also agree that we are much harsher critics of our looks than our husbands are. (With a few exceptions. One of my male friends from college was always obsessed with skinny girls, and although he was very physically attracted to his wife when they met, they really had nothing else in common. After his wife had their son, he confided in me that he had a hard time being attracted to her because she wasn’t slim like she used to be. I do think he is an exception, though.)I think one thing that happens is that, these days, men are very involved in child rearing, so they are exhausted too. They may think their wives look great, but they just don’t have the bandwidth to do all the things they used to do (compliments, etc.). Combine this with women not feeling too good about themselves, and it makes it look like the husband is no longer attracted. I do not blame men for this. Jeez, we all are expected to be everything at all times. But I do think men need to understand that this comes into play.Maybe you are doing this already, but the compliments and cuddling can’t only come right before you want sex. This was happening to us for a little while, then I told my husband my concern. He seemed to suddenly wake up. He did not realize what he was doing, and how could he with all the craziness of having a new baby? It really did not take long for us to give each other what we both needed.Ultimately, the key is to have good communication, and a willingness to make our partners happy. I know I have some female friends who are dissatisfied with their relationships, but don’t tell their husbands in a straightforward way, thinking their husbands should just know what they want. What a recipe for dissatisfaction!
Well, to be honest, when I first got together with my husband I had to adjust to his lower sex drive. He is also has difficulty asking for what he wants, and is kinda embarrassed by anything outside of standard missionary sex. Then when we started trying to have a baby, he suffered from ED, which made the whole thing worse – to the point where I packed away all my sexy nighties because they made him feel pressured. So, yeah, I’m denying him the frequency he wants right now (he’d probably be happy with once a month), because I am pregnant and anxious to not endanger our hard-won twins (not to mention being huge and uncomfortable, and gassy – oooh, sexy). Once we are ready to get back into the swing of things again though, I fully expect to have to be the one who says Hey, shall we get it on tonight? so that he doesn’t go to bed, and fall asleep disappointed because I didn’t know he was in the mood, or worse stay up all night playing games online so that I’ve gone to sleep before him. So seriously, I didn’t marry Don Juan – married sex has been an adjustment. My criteria for a good husband was attraction on every level, not just does he make my special places tingle.
My spouse wants to have less sex than I do (I’m the woman). Note, I say want. Because I don’t NEED to have more sex. I need to breathe, I need to eat, etc. I don’t need sex. I like having sex with him, I wish we had more, but it’s ridiculous to characterize it as a need. When I hear people say that it smacks of entitlement to me, that you think you’re entitled to your spouse’s body, and that disturbs me. Your spouse isn’t obligated to have sex with you: that’s prostitution. Your spouse chooses to have sex with you. If that choice isn’t being made any more, for whatever reason, and you feel that the lack of sex is more important than any other factor he or she is contributing to the relationship, you are free to leave your partner and go find a new relationship.
As for me, I’m sticking with my spouse. I can get myself off. I can’t get up with the kid in the morning and make breakfast and sleep in at the same time. I can’t discuss a worry I have about our child’s health with myself (well, I can, but it wouldn’t be the same). I can’t give myself a back rub when I’ve had a long day and I’m stressed out.
we can’t ignore the major hormonal fluctuations women have. my husb.
and i use natural family planning and since i have learned to track my
ovulation, i am very aware of the estrogen drop after ovulation. i can
really feel the difference in sexual desire before (when estrogen is
higher) and after ovulation. being aware of these changes throughout
the month have helped me understand my sex drive and i take steps to
make sure to make time for sex early in my cycle (even thought i’m tired) because i can predict
that i won’t feel like it in the second half.
I have only known two couples who had sex almost daily. Both of them wound up divorced because the husband was a sex addict. For them the sex was a fix they had to have. Not a way to connect with their partner. Very sad.
another thought: i wonder if contraceptives can be contributing to the celibacy problem? i mean, the pill etc makes the woman “always available”, whereas with a natural family planning method, for a couple who is avoiding conceiving, there is a built-in break in the action during the fertile period (about a week or so). the wait can make the sex more desirable.
of course, i think the bigger issue is that sex with the same person after years and years just isn’t as hot as when the relationship was new.
grewup – I have to say I completely disagree with your pov.
I hate this pervasive attitude (that seems to come up all the time,) that the men we find sexually exciting can’t possibly be good husbands and fathers. Who made up this ridiculous myth? It is insulting to the men we dated and the ones we marry. It is not immature to see sex as an important part of a good long marriage.
In my experience, often the men who were great temporary sex partners , ended up getting married to someone else. Like every newlywed, they hope for as much happiness as I did, when I got married. Just because these men weren’t the right fit for one woman (or at least not a lifetime fit), doesn’t mean they weren’t right for someone else. Maybe some were jerks, but not all of them stayed that way. I’ll bet everyone has been a jerk at some point.
Also, I’d say most boys between 15 – 20 are not ready to be good fathers or husbands. At that age I wasn’t ready to be a good wife or mother. I wasn’t even a good girlfriend much of the time. I had a lot to learn about loving someone else.
Sorry JJ, the guys I find sexually attractive are by definition not good husbands/fathers. I’ll spare you the TMI about what that is, but that’s how I’m wired. I’m not saying everyone is wired that way, many, many people find nurturing, loving men hot, I don’t. But, I love my husband, I have sex with him, and I’m happier with having a nurturing, stable relationship with less sex, and less satisfying sex than I would be with a hot sex life and an irresponsible partner. I grew up, meaning I realized I couldn’t have everything. None of us can, but we all have to decide for ourselves what the non-negotiables are.
grewup, I’m really sorry to hear that you’ve married and had children with a man that you don’t find sexually attractive. I hope he doesn’t know that.
Really good comments here on this article. I’m a husband, we have a 5 year old son and have been mostly happily married for nearly 12 years. I’m 38 and my wife is 40. Last fall, after a year of no birth control (trying to have another child) and regular sex about 1x a week, we stepped up the trying and suddenly we had to have sex RIGHT NOW which was, um, not helpful to me. I suffered a couple bouts of ED and my wife’s anxiety over reaching 40, not getting pregnant, etc…coupled with my fear of it happening again sent us into the crapper. We talked and read books, but the resentment and anger and hostility and disappointment had taken root and we went thru six months of really hellish stuff. Thankfully, we protected our little boy from it very well, and now we’re in therapy to try to right the ship. It ain’t easy.
She also told me then that, while we had been having more sex than most of the couples we knew were reporting, she had been very unsatisfied with the quality of our sex life for many years. Ouch!
It’s so complicated, sex, but I do believe that if you’re having sex 1x a month or 1x a day, it should be a real intimate connection rather than just rote memory of what to touch, in what order, etc…
We’re trying, but it’s not easy… Sex IS important, and those that think it can leave the marriage without any real consequence are fooling themselves. We almost divorced twice these past six months…and we’re totally still in love with each other!
Best to all here trying to make their marriages stronger.
I do feel for couples who once had a great sex life, but then life got in the way…it seems though that the pressure to have it frequently seems unfair. I’d say that the biggest obstacle seems on both partners agreeing on the perfect mix. Talking about how many times per week seems unrealistic – my husband and I have a great sex life but occasionally it is once a month and occasionally it’s 5 x a week. I am one of those lucky ones…we’re both 38 and our sex life has always been extrememly satisfying. But, we get it when one person is exhausted or our children need us more. We both know that when we have time, we’ll have great sex. In fact, I’m looking forward to 45 because then the kids will be older and we’ll both have more time for eachother.
I think the most important reason that we’re both so satisfied with our sex life is that my husband and I didn’t settle – we married eachother because we were in madly in love, we had similar values, enjoyed eachother’s company AND because it was the best sex of our lives. We each had some or most of those things with various exes, but the difference was we had ALL of them with eachother. We both know that because we didn’t settle, we now reap the rewards. We really want our children to know that each person deserves the complete package.
I have many girlfriends who married for the sake of a wedding, for the security of a man with high income earning potential, or the stability of a “family” man. 10- 15 years later, none of them have good sex lives and many have had affairs or their husbands have. Those who don’t take the affair route have frequent fantasies NOT about their husbands, including workhusbands/crushes, etc.
It may have been luck for me…but any person out there about to get married should really have their eyes WIDE open before saying yes to someone who is not the full package.
Good point mrb1. Sex, for me, is more about making a real intimate connection with my husband than about hanging from the chandeliers. I don’t know if it can leave a marriage and not leave devastation behind, but I do know that if you make an effort and truly love each other a rough patch doesn’t have to end your marriage, or your love.
It sounds like you and your wife both have a real commitment to make things work.
and SAHD, you make it sound like there is no possible way anyone could be sexually attracted to anyone who would make a bad spouse or parent. I’m sorry if it sounds cold to choose not to commit to someone who you would think would embody bad parent or spouse even if they really rev your engine. Really sexual attraction is only a fraction of what love is – I hate to say it, but especially for women. We are wired to protect our offspring, and while Bad Boy may be fun when we’re 20, we may not want to think of Bad Boy tossing us or our kids around the living room when we’re 30. And yeah, maybe that means we made a bad decision at 20, but for the lucky ones those bad decisions do not have to be permanent.
I completely understand that someone can be attracted to another person who isn’t good spouse/parent material – but it sounds like grewup isn’t saying that. She’s saying or implying that she’s ONLY attracted to bad material, and that as a result she settled for someone who she wasn’t (and still isn’t) attracted to. That potentially sets up an awful dynamic right off the bat, doesn’t it?
If her reasoning for the dry spell in her marriage’s sex life isn’t “we’re exhausted” or “it’s hard to schedule the time” or “my hormones are weird postpartum,” but is instead “I’m not attracted to my husband and never have been, but I settled for him because he struck me early on as a better earner and father figure than the kind of guys that actually turn me on,” that will be a lot harder to explain to HIM without it collapsing his ego.
I know that if my wife were to say that to me, or I were to find it out through the grapevine, it would be a pretty hard pill to swallow.
Imagine the kind of feedback that a man would get here for saying the same sort of thing – “I’ve never been all that attracted to my wife, but I’m willing to be in a perfunctory sexual relationship and marriage with her because she’s a safe bet for being a good mother”…he’d be eaten alive by the people here (myself included), who’d likely accuse him of using her, of potentially cheating on her in the future, and of basing a relationship on convenience while comparing his wife unfavorably to old flames.
I’m sure there’s more to grewup’s relationship than she’s projected, and I don’t mean to say that I condemn her marriage or anything like that. I just hope that she can understand how hurtful it would be for her husband to hear that their sex life is a low priority for her specifically because he isn’t as sexy as guys she knew before they were married.
Of course, if my wife took an interest in me based on my potential earning ability, she’d be pretty sadly mistaken by now…
Since it appears some are still lingering here after several days…I wonder if anyone who has faced a very rough patch in their marriage (sexaully speaking to stay on topic) can talk about how they got their groove back so to speak?
Could be helpful to those of us fumbling around in the dark trying to rekindle the sex life and leave the anxiety, guilt and fears behind.
Why must marriage and sex be so challenging!?
I’ve definitely been challenged since I’ve been breastfeeding our ten month old. My sex drive just hasn’t been what it once was pre-baby (dang hormones!). HOWEVER, I still see the value and importance of physically connecting with my husband and even though I don’t often feel like it beforehand, we still have sex 2-4x/wk. b/c I understand that it’s important to him and, therefore, us. He’s satisfied with quickies and an often lazy partner so there’s the compromise. I think the important way to fix and get the groove back in the relationship is to just to have sex at the next opportunity. It doesn’t have to be mind-blowing or take an hour, but just get over that mental hump (no pun intended) and just start having sex. When you get anxious about it – do it. When you have a clogged duct but everything else is ok – do it. Just like I get up 2x/night to nurse my daughter, I help my husband with his need to get it up. It keeps the family in harmony.
mrb1 – I think keeping a door open to intimacy is how we’ve kept our connection. Even when not having the best time in the bedroom, we have a casually physical relationship all the time. When we bump into each other in the kitchen we sometimes hug, when I see him at the computer working, I’ll stop and massage his shoulders for a few moments, when we’re out and about we hold hands or walk with our arms around each others waists. Also, when we become aware that a less physical distance has come between us, we make an effort to talk about it and make plans to do something together that will help us connect. Sometimes that involves phsycial intimacy without expectation of sex – we can concentrate on connecting without stress. It’s just good to be open with each other – and it sounds like you’re working on that yourself.
I can guarantee if a man insists on sex daily with his partner he is a sex addict. Check their computer. Loaded with porn. They visit bath houses, take lots of trips. The wives have lots of bladder infections and vaginal infections. They masturbate a lot. It is a huge problem in this country and much worse than people think. Both of the couples I know personally went through hell with this diagnosis. Both of the wives were gorgeous, one was a former model and photographer. Their self esteem was shot. Essentially, their husbands used them to masturbate every day. It is not about sex but anxiety and tends to get worse as the men age, lose a job or feel emasculated. I am lucky. My dear partner has a low sex drive. Suits me fine!
So sad – I am a husband who wants less sex than his wife and I will make an attempt to share the male perspective, or at least that of this one. I find my wife quite beautiful and sexy, but I find that a few different factors conspire to reduce my appetite considerably.
The first is that the male sex drive does decline some over time, for most men anyway, and I think particularly for men who are passionately engaged in their work, and other aspects of life. When I was younger, sexual encounters were enormous ego boosts for me (and I don’t think I am along here, I think this is wired into the male brain). Now that I have a lot more ego affirmation through other aspects of my life, I am much less reliant on the ego affirmation that I used to get from sexual exploits.
Second is that for better or worse, I do think that men are naturally attracted to novelty and variety. You can blame men for this till the cows come home, but I do think that this is just the way it is for the majority of men, and not an individual character flaw in the guy who happens to be your husband.
I am very happy in my marriage, and I believe that a balance of occasional sex and masturbation can lead to a healthy marriage for both parties. I am not sure I agree that reduced sex is in and of itself a problem for a marriage; I think the ego deflation that reduced sex causes is a problem. If both parties have the presence of mind to be confident and affirmed in their relationship and lives, I think you have a great marriage. It’s quite sad to hear so many women feeling so much pressure to keep their husbands happy in bed, although at the same time this is probably logical. They key is to find a healthy balance.
I think variety in approaches to sex can satisfy much of the male desire for variety – mix it up. Be playful. Have fun. I think the key is to enjoy your marriage, try to really understand what each party wants (you don’t have to feel pressure to want sex all the time), and engage in the various pleasures of your life. Thank goodness life opens up so many varied pleasures, and it’s not just about sex and alcohol our entire lives.
onemaleperspective – you are right that we get, well, very familiar with our wives’ bodies (and they with ours.) My wife has told me a couple times, if I were a different woman lying here next to you you would be all over me. It’s true (and for her too I imagine). You’re right that spicing things up helps, but that is easier said than done. When you have two parties who are not going to have an affair, you have to come to a balance. The trick is…how do you get there when you’re dealing with two different and independant human beings who see things from two different perspectives? My wife has told me she doesn’t necessarily want more sex (though we have not been intimate during the past half year as we sort through what I mentioned in my post above) she just wants sex that connects us better. Whatever that means…! Or I should say, however we’re supposed to get to that point when we’re both anxious about it, I’m worried about ED again, and she’s hearing her clock tick-tocking. Not the best recipe for hot sex I don’t think.
It was easier in college when we just got drunk and fooled around with people. Where did all these grown up responsibilities come from?!
I’m glad someone else brought up what I think is a real culprit: work. The endless time suck of being constantly blackberried and the commute. My husband and I sometimes end up sending emails at 10 pm to put out fires for the next day…especially in this recession, when you can be taking on the workload of three other people. All this contanst connectivity online impedes time to just chill out on the couch with your spouse.
SAHD, I’m confused. I chose to marry my husband because he’s a wonderful man, a great nurturing father and husband. I’m not using him, I love him, he loves me, we have a great family and a great life together, just not a great sex life. Why is valuing a man’s inner qualities over his sexual attractivness a problem?
Also, I never said he was a great breadwinner. In fact, he’s in public service. Again, I chose his inner permanent quality of being a wonderful person over unimportant things like looks and money.
My husband knows the kind of men I dated before him, he also knows that I chose him, not them. I cna’t see myself ever cheating, because as I said at the beginning, I love the life I have now more than the life I used to have.
I’d never leave my kids just becasue I’d love to sleep through the night, or finish a meal without cleaning up someone’s spilled milk. Why would I leave my husband just because I used to have better sex?
Grewup, my apologies for coming off as harsh, and my thanks for replying to me and giving me more information. To be honest and tip my cards a bit, I’m just a hopeless romantic who thinks that the fact that my wife is a wonderful woman, a great mother and a loving wife contributes to our good (if not all that frequent seven months after having a baby) sex life. I appreciate your valuing of his character over his looks and money – I just hope that you’re able to, to some extent, find him attractive because of how good he is with you in every other way.
My wife isn’t a supermodel, but she’s the most beautiful woman in the world to me.
I’m reminded of a Magnetic Fields lyric:
“Well you may not be beautiful
but its not for me to judge
I dont know if youre beautiful
because I love you too much.”
Again, my apologies if I offended you. I was very happy to read the love for your husband and the comfort of your marriage in your most recent post. I misunderstood and, as is often my way, got defensive on someone else’s behalf who didn’t need it in the first place.
I just got fed up of always being the one to suggest sex and my wife being the gatekeeper. I cook sometimes, almost always do the dishes, bathe the children, work, do the upkeep around the house, and so on. I completely understand that being around our children all day is draining but they are now all in school and our oldest is old enough to babysit her two younger brothers. I used to give love pats and squeezes when I would walk past my wife but she started giving me the “stop fondling me” argument so I gave up on that as well. I adore my wife, our three children, we have a nice lifestyle, but sex is once a year or so. Quite frankly I am no longer sure that I would even know how to warm her up to the subject.
my wife won’t even sit with me on the couch anymore, much less hug or kiss. I go to bed and in the morning she is asleep on the couch.We had our second son 10 month ago. I was able to “get some” a month ago but only on the condition I “hurry it up.” It has affected our relationship. Behind her back I refer to her as my roommate.
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My husband and I have been married for 14 years and we have four small children (ranging ages 9 to age 2). There are seasons in life, and I am coming to the end of my having little children phase. I am rediscovering myself and in the process realizing that it was really hard, having so many little kids, and it is easier now. It is easier, but still, marriage takes work. I want to encourage everyone to pay attention to their spouses. It is such a danger to just co-parent and not to be together. The sex thing isn’t just about sex. Men have lots of flaws, but women have flaws too (obviously, a generalism). Women tend to become bitter, snide, critical of their husbands, and of course withholding sex. I do this too, but I fight it. When I find myself complaining about my wonderful husband, I stop and try to talk to him. And, yes, it is important to have sex. There is no denying it. I cannot believe the numbers of my friends who just will not have sex if they don’t feel like it. That’s easy for women but devastating for a marriage and for men. If you love your spouse, if you want to maintain the joy in your marriage, you need to pay attention to the other person’s needs. Sometimes I do have sex when I don’t feel like it, but it is always good once I start (like exercising, hard to start, important to do, makes you feel good). It’s very hard not to be selfish and I fail at it many, many times as does every other author and poster here. Whether the lack of sex is a symptom or the actual problem, it doesn’t matter. All of us, me included, made vows to love our spouse and that means paying attention to our spouse and, yes, having sex with them.
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