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School Bans Pajama-Clad Parents From Dropping Kids Off

By Monica Bielanko |

Time to drop off little Benjamin!

My kids aren’t quite school age yet, but when they do you can damn well be certain I will drop them off while in my pajamas.

What’s it to ya?

I can wear whatever I want. If I want to wear a bikini it’s within my rights to do so.

Not so, says one school.

As Katherine Martin over at Baby Center reports, one school has a rampant parents in pajamas problem and has decreed that parents need to follow the same dress guidelines as students, including no pajamas.

Apparently, a member of the Baby Center community posted that their school has a guideline that roughly states “We respectfully request that parents who drop off their children and pick them up from school follow all of th dress code expectations that students are expected to follow including the rule stating that pajamas are not to be worn.”

Is it really that big of a deal? And how does a school go about enforcing the new policy? “Ma’am, did you sleep in those stretch pants last night? Because if so, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!” Seriously though, how do they even know what constitutes pajamas and it can’t be legal to force not students into a dress code… can it?

Have you ever heard of a no pajama policy? Do you think it makes sense or, like me, do you think it’s absolutely ridiculous?

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Monica Bielanko was raised on the wild frontier of late 1970's Utah. She is a recovering Mormon who married the guitar player of an unknown band. She's been married to her Babble Voices writing partner, Serge Bielanko, for the past nine years. Her personal blog, The Girl Who was in the top ten of last year's Top 50 list. Read bio and latest posts → Read Monica's latest posts →

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86 thoughts on “School Bans Pajama-Clad Parents From Dropping Kids Off

  1. autoclave says:

    Unenforceable. And it’s not like the pjs aren’t covering everything anyway, so (unless people are coming in lingerie?) it’s also a free speech issue. A rule like that would be promptly ignored by me and there wouldn’t be a damn thing they could do about it.

  2. Diera says:

    Well, they say “respectfully request”, not “we will kill you if you don’t”. I can see this from both sides. On the one hand, I’m sorry, the days when elementary school principals can tell me what to wear are over. On the other hand, I can see how it could be hard to try to get the kids to dress properly if they see adults in their jammies every day.

  3. goddess says:

    Um, NO-I do not need to follow their freaking dress codes! I do not drop off in jammies- and it would be funny- as my jammies are actually henleys and yoga pants from the clothing departments. Enforce THAT.

  4. Tiffani K says:

    As long as you are decently covered how the HECK they gonna tell you the parent what you can and can’t wear to drop kids off…I am sure thats such a huge cause of problems within the school…GTFOH excuse my language

  5. Kayt says:

    I think it’s one thing if you’re going inside the school to request you follow the dress code. Dropping the kids at the curb? Deal with my pjs!

  6. kiki says:

    I think I’m missing something. How hard is it to throw on a pair of pants and a shirt before you leave the house? Don’t get me wrong, I love me some PJ pants with cutsey crap all over them, but only in my own house. If you’re old enough to drop off your own kids at school, you’re old enough to put on actual clothing before you leave the house, even if it’s just yoga pants or jeans and an un-stained top. Actually, if you’re an adult with or without kids you should be getting dressed before leaving the house.
    All the “they can’t tell me what to do, I’m a grown-up, I’ll show them where they can stick their rules” type stuff in the comments is a little silly… The schools are just requesting what we should be doing anyway, which is dressing like adults.

  7. jeneria says:

    It’s a ridiculous rule, but it is not a freedom of speech issue. Freedom of speech protects citizens from retribution by the federal government for speaking out against the government. It does not protect citizens’ rights to wear pajamas out in public.

  8. Clio says:

    Is it a public school or a private school? I don’t think a public school could enforce that, but when you enroll your kids in a private school, you are agreeing to follow their rules…

  9. goddess says:

    KIKI- re-read- they want the parents to not only not wear PJs- but to follow the school dress code. In our district, that precludes sweat pants, yoga pants, spirit wear, hoodies, shorts that are shorter than finger tip level and tank tops. So it’s not silly to assert one’s rights in a free society when it comes to that at all.

  10. goddess says:

    Begs the question: does the school have the right to search you in your vehicle?

  11. kiki says:

    Goddess, I only mentioned the yoga pants for those who absolutely refuse to wear even jeans (sometimes they look like regular pants when they’re under a top) …with the exception of no tank tops for summer time, I think your district’s list is quite reasonable (and even I wear something over mine to go into the office or out to dinner). I see no reason other than laziness for why a grown woman or man can’t get dressed before she or he leaves the house.
    As for this being a free society, and one’s right to dress however he or she wants, just because you CAN do something doesn’t always mean you SHOULD.

  12. Lorraine says:

    It’s all about modelling proper behaviour for our children. If you can’t manage to go out in public without getting dressed, perhaps you have bigger problems to deal with.

  13. Erin says:

    Yeah… Do I think the school can actually enforce this rule? No. Do I think they have the right to lay down rules about what parents must wear? Perhaps not. However, I agree with what Lorraine meant to say, and with Kiki’s points. If you can’t manage to put on clothes before leaving the house, you’ve got bigger problems. I work FT and am not only dressed, but am put together in business attire when I leave in the morning. When my daughter was in DC, I had to do so while wrangling her in the normal toddler mom fashion, feeding her breakfast, getting her dressed, ready, and packed, and getting myself a bite too, if there was time. I’m not saying everyone needs to put on business attire, but clothing is doable. Pajamas? Really? Get yourselves together, moms.

    Before I became a mom I had more self-respect than to roam around in pj’s in public. I know as a brand new mom I had trouble getting dressed – I had trouble getting my teeth brushed for crying out loud. By the time your kids are school-aged, though, I think you’ve gotten past that hurdle.

  14. goddess says:

    @Kiki: Wearing shorts and tank on 85F day to pick up your kids is not OK in your book? Picking them up wearing a hoodie is “ban-worthy”? I personally don’t wear sweats, but what’s wrong with wearing them when you pick up your kids at school?

  15. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “I work FT and am not only dressed, but am put together in business attire when I leave in the morning.” Bully for you. I work for myself and make my own schedule. I often drop the kids off at school in my pajamas. It’s hectic getting four kids out the door (my 3 and the additional one we drive every day) and it just makes more sense for me to get myself together once they’re off (we have the added issue of only one bathroom.) The kids get out of the back slider on the van so no one is even looking at pajama-cald bottom half and I usually throw a hoodie on the top. What ridiculous thing to feel superior about. @@.

  16. kiki says:

    Goddess, my problem is that real clothing (jeans, a top and a sweater vs. sweats or PJs and a hoodie or an easy, casual dress vs. ribbed tank and short shorts) is no harder to put on, takes no more time, and can be just as comfy. What it does do is show that you have enough respect, both for yourself and where you are going, to bother to change out of what you slept in before leaving the house. What’s wrong with that?

  17. Anon, the original one says:

    I think it’s unfortunate that this even has to be mentioned. People are so sloppy these days. This would never even be an issue in the Mad Men days. This is casual gone too far.

  18. bwsf says:

    The person behind this has a stick up their butt. And too much time on their hands. People should be free to wear what they want to drop their children off at school. They are not students, they are parents, grown adults capable of making their own dress decisions. Dearest Anon, there are plenty of Mad Men scenes with Betty going out in her dressing gown.

  19. Megan says:

    Before my son started walking to school, I dropped him off in my PJ’s and then went home and got ready for work in peace. I stayed in my car, so the only people who would have even seen me were my neighbors in the 10 steps from my door to my car. Who cares. And banning comfy clothes like sweats is really ridiculous, there was a time in my first trimester and after I had my daughter that elastic waist pants were all that would fit. Pre-pregnancy was too small and maternity was still falling down. If I couldn’t wear that stuff, I would have been naked. I’m guessing my school prefers sweats.

  20. Erin says:

    Oh jeez… I don’t feel superior because I get dressed before I leave my house. I don’t look like I belong on the cover of any fashion magazines. I am simply commenting on the fact that I put clothes on in the morning and you could too. It’s not anything magical or impossibly difficult. That was my point – not that I feel superior, but that I get myself put together because I have to, and if other moms “had to” also, they would do it too. I was trying to say that if moms looked at putting clothes on in the morning as something they needed to do instead of an option, it would be a good thing. Come on… taking off your pajamas and putting on a non-pj top and bottom takes all of 30 seconds to a minute, even with kids hanging around. Nobody should feel superior because of it. It’s kind of a minimum standard in my book. Walking out the door in your pj’s to drop your kids off at school is ridiculolus. I’m glad my mom never did that because I would have been embarrassed to death.

    You say “what a weird thing to feel superior about,” and I say, “What a weird thing not to do.”

  21. Katy E says:

    This school is likely trying to foster a sense of pride in it’s students. While I don’t think the school should make the parents follow the dress code of the students, the “no pajamas” policy sounds like a good one to me. If I leave my house in pj’s then it’s because something caught fire. If I’m in pi’s past 8:30 am, I’m sick. If I see someone else in p.j.’s in public, I think either they must be sick, depressed… or maybe on drugs. It’s not always an accurate or fair assumption but I still find myself worrying about the pajama-clad-in-public set…unless I’m on a college campus.

  22. Katy E says:

    I totally see the “get ready in peace” point of view, now. I never thought of it that way but it’s a pretty clever idea.

  23. goddess says:

    @Kiki~ If it’s 85F- my shorts and a tank is what I am wearing, period. Don’t actually see shorts, tanks, sweats , hoodies or yoga pants as a conductor OF respect. Pajamas, you might sell me on- the rest. Nope.

  24. goddess says:

    I understand your POV on jammies- I’m the same- the only time I’m in them after 9- well that was when I had pneumonia last year. However, I could care less if the lady in front of me is wearing them in the privacy of her won vehicle that her child(ren)is/are exiting.
    And as far as wearing shorts, tanks,sweats, yoga pants, hoodies- tough. I like the casual, but clean, look. I work form home and I’m not dressing up in more formal attire to drive a car to the schools fo which my taxes pay..

  25. Erin says:

    There’s nothing wrong with wearing comfy clothes. I just think that we *should* draw the line at pajamas. No, I don’t the school can make put your clothes on in the morning, nor should they, really. I just think people should get dressed before they leave their houses. Don’t do it because someone’s trying to make you. Do it because you’re a grownup.

  26. Little Frogs says:

    If I were a parent in that school, I would calmly, appropriately dressed to speak with the principal.

    “This was foolish. You errode your authority when you try to put in place unenforcable rules and you can’t enforce this. Really, when a mom comes to pick up a sick kid and she’s in pjs, will you keep the child until she returns dressed appropriately or will you chew her out or just be glad she actually came and got the kid?”

  27. Manjari says:

    I think leaving the house in pajamas is ridiculous unless you’re just getting your mail. If you wear yoga pants to sleep, then I guess it wouldn’t matter if you kept them on. I just can’t understand anyone going out in the kind of pajamas pictured here. I would have been so embarrassed if my mom had shown up at my school like that. I don’t think the school should make parents get dressed before coming to pick up their kids, but I also think they shouldn’t HAVE to. Adults should know better.

  28. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “That was my point – not that I feel superior, but that I get myself put together because I have to, and if other moms “had to” also, they would do it too.” What incredible logic. Guess what? I don’t “have to” so I don’t. I’m sure I could think of a whole list of shit that I do and you don’t that actually has some value. The fact that you choose to focus on such a shallow thing makes you look jealous and petty. I also get to go to work in sweat pants. Booya!

  29. Katy E says:

    I don’t “Have to” either but I do because it makes me feel better. Just like when I’m sick, I feel better if I put clean sheets on the bed, take a shower or a long hot bath and put on fresh jammies. It changes my mind frame and makes me more productive. Leaving pjs on all day tends to drag me into a bit of a funk. I read “flylady” blog and that’s one of her tips… “Get dressed to laces”. It helps my mood.

  30. sarahh says:

    Linda, T.O.O., no one here has resorted to personal attacks but you. What value does calling someone shallow, jealous and petty because she thinks sweats and PJs are for wearing around the house, not leaving it, have? Really, getting that defensive just says you have no real argument.
    As for me, I’m not trying to convince anyone. The auther asked for opinions, I was sharing mine, and then replying to a reply. I think it’s lazy and slobby to stay in PJs or sweatpants all day, and even though I work from home, I make sure I get dressed every day unless I’m really not feeling well, and always if I leave the house. I think I owe myself that much respect. If you disagree, then it’s already been pointed out that it’s a free country, and you can wear what you like. Different strokes for different folks, and all that. Have a good night ladies. :)

  31. daria says:

    I’m with Monica. Ridiculous. I’ve never worn pajamas in public, but couldn’t care less if others do. Is this really a majorly pressing problem?

  32. goddess says:

    Did you all read this part: “has decreed that parents need to follow the same dress guidelines as students,”
    In our districts it’s a LOT more restrictive than pajamas!

  33. Andrea says:

    Poor working mommies. Jealous you can’t hang out in your jammies all day? Ha! Make different choices. I love me my jammies. And I homeschool, so I don’t have to take them off, well, ever! Yay jammies!

  34. Diana says:

    So you make your children get out of bed, take off there stinky pajamas wash there rearends, groom themselves then put on appropriate clean attire yet you cant do the same? Yes Lorraine said it best “It’s all about modelling proper behaviour for our children. If you can’t manage to go out in public without getting dressed, perhaps you have bigger problems to deal with” you’re not only lazy and stinky your hypocrits too . I think its sad and discusting that schools have to make rules to remind grown adults who are parents what is appropriate attire and what is not and to remind them to wash there behinds and groom themselves is even sadder . Children emulate if your in pjs or revealing clothes around children not your own yep you have deeper issues .

  35. Katy E says:

    Andrea. Wow. I don’t think ANYONE is jealous of you. Or anyone in your family, for that matter. Just because you don’t know how to behave in public (or dress appropriately for the time of day) doesn’t mean you should raise your kids to be anti-social as well. Please, for their own good, put your children in real school so they don’t have to deal with your own special brand of crazy.

  36. Katy E says:

    And I’m a stay-at-home mom who gets dressed every morning.

  37. Anon, the original one says:

    I sleep nude, so that wouldn’t fly.

  38. Erin says:

    Wow, I thought we were all adults here… I’m shallow because I get dressed before I leave the house… Mmkay. I think logic and civility have left the building for some of us. What an unnecessarily nasty turn for this thread to have taken. Hey, I still think it’s ridiculous to leave the house without getting dressed, but I’m certainly not out to force anyone to put clothes on. Live in your pajamas, whatever makes ya happy. I don’t get it.

  39. CW says:

    If you’re a SAHM, why are you driving your kids to school in the first place????? I can see the school dropoff as a necessary evil for employed moms, but obviously they’re not going to work in pajamas.

  40. goddess says:

    @CW: I am a work from home mother who drives our youngest son to school. How else do you propose he get there? They consider us too close for bus service and I consider us too far for him to walk. Especially when his back pack usually exceeds the weight limit set by medical experts.

  41. jboogie says:

    Has anyone thought that maybe they are banning pajamas because some idiot got out of her car and walked to the school door wearing a teddy? Or something see-through? Or the little shorts/panties that are great for sleep but not so much for bending over and kissing your kid goodbye? I highly doubt the problem was flannel pants. It’s just easier to ban ‘pajamas’ altogether then to put limits on it like “If lace is the primary fabric of your shirt, then you need to stay in your car.”

  42. goddess says:

    JBoogie- those examples would fall under public indecency and be enforceable by law enforcement, not school handbooks rules.

  43. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “If you’re a SAHM, why are you driving your kids to school in the first place?????” My kids are in a parent-choice program, so we don’t have bus service. Also, some of you just plain can’t read. No one said you were shallow for getting up and getting dressed. I called you shallow for having such a strong opinion about what other people are choosing to do. It’s weird and stupid. I walk dogs and go to the dog park for a living, so I’m going to be wearing sweats and hiking boots, not a dress and pumps.

  44. Bunnytwenty says:

    It goes to show: if you have more than one mom reading something on the internet, eventually someone will call someone else a bad mom. Grow up, kids – you’re supposed to be raising children, not acting like them.

  45. Erin says:

    Yes, get me on a technicality, but continue to be nasty. Ohhh-KAY, I’m shallow because I’m of the opinion that one should get dressed before leaving the house. Just as unnecessarily nasty as the first insult – - except that you added “stupid” this time. I won’t play the game, and won’t throw out any personal insults. I will continue to believe getting dressed is a prerequisite for leaving the house. If to you that makes me shallow, jealous, petty, stupid, or necessitate use of the word “Booya,” alrighty then.

  46. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “won’t throw out any personal insults” You’re hilarious.

  47. Katy E says:

    Linda, she didn’t.

  48. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    She (and several others) implied all sorts of nasty things, and none too subtly either. Just from this thread, I’ve learned that the simple act of throwing a hoodie on over your pajama pants in order to drop a child off at school means a person is: childish, a poor role model, lacking self respect, lazy, sloppy, lacking in “minimum standards”, embarrassing to the children, and likely lacking in hygiene. And you think it’s nasty that I think it’s shallow, petty, and stupid for someone else to care what people wear to drop their kids off at school? Got it and @@. I have some opinions of the nature of passive/aggression too, if you’d like me to share. ;)

  49. goddess says:

    @Diana: you said: “So you make your children get out of bed, take off there stinky pajamas wash there rearends, groom themselves then put on appropriate clean attire yet you cant do the same?”
    Yup- and I shower & wash my hair every single day. Then I put on freshly laundered YOGA pants some days, jeans others- T SHIRTS , and many times a hoodie. And in the warm weather, a tank top and shorts.
    You said: “children emulate if your in pjs or revealing clothes around children not your own yep you have deeper issues .”
    Not sure if you are referencing lingerie (which no one’s defending) or shorts and a tank top. But if you are referencing my summer attire and find those too revealing I’d suggest you buy blinders for yourself and your kids- cause you’ll see me dressed in those in the stores, the bank, the matinees, the post office, the library, the schools, the park, the doctor’s office, the mall, city hall, etc. as I run my daily errands when the temps hover over 75F. Deal with it.

  50. kiki says:

    “She (and several others) implied all sorts of nasty things, and none too subtly either. Just from this thread, I’ve learned that the simple act of throwing a hoodie on over your pajama pants in order to drop a child off at school means a person is: childish, a poor role model, lacking self respect, lazy, sloppy, lacking in “minimum standards”, embarrassing to the children, and likely lacking in hygiene.”
    …In a melodramatically exaggerated nutshell, yes – all of those things are implied to the majority of the world by leaving the house in PJs, sweats, dirty, ripped jeans and t-shirts with stains all over them. That’s just a fact, and to tell yourself otherwise is delusional – people cannot see what’s inside you from the outside. The difference is that none of us called you (or anyone) anything like stupid, weird, shallow or petty. We were asked for an opinion, we gave it. You’re the one who got defensive and nasty, and started attacking the people rather than giving an opinion on the actions of the people. If that’s how you disagree with others in real life, I feel sorry for you.
    Back to the actual issue in question… while I doubt that any of the school districts really expect parents to follow the letter of their dress codes when dropping off or picking up their children, it’s perfectly reasonable to expect that a grown man or woman can put on a pair of pants rather than leaving the house in PJs. If you really feel otherwise, I feel a little sorry for you, too.

  51. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    Well, no. But I’m done arguing with you. Women are brought up that it’s okay to say the most nasty things possible (which you clearly have no trouble with) in a completely underhanded way, so long as they don’t say it outright. It’s wrong and I don’t care how you try to defend it. If I find your view about something petty, shallow, and stupid, which I do, at least I’ll say it outright. FYI, when people “drop their kids at school”, they’re not even getting out of the car, so again your charming assessment is meaningless and stupid, not to mention mean as hell. Personally, I really believe it’s what’s on the inside of a person that counts anyway and that’s what I’m teaching my children. You can stick your fake ass pity where the sun don’t shine. :)

  52. Katy E says:

    Actually, the nastiest comments seem to have your name under them, Linda. I’m sorry you feel attacked by people expressing opinions that differ from yours but no one is trying to personally attack you. Have a good night.

  53. kiki says:

    Thank you for the laugh, Linda. I needed that today. :)

  54. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    Back at you, @Katy E. I seem to recall you throwing my dead daughter in my face when you didn’t like my opinion on something else, so I’ll just consider the source.

  55. Katy E says:

    Not exactly how it went down, but I’m not the least bit surprised at you twisting facts to suit your indignation. Pretty much your standard M.O.

  56. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    It’s there for anyone to see, so there’s no point lying about it. I’m sure you felt justified because you’re vile.

  57. jenjen says:

    I’m confused, why is it wrong for a SAHM to drop her kids off at school?

  58. TBerry says:

    They don’t say that you have to comb your hair and put on makeup, just put on some clothes. I can see why they feel it is necessary, I’ve seen parents in the dropoff line (taking my niece and nephew) with t-shirts so thin you can see their nipples. Asking all parents to put some cloths on (and if you where cloths to bed it shouldn’t be an issue, so why are you complaining) is a lot better way of dealing with the problem than pulling aside parents who may be wearing something a bit too revealing to school. Saying no one but the neighbors see you is not entirely true, kids and and teachers see you when you stop, even if you don’t get out of the car. Is it so hard to put on a bra (ladies) and throw on some pants and a shirt? If you don’t care that your hair is a mess and your teeth need brushing that is your prerogative but I don’t see why wearing appropriate clothing for going outside (unless your camping pjs are not appropriate) is such an awful request. PJs are meant to be worn to bed or lounge around the house in. It doesn’t sound like they are outlawing jogging pants or anything with an elastic waist. Most elementary school dress codes just consist of things like no swears or slurs on clothing and that the kids are decently covered.

  59. Erin says:

    Who knew it was so controversial to say that leaving the house in your pajamas is a sloppy thing to do… Haha! I always kinda thought it was obvious. Eh, I guess not. I certainly would never expect anyone to be viciously insulted for saying it. Wow! LOL!

  60. Megan says:

    @Tberry At a lot of schools, no one really does see you when you don’t get out of the car. Drop off at my son’s school is at the curb, which is quite far from the building where the kids are lining up and a teacher would never see me because it’s only aides that supervise the kids before school anyway. You can’t see the pajama pants I’m wearing unless you were to come up to my van and press your face against my window. That just doesn’t happen. If I need to go into the school for any reason, I do put clothes on and throw my hair in a ponytail. I rarely actually brush my hair, because if I did my curls would make my hair huge and unruly, so unless it’s wet, I just finger comb it. If you want to rag on the parents in PJs who get out of their cars and walk children to the line or actually go into the school fine, but leave those of us who stay in the car, and may also have younger children/infants in the car and choose to drop off in pajamas alone. When I was on maternity leave and my husband was working early, I couldn’t take a shower/get dressed until the baby was down for a nap. Now that she’s mobile, I can’t take a shower or get ready for the day unless she’s sleeping or my husband’s home to keep an eye on her. From about 4-6 months old when she could be contained in her saucer in the bathroom was the only time I could take a shower when she and I were alone and she was awake.

  61. Jacqueline says:

    Re: enforcement – the original poster was on a forum talking about her friend who was experiencing this ban, which was written up in the friend’s school handbook. So I’m not going to get all hot and bothered about something that might be blown out of proportion and is a “friend of a friend” sort of deal, but in any case, the original post said:

    “*edit to include that this rule is on a military post and thus enforceable (in theory) because the school can notify someone who can come down on the military member”

    Which, to me, is even more silly. The military parent is going to experience workplace reprecussions because of how they/their partner dressed to take a child to school? lol What.

  62. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “Who knew it was so controversial to say that leaving the house in your pajamas is a sloppy thing to do.” Yet you’re shocked and appalled to learn that people who judge other people by what they wear are considered shallow. Right.

  63. Anon, the original one says:

    Anyone who says they don’t judge people by how they look or what they wear is lying. People with babies who claim they can’t take showers need to be more resourceful, for one thing. For another, you don’t need to take a shower to put clothes on instead of rolling up in your PJs. This comment pretty much sums up REALITY: “It’s perfectly reasonable to expect that a grown man or woman can put on a pair of pants rather than leaving the house in PJs. If you really feel otherwise, I feel a little sorry for you, too.”

  64. Erin says:

    Yes, if what they’re wearing is bedclothes, and where they are is in public. Yup, pretty shocked.

  65. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “Yes, if what they’re wearing is bedclothes, and where they are is in public. Yup, pretty shocked.” LOL. I guess that’s to be expected given you live in a world where calling your view “shallow” = you being “viciously attacked.” I hope someday when your child goes to school with another child who has sensory issues and attends in pajama pants or who comes to school with a stain on her shirt, you’ll have managed to impart the very basic lesson that it’s what’s inside that counts. Good luck with that!

  66. Sanriobaby =^.^= says:

    Ummm yeah, when did the school start thinking they have the power to dictate what people wear when dropping off/picking up thier kids to and from school? It’s one thing to have a dress code for the kids who attend the school, but I’ll be damned if they are gonna start telling parents how they should dress! They don’t know the lives of these people or how crazy it may be for them. Call out parents for not being more involved, but not for how they dress.

  67. Erin says:

    Oh for pete’s sake… I didn’t feel viciously attacked when you called me shallow. I didn’t understand it and I thought it was mean and nasty, but I didn’t think that singular word reached the point of viciousness. I am referring to the consistent inflammatory language and tone in your posts. “Shallow..” “stupid…” “petty…” “jealous..” “vile…” They weren’t all directed toward me, but were present in your posts. Now you are comparing healthy adults with no special needs to children with sensory issues… Because I said parents should at least get dressed before leaving home, you have now made the jump that I would think the same applies to a child who wears pajama pants because of a special need? I am now the kind of person who would teach my child to victimize children with special needs? I would teach my daughter to be cruel to a child less fortunate than herself, whose parents can’t or won’t dress them in a non-stained shirt? Now you’ve gone off the deep end. Civility had already gone out the window, but now so has rationality. Now because I think grown men and women should put clothes on before leaving the house, I don’t understand that “it’s what’s inside that counts.” I have expressed distaste with the decision to leave the house in bedclothes. I think it’s a tacky thing to do. I don’t think that anyone who does it is morally faulty or distasteful in some way. I think they have done something tacky. That is all. I’d ask you to stop making it into something it isn’t, but I have a sneaking suspicion that such a request would be lost on you. I wouldn’t doubt if one of my friends has gone out in pj’s before. Hell, I may have done it once or twice too. If I did, it was a tacky thing for me to do. Not everything is a big giant moral issue. We’re talking pajamas. Take a deep breath, Linda. Sheesh.

  68. Katy E says:

    @ Erin, she has extremely poor reading comprehension, borderline personality disorder, a talent for manipulation and no regard for truth or facts. She’d be a fantastic campaign manager for the G.O.P. or a fact checker for Glenn Beck. Arguing with her is pointless, though. She’ll drag you down to her level then beat you with experience.

  69. Erin says:

    LOL, I guess you’re right! Maybe I should stop beating my head against the wall!

  70. Anon, the original one says:

    “They don’t know the lives of these people or how crazy it may be for them.” If your life is so “crazy” that you can’t be bothered to put on clothing to drop your kids off at school, then it’s probably too “crazy” anyway for the kids to be in that environment and so that would need to be worked on. Getting dressed in the morning is a pretty basic thing. Now I see why “the 99%” is crying about how much they need to gov to take care of them if the views represented here are illustrative of how helpless people are.

  71. Anon, the original one says:

    I’m also so over trotting out the “what about special needs kids” like it’s some ridiculous trump card that’s gonna make someone feel guilty about having an opinion about what’s “on the spectrum” (he he) of “normal”…quite frankly, I have heard way too many stories from teachers about the law’s insistence that “special needs” kids get access to the “least restrictive environment” to the detriment of the developmentally normal kids that I could give a rat’s ass about their “special needs”…like a 3rd grader shitting in class and throwing it around…”special needs”? boo hoo…

  72. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “@Erin, she has extremely poor reading comprehension, borderline personality disorder, a talent for manipulation and no regard for truth or facts. She’d be a fantastic campaign manager for the G.O.P. or a fact checker for Glenn Beck. Arguing with her is pointless, though. She’ll drag you down to her level then beat you with experience.” Yes. All this because I took issue with your completely stupid statements about circumcision not being painfulf for newborns. You’ve already proven that there’s no depths you won’t sink to in order to make your point. A person who would bring up the death of someone’s child in order to try and insult them doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously for anything, Oh, and if you had half a brain in your ugly, vile little head, you’d have noticed I’m a liberal. Now kindly stuff it.

  73. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “Maybe I should stop beating my head against the wall!” Naw. Go ahead and finish the job. Be careful what you’re supporting in your zeal to right though. Just because someone agrees with you this time, doesn’t make them a good person, especially when there’s plenty of public evidence to the contrary. Now go back to pretending your the innocent victim of circumstance, you poor dear…

  74. Lauri says:

    Wow! Such animosity over PJs! My goodness people, lighten up-don’t you have better things to worry about? I personally think it is ridiculous to try to enforce the no PJs thing. As long as you’re covered up & staying in the car-big whoop. I did it from time to time myself & neither the school nor other parents complained. And no, my child does not try to leave the house without getting dressed so I think I’m ok on that front. :)

  75. Erin says:

    I am not even sure what you’re talking about anymore. I have agreed with Katy on this thread because she has been rational and civil, and, well, I agree with her on this point. Apparently that means I have now professed to agree with everything she has ever said anywhere. I doubt anyone can say that as to anybody. I have no idea what she or you have said before on different points. That has nothing to do with my take on wearing bedclothes in public, or my opinion that your posts are weirdly hostile. The fact that I have refused to be successfully baited by you into letting my comments devolve into nasty personal potshots or taking them down unrelated rabbit trails is not an attempt on my part to appear as an “innocent victim of circumstance.”It is merely a result of the fact

  76. Erin says:

    Phone… …of the fact that I don’t feel a need to be so damn nasty.

  77. Katy E says:

    Linda,
    If by calling the loss of your precious, beautiful child “Tragic” (and it is. My heart breaks for you. I am so incredibly sorry that you lost your baby. NO mother should ever have to know that level of grief. Believe me.) but refusing to allow you to use that as an excuse to name-call and be the horrific cyber-bully that you are on babble means that I’m “vile” then so be it. If by sharing results of accurate scientific study as well as my own knowledge (and I NEVER said newborns couldn’t feel pain, that was YOUR wording, Karl Rove) about circumcision means that I’m less than a good person, then so the hell be it. I could care less if a family chooses to circumcise or not. It makes NO difference to me. I have absolutely no problem with differing opinions from my own. I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion. I DO have a problem with the far less than civil way you take cheap shots at anyone and your hostile, rude remarks. You cyber-bully and name call the minute that someone disagrees with you or calls you on your crap. I’m done with replying to you…

  78. Erin says:

    I think I am done as well! Madness!

  79. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    @Erin, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I found your posts very nasty, as well and the fact that you were consorting with vile KatyE, did not make me feel any less heatedly, particularly when you read exactly what had transpired on the other thread and still chose to act as if my use of the adjective “vile” was somehow unjust. My personal opinion all this is that you’ve given as much as you’ve got in return, but it doesn’t seem like acknowledgement of that reality is forthcoming, so I’ll just move on and you and KatyE can have a sweet conversation about how the death of by baby “made me like this.” In the meantime, I think that holding the opinion that women so catty that they give a flying f*ck what other women wear to drop their kids at the curb at school is shallow, petty, and mean, is a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold. It always was.

  80. Linda, t.o.o. says:

    “My heart breaks for you. I am so incredibly sorry that you lost your baby.” GFY!

  81. Erin says:

    As I said before, I didn’t read “what had transpired on the other thread” and don’t care. As I said, whatever it is has nothing to do with my thoughts on pajama pants. Arguing with random people on online comment threads is not a sport in which I regularly participate. I gave made a stray comment here and there, but have never gotten involved to this degree. It has certainly been an entree into a strange universe where one bares her bloody virtual claws again and again, and invites me to “finish the job” of bashing my own head in. It’s been real, whoever you are.

  82. lana savage says:

    that’s why god created pajama jeans

  83. CW says:

    @ JenJen- if you’re a SAHM and don’t need to do the school dropoff-as-you’re-dashing-out-the-door-to-the-office routine, then you need to get up off your lazy @$$ and WALK YOUR CHILD TO SCHOOL. You know, the way your mom and my mom did back when we were growing up.

    This is why we have such an obesity crisis in America- people drive places within walking distance…

  84. melanie says:

    so, i REALLY dont want to get involved in all this judging, but i just want to say…the school prolly only sent the letter to EVERYONE to prevent anyone from feeling singled out or discriminated against. the REAL problem was prolly only one or two people wearing clothes with holes or perhaps mildly transparent, so the school felt the need to re-inform everyone on the school’s dress code. and they were prolly only reffering to the parents who come inside to drop off their kids, but didnt want to see anyone mocking them by only coming to the outside door where they would still be seen by other kids. i wouldnt want my kids seeing someones body parts through or hanging out of their clothes. just saying…

  85. gloria says:

    I sure am glad that I dont live in the “great” USA lol

  86. Elizabeth Owens says:

    Wow. I think people need to really think about how we are slowly losing rights to do anything individual. When you let groups/government, etc. dictate how you look and what you say, and are all right with that, what will they dictate next? Slowly we are becoming a nation of uptight individuals who freak at any little thing that happens. Kids can’t play dodge ball because they might get hurt. Parents can’t drive to school in pjs because some idiot took it to the extreme. We can’t say anything remotely politically incorrect, like mailman, because someone might be insulted. Little Sue gave Billy a hug – no more touching! Goodness gracious! I think we need to start worrying more about the important things, like children in our own country starving, women being beaten, the crime rate, etc. We’re becoming a silly, petty nation too concerned with others instead of how we ourselves are acting. It’s embarrassing! *smh Sad

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